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[texasmr2]

If they are banned after being deemed 'within the rules' by the FIA it sickens me. Thats all I have to say about that until further news yet since MM is still in office I'm not surprised.

[Rivelution]

Great.

First the stupid points system, and now this?

FIA

[FerrariFan63]

Seems to me like they've just created a grey area, which will allow them grounds to ban Brawn's parts if they dominate - thus artificially levelling the playing field. Lame. Unsurprising though, this always happens (Renault's J-Damper, McLaren's double brake system, the banning of active suspension etc to stop Williams' early 90's domination).

Funny how you don't mention the banning of Ferrari's floor last season.

[bud]

Seems to me like they've just created a grey area, which will allow them grounds to ban Brawn's parts if they dominate - thus artificially levelling the playing field. Lame. Unsurprising though, this always happens (Renault's J-Damper, McLaren's double brake system, the banning of active suspension etc to stop Williams' early 90's domination).

Funny how you don't mention the banning of Ferrari's floor last season.

thats because it wasnt last season

[FerrariFan63]

thats because it wasnt last season

Oh yes, season before last then.

My point still stands though.

[bud]

thats because it wasnt last season

Oh yes, season before last then.

My point still stands though.

indeed i would also put in moveable wings.

[Gilles 27]

The mumblings around at the time when Ferrari's flexible floor was banned was that Ferrari couldn't figure out how McLaren (who protested it) knew the loading on the component. BMW also ran a flexible floor in Melbourne 2007 but McLaren didn't protest against BMW specifically as they didn't know what BMW was running. Kinda makes you wonder how they knew about the Ferrari...

[Gaz]

The mumblings around at the time when Ferrari's flexible floor was banned was that Ferrari couldn't figure out how McLaren (who protested it) knew the loading on the component. BMW also ran a flexible floor in Melbourne 2007 but McLaren didn't protest against BMW specifically as they didn't know what BMW was running. Kinda makes you wonder how they knew about the Ferrari...

ooookay lets not get into that.

[Gilles 27]

figure, while we're nitpicking

[scotty]

Seems to me like they've just created a grey area, which will allow them grounds to ban Brawn's parts if they dominate - thus artificially levelling the playing field. Lame. Unsurprising though, this always happens (Renault's J-Damper, McLaren's double brake system, the banning of active suspension etc to stop Williams' early 90's domination).

Funny how you don't mention the banning of Ferrari's floor last season.

Erm, because it didn't have anywhere near as much of an impact as the things i mentioned did, and because i couldn't be arsed typing out a list of every single little thing that has been banned. You are implying i'm one of those anti-Ferrari McLarenites though, that is funny.

[FerrariFan63]

Erm, because it didn't have anywhere near as much of an impact as the things i mentioned did, and because i couldn't be arsed typing out a list of every single little thing that has been banned. You are implying i'm one of those anti-Ferrari McLarenites though, that is funny.

Eh? Where do I say you are a McLarenite?

But I still think it's an odd omission. It's more recent than the other examples. And I can't see how you can claim that it didn't have the impact that the other bans did. I certainly remember quite a bit of fuss in all those cases.

[scotty]

Erm, because it didn't have anywhere near as much of an impact as the things i mentioned did, and because i couldn't be arsed typing out a list of every single little thing that has been banned. You are implying i'm one of those anti-Ferrari McLarenites though, that is funny.

Eh? Where do I say you are a McLarenite?

But I still think it's an odd omission. It's more recent than the other examples. And I can't see how you can claim that it didn't have the impact that the other bans did. I certainly remember quite a bit of fuss in all those cases.

i said it was implied, "Funny how you don't mention...." comes off as pretty cynical and sarcastic. I can make that claim based on much those devices proved to be worth to those teams over a period of time, and the 'coincidence' of the teams behind them catching right up after they were banned.

I don't even know why i'm bothering to have this argument, it was a throwaway comment that you appear to have completely taken the wrong way. How odd.

[racechick]

The mumblings around at the time when Ferrari's flexible floor was banned was that Ferrari couldn't figure out how McLaren (who protested it) knew the loading on the component. BMW also ran a flexible floor in Melbourne 2007 but McLaren didn't protest against BMW specifically as they didn't know what BMW was running. Kinda makes you wonder how they knew about the Ferrari...

Stepney told them. He told Ferrari first that they were acting illegally and when they ignored him he told Coughlan.

[FerrariFan63]

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i said it was implied, "Funny how you don't mention...." comes off as pretty cynical and sarcastic. I can make that claim based on much those devices proved to be worth to those teams over a period of time, and the 'coincidence' of the teams behind them catching right up after they were banned.

I don't even know why i'm bothering to have this argument, it was a throwaway comment that you appear to have completely taken the wrong way. How odd.

Well if I've taken your comment the wrong way, then we're even. Because you're reading all sorts of weird merde into what I've written.

[McLaren Fan]

From F1 Live:

Following a recent visit to the Barcelona test garages, controversial technical features on some F1 cars were inspected by the FIA's Charlie Whiting.

Subsequently, the 30cm-high cockpit fairing fins on Williams' FW31 disappeared on safety grounds, and the much smaller fins on the 2009 BMW Sauber are also believed to have been scrapped ahead of the 2009 season.

But it is understood that, while the rear diffusers of the Brawn, Toyota and Williams cars have been the most controversial of the pre-season, the teams have not been asked to change those designs.

"They used a loophole (in the regulations) that was always there," the governing body's technical delegate Whiting is quoted as saying by Auto Motor und Sport.

"Additionally, we can understand that other teams have a different view," he added.

The threat of formal protests lodged by the teams' rivals in Australia thus remains.
"I guarantee whoever wins the races in Melbourne will be told they are cheating, and it doesn't matter who it is," Bernie Ecclestone commented on Wednesday.

Williams' Sam Michael is surprised the other teams have not simply picked up the concept rather than complain about it. "It would be relatively simple to copy this solution," the Australian said.

"It surprises me that more teams have not done so up to now," he is quoted as saying by the German magazine.

Source: GMM
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I agree with Michael on this one. I, too, am pretty surprised more teams didn't pick up on the loophole.