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By Versa-Tech
#99187
Well, I do think Kubica was too aggressive, but Kubica had the race line thought the corner, there was nothing for Vettel to do but slow down, and let Kubica go.

I'm so pissed too, because I stayed up all night to watch this race, and then I see Vettel take out Kubica. Vettel admitted the mistake, and glad to see him get a penalty.

But hey, that's the way racing is. Next week Malaysia.


Aggressive isn’t the word my son!!!! He totally wiped out Vettel and they both have to pay for the actions now. I think Vettel is the only Ferrari outsider I like...even though he was taking control of the ol' horse At T.R ;)

No. It was clearly Vettel's fault. He said, officials said, and I said. :wink:
Why does everyone think that Vettel said it was his fault. All he did was apologize to his pit crew. It's not even close to the same thing.
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By Denthúl
#99188
Well, I do think Kubica was too aggressive, but Kubica had the race line thought the corner, there was nothing for Vettel to do but slow down, and let Kubica go.

I'm so pissed too, because I stayed up all night to watch this race, and then I see Vettel take out Kubica. Vettel admitted the mistake, and glad to see him get a penalty.

But hey, that's the way racing is. Next week Malaysia.


Aggressive isn’t the word my son!!!! He totally wiped out Vettel and they both have to pay for the actions now. I think Vettel is the only Ferrari outsider I like...even though he was taking control of the ol' horse At T.R ;)

No. It was clearly Vettel's fault. He said, officials said, and I said. :wink:
Why does everyone think that Vettel said it was his fault. All he did was apologize to his pit crew. It's not even close to the same thing.


And to Kubica. And even to Theissen.
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By bmwpower
#99189
Well, I do think Kubica was too aggressive, but Kubica had the race line thought the corner, there was nothing for Vettel to do but slow down, and let Kubica go.

I'm so pissed too, because I stayed up all night to watch this race, and then I see Vettel take out Kubica. Vettel admitted the mistake, and glad to see him get a penalty.

But hey, that's the way racing is. Next week Malaysia.
WHAT?! You can't slow down at the Apex of a turn! If he had, he would have spun into Kubica and been at fault. The only possible way that Vettel could have avoided Kubica's dive, is if he would have dove over the curb which was impossible because his suspension was already at full load. Kubica, sitting on the outside, had complete control of the situation. He used that control to ruin Vettel's season opener.


What ruined Vettel's season opener is that the car is not good on soft compound tires, not KB.
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By Versa-Tech
#99191
Well, I do think Kubica was too aggressive, but Kubica had the race line thought the corner, there was nothing for Vettel to do but slow down, and let Kubica go.

I'm so pissed too, because I stayed up all night to watch this race, and then I see Vettel take out Kubica. Vettel admitted the mistake, and glad to see him get a penalty.

But hey, that's the way racing is. Next week Malaysia.
WHAT?! You can't slow down at the Apex of a turn! If he had, he would have spun into Kubica and been at fault. The only possible way that Vettel could have avoided Kubica's dive, is if he would have dove over the curb which was impossible because his suspension was already at full load. Kubica, sitting on the outside, had complete control of the situation. He used that control to ruin Vettel's season opener.


What ruined Vettel's season opener is that the car is not good on soft compound tires, not KB.
Right, it was the soft compound tires that ripped his front wing off! I can't believe I missed that. KB? I didn't know Vettel smoked weed.
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By bmwpower
#99215
There isn't a point really reviewing it in terms of blame. It was a 50/50 racing accident. It was exciting and excellent drama.

That's exactly what makes F1 so good, particularly when it happens towards the front. The FIA may not like it (except when they get neurotic enough to hand out penalties afterwards) but we the fans do. Vettel and Kubica have taken it on the chin very well and not pointed fingers at each other.


The only man to try to stir anything about it was Dr Mario and his Facial hair!

Maybe Dr Mario should take a "chill pill". :hehe:

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Dr Mario is the one who should be penalized... "no coaching your driver for next 5 races!" telling your driver to be too aggressive when a little patience will do lost them the race... he was looking past Vettel to go for the win... should've coached him to show patience and get past Vettel first!


I guess the win is not that important in a season opener, 2nd or 3rd is more important :rolleyes: . Its the season opener, you put all your cards on the table and if you think you have a good hand, then play it you don't second guess yourself. Ferrari and McLaren proved they couldn't handle the challenge, BMW was coming on strong and out of the top three teams last year, they were the best one in the position to challenge Brawn and Red Bull, it was a gamble and a win win situation for them. If KB passed Red Bull and challenge Brawn in the closing stage, it sends message to all the teams and the people back at the factory that BMW has the fight in them, if he didn't which he didn't, the same message is still there.
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By bmwpower
#99220
Well, I do think Kubica was too aggressive, but Kubica had the race line thought the corner, there was nothing for Vettel to do but slow down, and let Kubica go.

I'm so pissed too, because I stayed up all night to watch this race, and then I see Vettel take out Kubica. Vettel admitted the mistake, and glad to see him get a penalty.

But hey, that's the way racing is. Next week Malaysia.
WHAT?! You can't slow down at the Apex of a turn! If he had, he would have spun into Kubica and been at fault. The only possible way that Vettel could have avoided Kubica's dive, is if he would have dove over the curb which was impossible because his suspension was already at full load. Kubica, sitting on the outside, had complete control of the situation. He used that control to ruin Vettel's season opener.


What ruined Vettel's season opener is that the car is not good on soft compound tires, not KB.
Right, it was the soft compound tires that ripped his front wing off! I can't believe I missed that. KB? I didn't know Vettel smoked weed.


mmm, Vettel was making grounds on Button, both switched to softer compound, both became slower. You right, it was Kubica that made the tire choice for Red Bull to got with the soft compound, he actually designed the chassis so poorly that its not good on soft compound. The way the race ended for all teams was due to more of tire choices in the end, Williams for example, great in the early stages, not good when switched over to the softer compound, the result in Austalia was more of teams finding out how good/bad their rear is with tire choices in a racing situation, some slipped and some improved. Vettel's situation was in the making during winter testing and it had to do with more of the team's decision on their tire choices then KB.
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By prozac26
#99223
What a moron! He could have waited another lap and take SV on a straight - SV's supersoft tires were already shot. :banghead::banghead:
And then the fashion RK did try to overtake - almost like DC in his best or worst days. And not leaving any room for SV whatsoever :banghead::banghead:
:censored::censored:

Absolutely GUTTED :banghead::crying:

I would also like to add BARRICHELLO you :censored: that first corner collision was stupid, unnecessary and your fault.


II agree with these statements, why couldn't RK just wait say one corner I'm sure vettl would of had no chance and now it's all SV's fault for defending his position why should he just let RK just pass him? is criminal for him to get a 10 place drop(shouldn't of driven on with a wreck car though) for getting one car out his fault or not. Then Barrichello not to get anything for ruining 3 drivers races.


I totally agree. Gosh the big nosed bastar-d!!! He totally wrecked Vettel’s race!! Un-fair! I am on the Vettel bandwagon!! He is the next Schumi u watch! While Kubica took 2nd away from him! Vettel would say that to be nice, he’s too nice!! Do a Schumi and punch the punk one!! :thumbdown:

Shumi?

7 time world champion sounds good. :D
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By prozac26
#99229
Well, I do think Kubica was too aggressive, but Kubica had the race line thought the corner, there was nothing for Vettel to do but slow down, and let Kubica go.

I'm so pissed too, because I stayed up all night to watch this race, and then I see Vettel take out Kubica. Vettel admitted the mistake, and glad to see him get a penalty.

But hey, that's the way racing is. Next week Malaysia.
WHAT?! You can't slow down at the Apex of a turn! If he had, he would have spun into Kubica and been at fault. The only possible way that Vettel could have avoided Kubica's dive, is if he would have dove over the curb which was impossible because his suspension was already at full load. Kubica, sitting on the outside, had complete control of the situation. He used that control to ruin Vettel's season opener.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQdiGI7b2dY

At 1:01 minute mark, you see the overhead replay.

Kubica had the racing line, and was doing nothing wrong. Vettel tried taking the inside, and hit Kubica. Should have Kubica give Vettel some room? Yes. But he had the racing line, and Vettel should have not forced the issue.

But hey, it's easy to look at the replay and point fingers.
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By darwin dali
#99231
Well, I do think Kubica was too aggressive, but Kubica had the race line thought the corner, there was nothing for Vettel to do but slow down, and let Kubica go.

I'm so pissed too, because I stayed up all night to watch this race, and then I see Vettel take out Kubica. Vettel admitted the mistake, and glad to see him get a penalty.

But hey, that's the way racing is. Next week Malaysia.
WHAT?! You can't slow down at the Apex of a turn! If he had, he would have spun into Kubica and been at fault. The only possible way that Vettel could have avoided Kubica's dive, is if he would have dove over the curb which was impossible because his suspension was already at full load. Kubica, sitting on the outside, had complete control of the situation. He used that control to ruin Vettel's season opener.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQdiGI7b2dY

At 1:01 minute mark, you see the overhead replay.

Kubica had the racing line, and was doing nothing wrong. Vettel tried taking the inside, and hit Kubica. Should have Kubica give Vettel some room? Yes. But he had the racing line, and Vettel should have not forced the issue.

But hey, it's easy to look at the replay and point fingers.


It was the fact that RK was impatient and unnecessarily tried it at that corner that was stupid. And the way he did it - not leaving enough room, but rather bullying through without regard that SV might have breaking issues with degraded tires: moron! :banghead:
By Dardas
#99244
Kubica outbreak Vettel, his move was agressive and in fairness he shoul have waited IMO, but he was whithin his right, he had racing line.
Vettel push his breakes first, then realize that and was trying to recover his position, perfectly understanable but you can not let someone outbreak yourself and then counting that he will leave you some room into corner. He knew states of his tyres, once Kubica was in front it was all over,still he was trying.
He should let him go.

Himself and his boss admitted mistake, he apologise, his boss told that he learnt a lesson today, end of story.

It was racing, I'm pissed off RK have nothimg after really good race - good start regardless of RB who blocked him, nice defensive line with ferrari (we saw few times today that KERS can be helpfull, however Kimi could not pass him), great strategy - and at the end nothing out of it, but that's it.

Perhaps next time Kubica will wait, maybe Vettel will try defend himself better before the corner so he will be first into it.

The positive is that it seems there will be more teams fightings for wins this year :)
By meddler
#99246
I say it's Vettel's fault, he braked early then at the last minute decided to defend from the inside by getting on the gas without taking into account his severe lack of grip...

Kubica, IMO, was ahead and didn't know that Vettel would stick it up the inside at the last moment. He was committed, unlike Vettel

Rookie mistake on the part of Vettel, but it happens
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By Versa-Tech
#99254
I say it's Vettel's fault, he braked early then at the last minute decided to defend from the inside by getting on the gas without taking into account his severe lack of grip...

Kubica, IMO, was ahead and didn't know that Vettel would stick it up the inside at the last moment. He was committed, unlike Vettel

Rookie mistake on the part of Vettel, but it happens
What are you smoking? Kubica tried to pass on the outside and failed to pull ahead more than a quarter of a car length. There was no last moment. Vettel was right next to him the entire time. Kubica made the conscious decision to try and force Vettel off of the tarmac.

For all of you out there that keep saying that Kubica had the correct line: I would like to know what racing school you went to that taught you to apex a turn 2 meters outside the curb. Seriously, you fanboys' defense of Kubica is just making you look like a bunch of idiots.
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By Rivelution
#99255
I say it's Vettel's fault, he braked early then at the last minute decided to defend from the inside by getting on the gas without taking into account his severe lack of grip...

Kubica, IMO, was ahead and didn't know that Vettel would stick it up the inside at the last moment. He was committed, unlike Vettel

Rookie mistake on the part of Vettel, but it happens
What are you smoking? Kubica tried to pass on the outside and failed to pull ahead more than a quarter of a car length. There was no last moment. Vettel was right next to him the entire time. Kubica made the conscious decision to try and force Vettel off of the tarmac.

For all of you out there that keep saying that Kubica had the correct line: I would like to know what racing school you went to that taught you to apex a turn 2 meters outside the curb. Seriously, you fanboys' defense of Kubica is just making you look like a bunch of idiots.


It was a combination of both not just one person to blame. Kubica closed the door too early, but if you look at the replay Vettel tried to force Kubica wide as well. Its 50/50, both very rookies mistakes and I dont think Vettel deserves to be fined cuz its just a racing incident. The grid spot penalty he deserved for driving a damaged car around was fair though...
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By Jabberwocky
#99257
IMHO, RK should of given him more room, however SV I do not think could of made the corner as his entry speed was too high. As Trickle Cole said "rubbing is racing" in other words. it was a racing incident.
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By Versa-Tech
#99259
I say it's Vettel's fault, he braked early then at the last minute decided to defend from the inside by getting on the gas without taking into account his severe lack of grip...

Kubica, IMO, was ahead and didn't know that Vettel would stick it up the inside at the last moment. He was committed, unlike Vettel

Rookie mistake on the part of Vettel, but it happens
What are you smoking? Kubica tried to pass on the outside and failed to pull ahead more than a quarter of a car length. There was no last moment. Vettel was right next to him the entire time. Kubica made the conscious decision to try and force Vettel off of the tarmac.

For all of you out there that keep saying that Kubica had the correct line: I would like to know what racing school you went to that taught you to apex a turn 2 meters outside the curb. Seriously, you fanboys' defense of Kubica is just making you look like a bunch of idiots.


It was a combination of both not just one person to blame. Kubica closed the door too early, but if you look at the replay Vettel tried to force Kubica wide as well. Its 50/50, both very rookies mistakes and I dont think Vettel deserves to be fined cuz its just a racing incident. The grid spot penalty he deserved for driving a damaged car around was fair though...
I'll agree that both drivers made mistakes, but in the moment at which they actually entered the turn, Vettel was already too deep (his major mistake) and could only maintain traction by sweeping wide after the apex. What's amazing is that Kubica saw this and chose not to avoid the inevitable collision. As far as the safety penalty goes, Vettel was just acting immature and deserved the penalty. It did make for excellent showmanship though :hehe:
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