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[Hanwombat]

Nico showed just how much of a nice guy he is by obeying his team orders to stay behind Lewis. I for one was screaming at the TV telling him to go past him. But Nico is a cool guy and he did deserve third.

Vettel on the other hand is a childish little twat who needs to have a collar and lead.

[andrew]

Ain't payback a b!tch! Webber's gone against team orders in the past.

[mnmracer]

Nico showed just how much of a nice guy he is by obeying his team orders to stay behind Lewis. I for one was screaming at the TV telling him to go past him. But Nico is a cool guy and he did deserve third.

Vettel on the other hand is a childish little twat who needs to have a collar and lead.

So you are okay, even screaming, with one driver ignoring teamorders.
And the other driver, who actually had a score to settle (now 3 teamorders ignored by Webber, to 1 by Vettel) is a little twat?

[Martin]

Its not that Nico 'is a cool guy' and neither is Vettel a twat, its about team orders. Vettel disobeyed team orders and Nico didn't. All posts here ignore the fact that this 'problem' was caused by team orders. As I said before, there should be no team orders allowed. If there were none then Webber may have challenged more, or, more to the point, he may not have let Vettel so close in the first place. Nico would certainly have challenged Lewis and, as Lewis was 'wounded' by being in low fuel mode, he almost certainly would have been passed by Nico. So, team orders have distorted the true result - yes as Ferrari did last time and have done many times before, even when it was against the rules. As fans we should demand proper racing between all drivers at all times. Obviously there are genuine events that require teams to instruct a driver to slow down, such as overheating brakes, low fuel etc etc and these 'holes' are what have been used by Ferrari et al in the past to break the rules when team orders were not allowed.
If all team employees had a clause in their contract requiring them not to become involved in any form of team orders, it would be much more difficult for team management to force all employees to break the rules and risk being reported to the FIA. Team orders work for the teams but not for the fans, and we are the customers!.

[Hammer278]

The Flav speaks:

Mark Webber, Sebastian Vettel must part in 2014 - Flavio Briatore

Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel's Red Bull partnership cannot continue into 2014, reckons ex-Formula 1 team boss Flavio Briatore, who has been part of Webber's management throughout his F1 career.

Vettel's current contract runs to the end of 2014, while Webber's deal is for this year only at present.

Briatore believes Vettel's decision to pass Webber for Malaysian Grand Prix victory despite Red Bull ordering them to hold station with the Australian ahead destroys the relationship between the team-mates and could cost them the championship.

"It was already very formal beforehand between the two Red Bull drivers, that was very clear last year.

"Now Vettel says he will help Mark, but Mark doesn't need any help. He should have won the race, and it's possible that Vettel will win every other race.

"I don't think this relationship can be fixed. They are two professionals, they will win races and so on, but it's unthinkable that Mark may help Vettel in the future and I don't think Vettel will help Mark.

"So we'll have two enemies inside a single team, and this will hopefully advantage Ferrari."

Mark Hughes' GP report: Red Bull animosity spills over

Asked if he now expected Webber or Vettel to leave Red Bull after 2013, Briatore replied: "That's for sure. Last year, already, there were problems.

"Their car is very competitive so drivers want to stay there, but [Sepang] was proof that no one is in charge at Red Bull.

"Vettel is the boss there. You can't have a team manager also doing the driving."

Briatore accused Red Bull team boss Christian Horner of weakness, alleging that the power balance between Horner, technical director Adrian Newey, Red Bull advisor Helmut Marko and company chief Dietrich Mateschitz is flawed.

"If there was a manager with balls, he would have had them switch positions again," said Briatore.

"The problem is that there are two people with different ideas on the pit wall, with Helmut behind them doing the talking with Mateschitz, so you understand they are all scared."

He also criticised the fact that Newey was on the podium rather than Horner.

"Normally the team principal goes on the podium at the first race win of the season," said Briatore.

"Christian didn't even have the strength to get on the podium - because they're terrified with a driver in charge instead of the team manager. You'd first go yourself if you win the championship or the first race, and after that you'd send race engineers or your technical director.

"The fact that Christian didn't go on the podium after scoring a one-two says a lot about his weakness compared to the others."

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[1Lemon]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21939443

Webber's dad joins in... Where did that come from....

[andrew]

Somehow I doubt Vettel will car very much what Webbers old man thinks!

[f1boy]

Like others have said, imo, it was the team orders that were at fault.

Let them all race and if they take each other out, so what. It's round two of the season ffs.
We have plenty of points to play for yet.

Forget turning engines down and forget keeping in line until at least Singapore, if one team member is well clear of the other or still has a chance of taking the championship, with the other out of it.

Mark should have ran at 100% and so should Seb. Lewis and Nico should have done the same (although Lewis was underfueled so Nico should really have taken that place.)

[mnmracer]

Like others have said, imo, it was the team orders that were at fault.

Let them all race and if they take each other out, so what. It's round two of the season ffs.
We have plenty of points to play for yet.

Forget turning engines down and forget keeping in line until at least Singapore, if one team member is well clear of the other or still has a chance of taking the championship, with the other out of it.

Mark should have ran at 100% and so should Seb. Lewis and Nico should have done the same (although Lewis was underfueled so Nico should really have taken that place.)

You know, the sad thing with these team orders, more than with any other, is that they disadvantaged two drivers because of their tactic. Both Vettel (fresh set of option tires) and Rosberg (more fuel) were in a better racing condition at the end of the race, because they tactically gave some a little earlier on. If they had known what was coming, Rosberg and Vettel would have pushed for all they were worth earlier on, possibly taking the places they were now denied by their teams, and then cruise to the finish like it was their team mate's own choice. Now both Red Bull and Mercedes knowingly punished two drivers for having a different tactic.

[Jabberwocky]

How can people say team orders should not exist!!! What if the mechanics don't put fuel in the car because they do not want to follow orders. Not bleed the brakes, only hand tighten the bolts I am sure Seb would complain then.

Seb is an employee, a very well paid employee. He should do as his employer requests.

[Ichabod]

How can people say team orders should not exist!!! What if the mechanics don't put fuel in the car because they do not want to follow orders. Not bleed the brakes, only hand tighten the bolts I am sure Seb would complain then.

Seb is an employee, a very well paid employee. He should do as his employer requests.

in your job what would happen if you disobeyed a direct order ?

[NocturnalTendencies]

RB has apparently "addressed the situation" but didn't mention any punishment(s) should it happen again which is entirely plausible.

If RB really wanted to lay down the law, it's obvious they won't suspend a driver for a race as they have the constructors championship to contend with but they could levy lets say... a 1-million Euro fine against a driver who pulls another stunt like this again. That might remedy the situation, maybe.

[geetface9]

Ain't payback a b!tch! Webber's gone against team orders in the past.

This is quite true, which is why I ain't mad at vettel. It irritated me, sure, but I thought back to silverstone 2011 when webber almost rear ended vettel on the old straight due to him ignoring team orders. Neither of 'em listen, which adds to how epic this season already is to me

[myownalias]

I'm biased being a Webber fan but overall I am not too angry with Vettel. I think this signals gloves off now; let's just race and to hell with team orders, that's what I want to see; I want to see drivers at the limit, going wheel to wheel, not this watered down version of F1, with fuel saving, tyre conservation and DRS overtakes!

[LewEngBridewell]

Team orders will always be part of what is essentially a team sport. They always have been, and they always will be. Quite often, they've been employed at the start of the season too.

This is nothing new, as depressing as it is...