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[Gert]

I still don't see how KERS will get you past enough non Kers cars to win the race/get on the podium.

Especially as during the race "the" diffusers will not only be way faster but also will provide a load of dirty air to make overtaking really hard work.

So expect that whoever qualifies at the front & gets round the 1st lap without crashing to be on the podium & those at the back may bunch up at the start (as they've all got KERS) but then fall over each other. Those that survive that will then be lapped well before the end of the race & the winners will have held their postion since lap 1.

's going to be very dull after the 1st lap - so no change there then.

[Frosty]

I still don't see how KERS will get you past enough non Kers cars to win the race/get on the podium.

Especially as during the race "the" diffusers will not only be way faster but also will provide a load of dirty air to make overtaking really hard work.

So expect that whoever qualifies at the front & gets round the 1st lap without crashing to be on the podium & those at the back may bunch up at the start (as they've all got KERS) but then fall over each other. Those that survive that will then be lapped well before the end of the race & the winners will have held their postion since lap 1.

's going to be very dull after the 1st lap - so no change there then.

I think you may be getting confused here it is only a coincidence that the cars with the 2 deck diffusers are also the cars who are not running KERS it is the 2 deck diffusers that are giving them the pace if they had KERS they would be no slower but would be harder to overtake and a lot faster off the line. I don't think the amount of dirty air produced by a 2 deck diffuser and a single decker would be much different I believe it is wings, winglets vanes that cause most dirty air.

[Jabberwocky]

that start can not all be down to KERS. I though the limiting factor was traction

[Frosty]

that start can not all be down to KERS. I though the limiting factor was traction

It is for the first second or two as the car starts to move but after that they are at full throttle and the limiting factor is pure BHP IMO. Another thing to consider is that electric motors can have a huge amount of torque.

[FerrariFan63]

But what if you only have to get past 3 or 4 non KERS drivers to get to the front imagine if BGP and Williams are P 1,2,3,4 then say Ferrari P 5, 6 with KERS. Remember that video of the Ferrari vs McLaren practise start I think the Ferrari used KERS and the McLaren didn't that's how much of a difference I think it could make.

How much do the drivers have to do to charge the KERS device. Will we see "antics" on the warmup lap from those wtih KERS?

[McLaren Fan]

I wonder if there's any truth in the rumour that McLaren have some new difussers on their way from the UK right now.

Would be a damn good way to get the things banned...

[Frosty]

How much do the drivers have to do to charge the KERS device. Will we see "antics" on the warmup lap from those wtih KERS?

Well I believe Antony Davidson said that some KERS cars could charge either in the pits or on the out lap via the engine so by the time they get to the start of the race they will be charged.

You might want to edit your last post to the code below because I didn't say that
"Frosty wrote:I believe that is true but when you need to get past 10 - 15 other drivers in order to be in the points it's perhaps asking rather a lot of the system." it was Gert who made that coment

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[quote="Frosty"][quote="Gert"]

I believe that is true but when you need to get past 10 - 15 other drivers in order to be in the points it's perhaps asking rather a lot of the system.[/quote]
But what if you only have to get past 3 or 4 non KERS drivers to get to the front imagine if BGP and Williams are P 1,2,3,4 then say Ferrari P 5, 6 with KERS. Remember that video of the Ferrari vs McLaren practise start I think the Ferrari used KERS and the McLaren didn't that's how much of a difference I think it could make.[/quote]How much do the drivers have to do to charge the KERS device. Will we see "antics" on the warmup lap from those wtih KERS?

[7UpJordan]

I think even right now back at the factories other teams will be frantically working on new diffusers similar to the ones used by Williams/Brawn/Toyota. I'm surprised though that Adrian Newey didn't dream up a similar diffuser already, afterall he is pretty much an aerodynamic guru.

[Denthúl]

I think even right now back at the factories other teams will be frantically working on new diffusers similar to the ones used by Williams/Brawn/Toyota. I'm surprised though that Adrian Newey didn't dream up a similar diffuser already, afterall he is pretty much an aerodynamic guru.

He got out-thought by (apparently) an aerodynamic designer from Super Aguri.

[Frosty]

I think even right now back at the factories other teams will be frantically working on new diffusers similar to the ones used by Williams/Brawn/Toyota. I'm surprised though that Adrian Newey didn't dream up a similar diffuser already, afterall he is pretty much an aerodynamic guru.

The thing is according to Red Bull he did but when they asked the FIA about it I think it was about 12 months ago they said he couldn't

[7UpJordan]

I think even right now back at the factories other teams will be frantically working on new diffusers similar to the ones used by Williams/Brawn/Toyota. I'm surprised though that Adrian Newey didn't dream up a similar diffuser already, afterall he is pretty much an aerodynamic guru.

The thing is according to Red Bull he did but when they asked the FIA about it I think it was about 12 months ago they said he couldn't

Maybe Newey's original design he showed them was too radical.

[megasyxx]

i have no idea.....about 10,000 euros? (just a wild guess)

just kidding of course!!!

[darwin dali]

How much do the drivers have to do to charge the KERS device. Will we see "antics" on the warmup lap from those wtih KERS?

Well I believe Antony Davidson said that some KERS cars could charge either in the pits or on the out lap via the engine so by the time they get to the start of the race they will be charged.

According to Steve Matchett, the teams are allowed to fully charge the KERS prior to the start of the race. However, it takes a long time to do so, about 2 hrs, so they'll begin pretty early to get it done, which in turn could cause some problems with the Parc Fermé stipulations.

[MclarenFanBoy]

Hamilton could do with some extra pace. Hopefully Mclaren will go for a diffuser, if they can fix there pace issue

[8-ball]

This diffuser is threatening to destroy the recent unity developed through FOTA and make sure Max and Bernie stay in complete control. I bet anything that the appeal that the teams lodge is thrown out and they spend the rest of the year trying to develop a diffuser that matches Brawn, Williams etc.

Some will be able but others won't be able to add it to their car this causing disunity and a less effective FOTA. Call me paranoid but that is what this sport has done to me!