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[Sea Bass]

I will wait till after Abu Dhabi to requote my posts pre-brazil which ask why everyones so adamant its Alonsos title to walk away with, when the points gap is so small, and the red bull have the best car. Because quite frankly the fickleness of F1 fans took a new low after korea.

Wouldn't really call people fickle because of that. Red Bull have had the best car all seasons, yet look at the drivers standings - After 18 races, Alonso is ahead of them in the 2nd best car, whilst Hamilton is not far behind in the 3rd best car (and neither driver has been error free this season). That is proof enough that Red Bull having the fastest car will not necessarily translate into a 1-2 finsh for them at every race.

[FRAFPDD]

I will wait till after Abu Dhabi to requote my posts pre-brazil which ask why everyones so adamant its Alonsos title to walk away with, when the points gap is so small, and the red bull have the best car. Because quite frankly the fickleness of F1 fans took a new low after korea.

Wouldn't really call people fickle because of that. Red Bull have had the best car all seasons, yet look at the drivers standings - After 18 races, Alonso is ahead of them in the 2nd best car, whilst Hamilton is not far behind in the 3rd best car (and neither driver has been error free this season). That is proof enough that Red Bull having the fastest car will not necessarily translate into a 1-2 finsh for them at every race.

Ah but then you are also forgetting its not like red bull are mere mortal and alonso is bulletproof, what if his engine blows, what if he gets tangled up with hamilton at the start etc., Also. Vettel is the one that has the mechanical failures often, webber isnt. As long as both Red Bulls finish they will be 1-2 with webber top, alonso could have problems too. That said im not arrogant enough to defend my original post if Alonso does win lol. especiallyu if its cayuse of a meechnical red bull failure, and i will gladly eat humble pie, but im adamant it wont happen.

[Sea Bass]

I will wait till after Abu Dhabi to requote my posts pre-brazil which ask why everyones so adamant its Alonsos title to walk away with, when the points gap is so small, and the red bull have the best car. Because quite frankly the fickleness of F1 fans took a new low after korea.

Wouldn't really call people fickle because of that. Red Bull have had the best car all seasons, yet look at the drivers standings - After 18 races, Alonso is ahead of them in the 2nd best car, whilst Hamilton is not far behind in the 3rd best car (and neither driver has been error free this season). That is proof enough that Red Bull having the fastest car will not necessarily translate into a 1-2 finsh for them at every race.

Ah but then you are also forgetting its not like red bull are mere mortal and alonso is bulletproof, what if his engine blows, what if he gets tangled up with hamilton at the start etc., Also. Vettel is the one that has the mechanical failures often, webber isnt. As long as both Red Bulls finish they will be 1-2 with webber top, alonso could have problems too. That said im not arrogant enough to defend my original post if Alonso does win lol. especiallyu if its cayuse of a meechnical red bull failure, and i will gladly eat humble pie, but im adamant it wont happen.

Equally Webber could have an engine failure (i believe he will have to use a 2 race old engine aswell after the engine issues in Brazil) or he could get tangled up with Hamilton. If everything goes to "plan" then yes it will probably be a Red Bull 1 - 2, but things have rarely gone as expected this season.

[bud]

So Alonso who is expecting to finish 2nd won't happen?

[vaptin]

So Alonso who is expecting to finish 2nd won't happen?

Who knows,

Personally I think there's less chance of a reliability problem or driver fault from Alonso and his Ferrari, but the redbull have a faster car. That's what makes it so damn hard to call IMO. Are the chances of a redbull having a problem (and Alonso not) great enough to be the primary factor? Or is the primary factor still the quicker pace of the redbull cars?

[bud]

Surely Alonso has more of a chance of mech failure before the Redbulls, on his use of a high mileage engine alone!?

[vaptin]

Surely Alonso has more of a chance of mech failure before the Redbulls, on his use of a high mileage engine alone!?

No idea, that engine is still the biggest unknown factor, but redbull have had mechanical problems more recently than Alonso. Vettel must be in a similar position to Alonso engine wise?

Ferrari have focused on reliability since Korea,

[spankyham]

It's really a given that the RB6 rightfully deserve to go into the final race as favourite. It has proven to be fast everywhere. RB deserves the WCC title this year.

Now, putting my Tifosi-red glasses on do I think we have a chance - well, yes. What's more, I think there are some areas where we will have the upper-hand.
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Wouldnt it of been a better judged post if the red glasses were off? Although i do agree generally, those three straights wont make a difference much like korea, when red bull are so much quicker in corners. And same goes for the heavy braking zones, an advantage, but red bull has a bigger one.

I gave my opinion of RB in the 1st para - perhaps you missed it in your rush to brown-nose up again to bud?
I then gave the Tifosi reasons to be optimistic - if you've got a problem with a Ferrari fan supporting their team then stiff cheddar.

If I'm right about the F10 having a little edge in the braking dept, and Yas Marinas suiting this, then we will do well in qualifying. Not long to wait and see. Either way, I'll be supporting my team, if we don't win, then I'll be happy to congratulate RB, they've had a great car all season.

[Sea Bass]

Surely Alonso has more of a chance of mech failure before the Redbulls, on his use of a high mileage engine alone!?

Webber's engine for Abu Dhabi has done similar mileage to Alonso's. It shouldn't be a factor though - both Webber and Alonso's engines are doing a standard 3 race cycle.

[Robert12010]

i think its going to be a close call over the weekend, because there are parts of the track that suit RBR and ferrari,plus mclaren with two long straights

[racechick]

So Alonso who is expecting to finish 2nd won't happen?

Who knows,

Personally I think there's less chance of a reliability problem or driver fault from Alonso and his Ferrari, but the redbull have a faster car.

Why do you say that when he was so error strewn at the beginning of the season? Memories are so short!. He's on a roll now , but who says that's to last?
Id say the Red bull's and Alonso are pretty simuilar on driver errors. But agreed, Red Bull are worse on reliability.......for vettel.

[Sea Bass]

i think its going to be a close call over the weekend, because there are parts of the track that suit RBR and ferrari,plus mclaren with two long straights

Brazil and Korea also had 2 long straights but Mlaren were clearly third best in those races. Mclaren really don't gain that much on the straights anymore. All the top teams have a fully developed F-duct.

[MattMK45]

i think its going to be a close call over the weekend, because there are parts of the track that suit RBR and ferrari,plus mclaren with two long straights

Brazil and Korea also had 2 long straights but Mlaren were clearly third best in those races. Mclaren really don't gain that much on the straights anymore. All the top teams have a fully developed F-duct.

You're right. The Ferrari was actually the faster car on the straights all weekend.
I hope this feeds up a good race. The track itself is a standard tilkeodrome with hardly any undulation and hardly any overtaking spots. There is almost 0% chance of rain as well, I can't see this making a great finale if I'm honest.

[vaptin]

So Alonso who is expecting to finish 2nd won't happen?

Who knows,

Personally I think there's less chance of a reliability problem or driver fault from Alonso and his Ferrari, but the redbull have a faster car.

Why do you say that when he was so error strewn at the beginning of the season? Memories are so short!. He's on a roll now , but who says that's to last?
Id say the Red bull's and Alonso are pretty simuilar on driver errors. But agreed, Red Bull are worse on reliability.......for vettel.

But he's not been doing that recently, based on current form and considering his experience of fighting for championships before, I'd say Alonso's got the best mental state. Your quite right he made a load earlier in the season, but watching him in the last few races it seems like a very long time ago.

[Robert12010]

i think its going to be a close call over the weekend, because there are parts of the track that suit RBR and ferrari,plus mclaren with two long straights

Brazil and Korea also had 2 long straights but Mlaren were clearly third best in those races. Mclaren really don't gain that much on the straights anymore. All the top teams have a fully developed F-duct.

You're right. The Ferrari was actually the faster car on the straights all weekend.
I hope this feeds up a good race. The track itself is a standard tilkeodrome with hardly any undulation and hardly any overtaking spots. There is almost 0% chance of rain as well, I can't see this making a great finale if I'm honest.

that is true, thats why i mentioned its going to be close due to the fact that all the top teams have their F duct fully optimised now, but because of stupid FIA again, its outlawed from next season!