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[Hanwombat]

In another stewards' decision, Sebastian Vettel will be demoted ten places down the Malaysian Grand Prix grid in one week, and pay a $50,000 fine to the FIA.

The German was penalised not for his late collision with Robert Kubica, but for failing to pull his damaged Red Bull to the side of the track when requested.

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thats fair enough

So he should! Stated in the rules that he should of pulled over, the car was badly damaged.

[bud]

They want guys trying to fight and pass and go for wins yet they continously penalize them if it goes wrong..... Good work F1

[bmwpower]

We need to stop starting threads on the same subject.
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[Jensonb]

Then again we are talking about two cars (Vettel/Kubica) losing its downforce, no grips, traveling into a turn at a high speed, both veered off into the grass then the wall. Isn't the car designed to "shatter" into pieces on an impact??

Not as violently as that, especially given the relatively low speed - yes, a fast accident in the widest context, but by no means even remotely "fast" for an F1 car.

[Jamie]

This is yet again proving that I should put my app in to join the FIA. Because it is a retards job I must say. Rubbens was at fault with allot of the things during the race. Vettel though? mind my language but are you F-U-C-K-I-N-G kidding me? This is becoming more of a joke book than a real 2009 season.....

[racechick]

They want guys trying to fight and pass and go for wins yet they continously penalize them if it goes wrong..... Good work F1

If theyve done that thats a crap crap decision! Sure its not just on vettel for driving damaged? And cud Kubica's be because the wheel flew off?? Those i can understand but for racing and getting it wrong, that happens, the guys need incentive to try!

[Denthúl]

They want guys trying to fight and pass and go for wins yet they continously penalize them if it goes wrong..... Good work F1

All of the reports I'm seeing are only stating a grid penalty for Vettel, so it could just be that we've all misunderstood. We'll have to wait for the stewards' decisions to be published.

[irons_4_ever]

Rybens was hit from behind by kovie witch nocked him into Webber i think it was.

The incident with Kimmi he should have been penalised for i think

[Jensonb]

They want guys trying to fight and pass and go for wins yet they continously penalize them if it goes wrong..... Good work F1

If theyve done that thats a crap crap decision! Sure its not just on vettel for driving damaged? And cud Kubica's be because the wheel flew off?? Those i can understand but for racing and getting it wrong, that happens, the guys need incentive to try!

As I understand it, only Vettel has been penalised and it's for the circulating illegally.

-Checks-

Yep

[bmwpower]

Then again we are talking about two cars (Vettel/Kubica) losing its downforce, no grips, traveling into a turn at a high speed, both veered off into the grass then the wall. Isn't the car designed to "shatter" into pieces on an impact??

Not as violently as that, especially given the relatively low speed - yes, a fast accident in the widest context, but by no means even remotely "fast" for an F1 car.

Here's the rest of the quote to answer your questions.


"When a race car hit a wall at a high speed, 99% of these drivers will walk away, when a street car hit a wall at a high speed, 99% of these drivers are dead. The reason why on an impact, the point of impact, the inertia energy will travel through the body of the car which is mostly either metal or carbon and the energy of the impact will settle on the softest part of the car, its usually the head and body. But on an F1 or Indy car, with its pointy nose, think of it as a pyramid, the top is the nose and the bottom is the rear. When the top is in a impact, the pieces are designed to break away from the car so it can carry the impact energy away from the center of the pyramid and to avoid the inside of the pyramid."

Is this the first time anyone ever seen an F1 car shatter when it hits a WALL??

[Jamie]

I didn't watch the full race. But all i know is Rubbens wacked Kimi - i think -
i was to busy filling in my app to join Ferrari for 2011

[Jensonb]

This is yet again proving that I should put my app in to join the FIA. Because it is a retards job I must say. Rubbens was at fault with allot of the things during the race. Vettel though? mind my language but are you F-U-C-K-I-N-G kidding me? This is becoming more of a joke book than a real 2009 season.....

Vettel was penalised for circulating illegally, not for crashing into Kubica.

[Hanwombat]

I dont think they should be penalised for trying to win the race but Vettel deserves the penalty for continuing to drive the damaged car

[Denthúl]

Then again we are talking about two cars (Vettel/Kubica) losing its downforce, no grips, traveling into a turn at a high speed, both veered off into the grass then the wall. Isn't the car designed to "shatter" into pieces on an impact??

Not as violently as that, especially given the relatively low speed - yes, a fast accident in the widest context, but by no means even remotely "fast" for an F1 car.

Here's the rest of the quote to answer your questions.


"When a race car hit a wall at a high speed, 99% of these drivers will walk away, when a street car hit a wall at a high speed, 99% of these drivers are dead. The reason why on an impact, the point of impact, the inertia energy will travel through the body of the car which is mostly either metal or carbon and the energy of the impact will settle on the softest part of the car, its usually the head and body. But on an F1 or Indy car, with its pointy nose, think of it as a pyramid, the top is the nose and the bottom is the rear. When the top is in a impact, the pieces are designed to break away from the car so it can carry the impact energy away from the center of the pyramid and to avoid the inside of the pyramid."

Is this the first time anyone ever seen an F1 car shatter when it hits a WALL??

No. But I saw a lot of cars hit the walls last year and all their wheels remained attached by a tether. This incident definitely deserves to be looked in to by the FIA technical delegates. Just like the Red Bull at Malaysia last year, it was a shocking display of potential fragility.

[racechick]

We need to stop starting threads on the same subject.
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