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[SingaporeSling]

It was a combination of both not just one person to blame. Kubica closed the door too early, but if you look at the replay Vettel tried to force Kubica wide as well. Its 50/50, both very rookies mistakes and I dont think Vettel deserves to be fined cuz its just a racing incident. The grid spot penalty he deserved for driving a damaged car around was fair though...

Small correction: the drop of 10 grid places was given for causing a collision and forcing a driver off the track.

The team got another penalty a 50000 fine because of staying too long on the track after the accident.

Or at least that's what the fia report says. I find it a bit harsh, it still looked like Kubica forced the situation, and could have avoided it. But so it goes. Better luck next time, though Vettel obviously cannot fight for the win in Sepang.

[Jamie]

Well, I do think Kubica was too aggressive, but Kubica had the race line thought the corner, there was nothing for Vettel to do but slow down, and let Kubica go.

I'm so pissed too, because I stayed up all night to watch this race, and then I see Vettel take out Kubica. Vettel admitted the mistake, and glad to see him get a penalty.

But hey, that's the way racing is. Next week Malaysia.

Aggressive isn’t the word my son!!!! He totally wiped out Vettel and they both have to pay for the actions now. I think Vettel is the only Ferrari outsider I like...even though he was taking control of the ol' horse At T.R

No. It was clearly Vettel's fault. He said, officials said, and I said.

As i said.....Vettel is too nice!

Vettel did deserve the 10-place slot loss, due to his carelessness for others and endangering them, but on the other hand Kubica acted like an inpatient little kid, which caused others to lose out. I find your opinions are aimed at certain people thru connections to a certain team? Whether it’s due to the fact of you are worried about next race? I m not sure. But with Kubica and Barichello's race I am disgusted with the way they acted. Some drivers came out on top thru peoples Selfish acts. But in this case I hope next race karma acts against those who wrecked certain peoples day. But you are very one sided which is sad but also annoying. I see it from your point of view. But you must see it from another side that is a reason for a forum. Maybe next race Rubbens won't be so lucky. So don’t count your chickens before you have them all in the pen because just remember it's only the first Race!

[f1ea]

Vettel did no deserve that 10 place penalty! he was strugling and Kubica made an overly bold move. Kubica would have had many more oportunities. Of course, Vettel should have been more conservative and allow the fastest man through, but you cant blame him for defending his position. Its not like he blocked him or rammed him...

I was dissapointed at that move. Those two had made the best races and to see it end in such a silly manner was not the best... specially with both of them running w/out the diffuser / KERS

[Jamie]

Totally agree my friend, the move was ridiculous and caused allot of people to pop a vein in there head. I only wish it could of ended on better terms rather than being 3 laps way from the finish line? Kubica being the so-called Champion to be should have seen it in the drivers view and should of 'Yield' as Brundle said. Upsetting but that’s the selfishness and Un-Professionalism of Kubica in this stint of the 2009 season. Lets hope he gets his head on and does not pull that face again, as it was hi own fault?

[EwanM]

Schumacher questions Vettel penalty
Stewards ruled that he caused the crash
30/03/09 10:06

Michael Schumacher in Australia questioned the stewards' decision to penalise his countryman Sebastian Vettel.

Vettel, driving for Red Bull, apologised to his team and BMW's Robert Kubica for the crash near the end of the 2009 season opener.

The 21-year-old was also quoted by media as calling himself "an idiot", and it is believed he was equally as frank during the stewards' inquiry.

However, not everyone agreed that Vettel was entirely to blame, as he tried to defend his second place to the charging Kubica.

"He (Vettel) was on the inside - he couldn't make his car dissolve into thin air," Ferrari advisor and seven time world champion Schumacher said at Albert Park, according to Germany's Bild newspaper.



1982 world champion Keke Rosberg remarked that Vettel may have been penalised because he is an overly "honest chap".

Stewards ruled that he caused the crash and ordered Vettel to start ten places lower than his qualifying position in Malaysia this weekend.

"I think it's hard but we just have to accept it," Sebastian said.

Source GMM
© CAPSIS International

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090330100621.shtml

[Jamie]

I totally agree with Mr.Schumacher that did not seem right in my books at all I watched the re-run at 11 last night and Vettel broke to early and Kubica should have gave him space but Vettel turned into the next corner -Left- while Kubica turned into the corner -right- which Kubica should have gave him turning space.

[emma]

Why does everyone think that Vettel said it was his fault. All he did was apologize to his pit crew. It's not even close to the same thing.

That's what I was wondering. And nowhere in the interviews I've seen does he say it was his fault, he just says his side of the story...

I'm still confused about what the penalty was for. If it was for driving damaged, fair enough. If it was for the incident, then than ****ing sucks ballsl, because there was no way it was all his fault.

[Denthúl]

Why does everyone think that Vettel said it was his fault. All he did was apologize to his pit crew. It's not even close to the same thing.

That's what I was wondering. And nowhere in the interviews I've seen does he say it was his fault, he just says his side of the story...

I'm still confused about what the penalty was for. If it was for driving damaged, fair enough. If it was for the incident, then than ****ing sucks ballsl, because there was no way it was all his fault.

I originally thought it was for driving with damage, but it was actually for the incident. I can see why the stewards may have gone for that decision - Kubica was faster and was slightly ahead going in to the corner, whilst Vettel braked much earlier than normal because his tyres were shot. However, both of them were driving far too aggressively for it to work out. I agree with Brundle on it being 50-50 in the end.

[EwanM]

Kubica should have known to give SV more room, he would have knew he was racing a car on bad tyres, squeezing him was a silly idea.

[Rivelution]

It was a combination of both not just one person to blame. Kubica closed the door too early, but if you look at the replay Vettel tried to force Kubica wide as well. Its 50/50, both very rookies mistakes and I dont think Vettel deserves to be fined cuz its just a racing incident. The grid spot penalty he deserved for driving a damaged car around was fair though...

Small correction: the drop of 10 grid places was given for causing a collision and forcing a driver off the track.

The team got another penalty a 50000 fine because of staying too long on the track after the accident.

Or at least that's what the fia report says. I find it a bit harsh, it still looked like Kubica forced the situation, and could have avoided it. But so it goes. Better luck next time, though Vettel obviously cannot fight for the win in Sepang.

Thanks for that, it cleared up my confusion. I dont think Vettel deserved the penalty for crashing into Kubica though, I mean they both were at fault so its pretty stupid to penalize one person... or actually I think its pretty stupid to penalize anyone.

[SingaporeSling]

I watched the replay of whole GP yesterday, and still have difficulties justifying that the grid penalty was fair. They were on a same lap, so why would Vettel give away too easily, no matter if he's slower. I think the Schumi and Rosberg Sr. conclusions are not too wrong, he was a bit too nice and race control think it is easier to penalise someone who says I'm sorry, as sorry is almost same as guilty.

If you think what would have happened had the driver in front been any of the recent WDC:

Schumi, he would have been going from left to right and doing whatever he could to keep Kubica (or any other driver ) behind him. If ended crashing no way would he have said sorry or admitted it was his fault.

Lewis, more or less the same, might give up a bit easier if really no chance of keeping Kubica behind. But with Lewis too, it would have ended into a crash in that corner, and he would not admit it was his fault.

Alonso, again no much difference, would not give way, would fight for the position, and unlikely to admit it was his fault.

Kimi, wouldn't give up immediatelly, but if no chance would let Kubica overtake. Would comment that his car and tyres were not working. Afterwords he would be blamed for not being motivated because he gave up his position without defending it.

So whatever you do you're never right.

[kerc]

The way I see it is very simple: Kubica cut that pass too close, unnecessarily. It was unusual for him, he never seems desperate.

[DinoTheGreek]

Silly Rob .

[EwanM]

Silly Rob .

Rab!

[bmwpower]

I say it's Vettel's fault, he braked early then at the last minute decided to defend from the inside by getting on the gas without taking into account his severe lack of grip...

Kubica, IMO, was ahead and didn't know that Vettel would stick it up the inside at the last moment. He was committed, unlike Vettel

Rookie mistake on the part of Vettel, but it happens

What are you smoking? Kubica tried to pass on the outside and failed to pull ahead more than a quarter of a car length. There was no last moment. Vettel was right next to him the entire time. Kubica made the conscious decision to try and force Vettel off of the tarmac.

For all of you out there that keep saying that Kubica had the correct line: I would like to know what racing school you went to that taught you to apex a turn 2 meters outside the curb. Seriously, you fanboys' defense of Kubica is just making you look like a bunch of idiots.

Oh great, signed up less then a week and calling people fanboys already Go back and play it again on your DVR. Kubica was almost 1/2 on Vettel into the corner, the simple fact is this, Kubica, had a choice, go out further on the corner and pick up marbles on his tires or keep his line. He was counting on Vettel to concide to the corner because he did beat him to it, on the contrary to what everyone is saying about Vettel having no room, he barely rode the curb so there's more room to either move over or slow down knowing you don't have the proper tires to brake. Its a racing incident with 60/40. BTW, stick around a bit longer and get to know people here first before calling people names, think wisely