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By AKR
#69815
I understand your valid point but just a correction with the below......

2007:
best car: Mclaren (WITH FERRARI PARTS) Otherwise the Ferrari car itself if not the McLarrari.....
winning driver: Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari

2006:
best car: Ferrari NO RENAULT's CAR BETTER THAN FERRARI IN 2006.
winning Driver: Fernando Alonso Renault

2005:
best car: Mclaren
winning car: Fernando Alonso Renault

1994:
Best Car: Williams
winning Driver: Michael Schumacher
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By AKR
#69816
Last year over the year the McLaren and Ferrari were pretty equal.

The 94 win for Schumacher should have read Damon Hill. He cheated that win.

Not sure about the others, cant remember, you may be right.

There are lots of other things that make a great champion, winning in an inferior car is but one of them.


Well I don't agree as Damon Hill should of never been able to come close to Schumacher for the 1994 title. I remember it well. Schumacher came 2nd in a race but had received a black flag. His team Benetton order Schumacher to ignore the blavk flag as they felt it was wrong and thus would sort it out after the race. They got punished more for doing this and got a full disqualification after that race ans Schumacher got suspended from racing in 2 races after that. Because of this it allowed Damon Hill to win the 2 races after that plus his win in the race that Schumacher got disqualified. He gained 30 points in 3 races and Schumacher got nil. The black flag inncident and the ruling of the FIA afterwards was a total bollacks. Had it not been for this Damon Hill never would of even came close to Michael Schmacher for the title. So basically Schumacher cut Damon Hill off in Adelaide to win by a single point. Oh well justice was servered and the right man won as if it wasn't for the rubbish FIA ruling regarding Michael Schumacher's disqualification and 2 race ban, then it wouldn't of come down to 1 point.
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By bud
#69817
I understand your valid point but just a correction with the below......

2007:
best car: Mclaren (WITH FERRARI PARTS) Otherwise the Ferrari car itself if not the McLarrari.....
winning driver: Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari

2006:
best car: Ferrari NO RENAULT's CAR BETTER THAN FERRARI IN 2006.
winning Driver: Fernando Alonso Renault

2005:
best car: Mclaren
winning car: Fernando Alonso Renault

1994:
Best Car: Williams
winning Driver: Michael Schumacher

Kiki you know there was no Ferrari parts on the MP4-22 but i can categorically say there is McLaren parts on the F2008 :thumbup:
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By AKR
#69818
and AKR i guarantee that Schumacher were in this years BMW Sauber he would not be able to win the title! So to use that as a comparison to his Benetton of 94 is not accurate if you ask me!


You guarantee it do you? And what makes you so sure then? What I can tell you had Schumacher had the BMW-Sauber he would at least of won 3 or 4 races on his own (Never mind the championship). Lewis Hamilton on the other hand would of only won at the misfortune of others. I guess just like Robert Kubica did this year in Canada, but I don't really want to discuss Robert Kubica because I like the guy. :D
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By bud
#69819
and AKR i guarantee that Schumacher were in this years BMW Sauber he would not be able to win the title! So to use that as a comparison to his Benetton of 94 is not accurate if you ask me!


You guarantee it do you? And what makes you so sure then? What I can tell you had Schumacher had the BMW-Sauber he would at least of won 3 or 4 races on his own (Never mind the championship). Lewis Hamilton on the other hand would of only won at the misfortune of others. I guess just like Robert Kubica did this year in Canada, but I don't really want to discuss Robert Kubica because I like the guy. :D


Schumi is not a super hero with magical powers! he couldnt overdrive his car in 2005 and he couldnt do that in this season either! his only win in 05 came when 2/3rds of the grid pulled out of the race!
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By AKR
#69820
Also you mention Silver Arrows alot you do realise that that was just the colour of the country in GP racing in the 30's British cars were British Racing Green, Italian Cars - Red, French Blue.

However the only reason Mclaren choose to have silver cars is because its very effective to show the sponsor's hence why they have the luminous "rocket red" because they are sponsor paid and driven.

Regardless there's little point in you keep going on about this AKR because honestly its not going to happen.


I am well aware of what the country colours are or were or meant. And clearly Mercedes and Germany have a strong effect on McLaren as the car is silver which traditionily is the German racing colour. If they were more British then why not make McLaren Green? You are so certain that it wont happen, but I am certain Mercedes will need to make it happen, especially if their rival BMW-Sauber makes successes. It is either make it happen or sell of 40% share of McLaren and make their own team. But if that happens and no Mercedes backed McLaren, McLaren will be crap for a long time. Mercedes is the future. Face reality. Search your feelings and you will know this is true. :yes::thumbup::D
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By AKR
#69821
Kiki you know there was no Ferrari parts on the MP4-22 but i can categorically say there is McLaren parts on the F2008 :thumbup:


You cannot be serious?
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By bud
#69822
Kiki you know there was no Ferrari parts on the MP4-22 but i can categorically say there is McLaren parts on the F2008 :thumbup:


You cannot be serious?


yeah i am.... the F2008 ECU :hehe:

see its easy to categorically say that huh :thumbup:
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By AKR
#69823
Kiki you know there was no Ferrari parts on the MP4-22 but i can categorically say there is McLaren parts on the F2008 :thumbup:


You cannot be serious?


yeah i am.... the F2008 ECU :hehe:

see its easy to categorically say that huh :thumbup:


:rofl: You are a very funny man Bud. Welcome back. I missed you heaps. :yes::thumbup::wink:

Anyway it is lights out for me. Lahko noč. :cloud9:
#69842
Also you mention Silver Arrows alot you do realise that that was just the colour of the country in GP racing in the 30's British cars were British Racing Green, Italian Cars - Red, French Blue.

However the only reason Mclaren choose to have silver cars is because its very effective to show the sponsor's hence why they have the luminous "rocket red" because they are sponsor paid and driven.

Regardless there's little point in you keep going on about this AKR because honestly its not going to happen.


I am well aware of what the country colours are or were or meant. And clearly Mercedes and Germany have a strong effect on McLaren as the car is silver which traditionily is the German racing colour. If they were more British then why not make McLaren Green? You are so certain that it wont happen, but I am certain Mercedes will need to make it happen, especially if their rival BMW-Sauber makes successes. It is either make it happen or sell of 40% share of McLaren and make their own team. But if that happens and no Mercedes backed McLaren, McLaren will be crap for a long time. Mercedes is the future. Face reality. Search your feelings and you will know this is true. :yes::thumbup::D

As longbow says, the reason the cars are painted silver is so it shows up the sponsors' logos well and looks great as well. There is no Mercedes connexion at all here. Why do you think McLaren still had their red and white livery from the end of 1994 to the end of 1996? Because Marlboro were still sponsoring McLaren, before they sold out to Ferrari.

McLaren are not a British team per se, and I really don't care less. I support McLaren because the team is McLaren. Lotus and Williams etc. started as British teams. McLaren, however, was started by the legend who is Bruce McLaren and who was from New Zealand. The team was staffed by a large number of Kiwis, but had an international feel to it as well, and this was increased slightly when Marlboro became involved. When Ron Dennis took over the team, McLaren's international feel increased. The factory is in Britain, so a lot of British people naturally work at the team now, but there is still a strong contingent of Kiwis and other people at McLaren. The McLaren Group used to be called McLaren International. To be honest, I think that summed up the team very well.

I don't believe Mercedes is the future. In fact, I think you are letting your blind hatred for McLaren cloud your judgement. Ferrari are owned by FIAT, but are still called Ferrari. Daimler own Mercedes-Benz and it's still called Mercedes-Benz. Mercedes-Benz own AMG and its name survives. So there is no reason to suggest that Mercedes will remove the McLaren name. Regardless of whether you like it or not, McLaren is a brilliant brand. The brand is synonymous with Formula One and ingenuity, which means it would be a great badge to have on their cars, looking at things from purely a marketing point of view.
#69865
Also you mention Silver Arrows alot you do realise that that was just the colour of the country in GP racing in the 30's British cars were British Racing Green, Italian Cars - Red, French Blue.

However the only reason Mclaren choose to have silver cars is because its very effective to show the sponsor's hence why they have the luminous "rocket red" because they are sponsor paid and driven.

Regardless there's little point in you keep going on about this AKR because honestly its not going to happen.


I am well aware of what the country colours are or were or meant. And clearly Mercedes and Germany have a strong effect on McLaren as the car is silver which traditionily is the German racing colour. If they were more British then why not make McLaren Green? You are so certain that it wont happen, but I am certain Mercedes will need to make it happen, especially if their rival BMW-Sauber makes successes. It is either make it happen or sell of 40% share of McLaren and make their own team. But if that happens and no Mercedes backed McLaren, McLaren will be crap for a long time. Mercedes is the future. Face reality. Search your feelings and you will know this is true. :yes::thumbup::D

As longbow says, the reason the cars are painted silver is so it shows up the sponsors' logos well and looks great as well. There is no Mercedes connexion at all here. Why do you think McLaren still had their red and white livery from the end of 1994 to the end of 1996? Because Marlboro were still sponsoring McLaren, before they sold out to Ferrari.


Silberpfeile
#69868
Also you mention Silver Arrows alot you do realise that that was just the colour of the country in GP racing in the 30's British cars were British Racing Green, Italian Cars - Red, French Blue.

However the only reason Mclaren choose to have silver cars is because its very effective to show the sponsor's hence why they have the luminous "rocket red" because they are sponsor paid and driven.

Regardless there's little point in you keep going on about this AKR because honestly its not going to happen.


I am well aware of what the country colours are or were or meant. And clearly Mercedes and Germany have a strong effect on McLaren as the car is silver which traditionily is the German racing colour. If they were more British then why not make McLaren Green? You are so certain that it wont happen, but I am certain Mercedes will need to make it happen, especially if their rival BMW-Sauber makes successes. It is either make it happen or sell of 40% share of McLaren and make their own team. But if that happens and no Mercedes backed McLaren, McLaren will be crap for a long time. Mercedes is the future. Face reality. Search your feelings and you will know this is true. :yes::thumbup::D

As longbow says, the reason the cars are painted silver is so it shows up the sponsors' logos well and looks great as well. There is no Mercedes connexion at all here. Why do you think McLaren still had their red and white livery from the end of 1994 to the end of 1996? Because Marlboro were still sponsoring McLaren, before they sold out to Ferrari.


Silberpfeile

An interesting article on the history of the Silver Arrows indeed. It proves what longbow and I have been saying, so thanks for pointing it out.
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By Gaz
#69880
Also you mention Silver Arrows alot you do realise that that was just the colour of the country in GP racing in the 30's British cars were British Racing Green, Italian Cars - Red, French Blue.

However the only reason Mclaren choose to have silver cars is because its very effective to show the sponsor's hence why they have the luminous "rocket red" because they are sponsor paid and driven.

Regardless there's little point in you keep going on about this AKR because honestly its not going to happen.


I am well aware of what the country colours are or were or meant. And clearly Mercedes and Germany have a strong effect on McLaren as the car is silver which traditionily is the German racing colour. If they were more British then why not make McLaren Green? You are so certain that it wont happen, but I am certain Mercedes will need to make it happen, especially if their rival BMW-Sauber makes successes. It is either make it happen or sell of 40% share of McLaren and make their own team. But if that happens and no Mercedes backed McLaren, McLaren will be crap for a long time. Mercedes is the future. Face reality. Search your feelings and you will know this is true. :yes::thumbup::D



No its not Mercedes it was West who brought it in as it says in that wikipida article i expect because its very eye-catching from a sponsor point of view.

Orginaly Mclaren's were Orange this went out i belive with the sponsorship of marlboro red and white = same colour as the cig packet yes? Anyway the reason the Mclaren isn't Green is because which other British F1 team was green? Lotus! And when lotus F1 was around the Mclaren's were Orange.

2ndly its a 30% share in Mclaren which is only a big investment not ownership and when Ron decides to leave i expect he will gradually sell his shares to Whitmarsh.

Engine Suppliers come and go and although the Mclaren-Mercades partnership is one of the strongest in F1 and its very unlikely it will end the only way you will see a Team Called Mercedes and just Mercedes in F1 is when they start their own team.

Infact there is proberly more chance of FIAT deciding they want to increase their brand presence and bin off Ferrari for Scuderia FIAT
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