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jensonB
I like you
not gay. lol
But i totally agree
if you look at Kimi & Massa? they have had a simular F1 upbringing.
Ferrari through and through.
Kimi has had Schumi & Mika train him.
He should be top.
No excuses for him this season....


-VB

Kimi was at Mclaren for 5 years?

Doubt it would happen but if LH had a bad year with Mclaren and then Kimi left this year and he went to Ferrari and said "can i drive for you"

they would go "yes"

Doubt he will ever go Ferrari tho

Yeah, but would they go for Hamilton over Alonso? I doubt it - although i would actually love to see it, if I'm being totally honest. But hasn't he learnt from other drivers that sticking to one team your whole career nearly always ends in tears? Look at Button (pre honda buy-out) etc.

Yeh becuase alonso is a driver who wants his own way and Lewis is faster as proved in his 1st season in the same car.

Alonso completely threw his toys out of the pram and lewis got pissed too but it was managed badly yeh but alot of it was Alonso's doing.

For example lets say it was Massa, Alonso in Ferrari and Kimi, Hamilton in the Mclaren i'd of said Kimi or Lewis WDC with Mclaren WCC.

Were as Ferrrai would of been trying to stop Alonso and Massa fighting.

Hmm, true. And i don't think McLaren were holding Alonso back either, so yeah maybe Hamilton is faster. I still think if Ferrari had the choice between the two, they would opt for Alonso. I think Hamilton is a little too "clean" or nice for Ferrari. But again, i would love to see it happen. I have to admit that i can't see hamilton leaving McLaren though. They probably wouldn't let him go anyway...

[Gaz]

Alonso would be more expeinsive proberly too.

But yet i can't see Hamilton ever leaving Mclaren.

[Gilles 27]

I seriously doubt Ferrari or McLaren give anywhere near as much of a f*ck about each other as you guys seem to think. Both of them just want to be the top team which means beating amongst others, the second best team. It has been Ferrari and McLaren at the top for a little while so they have a bit of a rivalry going on but if one of them were to drop off the pace next season, the other wouldn't remotely care as long as they were beating whoever else was competitive.

As for Lewis, he is personally affiliated with McLaren so he'll stay put while the gettin's good but Ferrari, if they had a vacancy and Lewis wanted to move, wouldn't hesitate. The top teams want the top personnel, that is all. It would be completely nonsensical for them to behave in any other way.

[racechick]

Slightly off topic, but I was thinking about this yesterday...say Button wins the championship, or gets close (yes...a long shot), are the media/public going to drop Hamilton? Seeing as Button is much more likeable (or at least in my opinion).

Hamilton would hit obscurity so quickly it would make his head spin. Then the media would all say they knew Hamilton didn't have what it took after he threw away one championship and did all he could to throw away the second and thank god Mclaren managed to win despite Hamiltons antics. Button would become the new/recycled/version 2.0 British darling once again and Hamilton would pull one outrageous stunt after another trying to get the media to point their cameras at him again. He would air team dirty laundry as often as he could get a reporter to answer his call and eventually declare that F1 is no longer 'what it once was' and run off to Nascar to slide tractors around a circle with the other has been/used to be's.

I am convinced that his ego will never survive a mid pack at best car. He would melt down in a very public way.

You're talking out of your bottom. All hot air and no sense! As you will find out if you see Hamilton in a mid pack car.Your ignorance about racing drivers never ceases to amaze me.

[racechick]

Slightly off topic, but I was thinking about this yesterday...say Button wins the championship, or gets close (yes...a long shot), are the media/public going to drop Hamilton? Seeing as Button is much more likeable (or at least in my opinion).

Hamilton would hit obscurity so quickly it would make his head spin. Then the media would all say they knew Hamilton didn't have what it took after he threw away one championship and did all he could to throw away the second and thank god Mclaren managed to win despite Hamiltons antics. Button would become the new/recycled/version 2.0 British darling once again and Hamilton would pull one outrageous stunt after another trying to get the media to point their cameras at him again. He would air team dirty laundry as often as he could get a reporter to answer his call and eventually declare that F1 is no longer 'what it once was' and run off to Nascar to slide tractors around a circle with the other has been/used to be's.

I am convinced that his ego will never survive a mid pack at best car. He would melt down in a very public way.

Yeh thats exacly what would happen.

Lewis would go to Ferrari..

He could try, I doubt the Scuderia would have him. He's Ron's boy through and through.

Do remember that Kimi was Ferrari's before he was McLarens (He ran in the Formula Ferrar...Er, Sauber, in 2001). There's no way in hell they'd take a someone as dyed in the wool McLaren as Lewis, no matter how rapid he is.

Of course they'd want lewis. They want the fastest drivers. I dont think lewis would go thouigh.

[kerc]

I think most Lewis detractors here wish they were Lewis.

[EwanM]

Aye... keep dreaming...

[Jensonb]

jensonB
I like you
not gay. lol
But i totally agree
if you look at Kimi & Massa? they have had a simular F1 upbringing.
Ferrari through and through.
Kimi has had Schumi & Mika train him.
He should be top.
No excuses for him this season....


-VB

Kimi was at Mclaren for 5 years?

Doubt it would happen but if LH had a bad year with Mclaren and then Kimi left this year and he went to Ferrari and said "can i drive for you"

they would go "yes"

Doubt he will ever go Ferrari tho

Yeah, but would they go for Hamilton over Alonso? I doubt it - although i would actually love to see it, if I'm being totally honest. But hasn't he learnt from other drivers that sticking to one team your whole career nearly always ends in tears? Look at Button (pre honda buy-out) etc.

Yeh becuase alonso is a driver who wants his own way and Lewis is faster as proved in his 1st season in the same car.

Alonso completely threw his toys out of the pram and lewis got pissed too but it was managed badly yeh but alot of it was Alonso's doing.

For example lets say it was Massa, Alonso in Ferrari and Kimi, Hamilton in the Mclaren i'd of said Kimi or Lewis WDC with Mclaren WCC.

Were as Ferrrai would of been trying to stop Alonso and Massa fighting.

Lewis is not faster than Alonso. He ony managed to score the same in a team which heavily favoured him.

Next.

Of course they'd want lewis. They want the fastest drivers. I dont think lewis would go thouigh.

We are talking about Ferrari here, not Toyota. Ferrari would not hire Lewis Hamilton over Fernando Alonso. It would not happen.

[Gilles 27]

Lewis is not faster than Alonso. He ony managed to score the same in a team which heavily favoured him.

that there is a fact!

[billindenver]

cheerio bill

Cheers mate!

Another season is upon us and none too soon if you ask me. Hockey has been a horrible thing to behold in Denver this year, the snow has sucked so snowboarding wasn't worth the time and the race car is benched during the winter...so bring on the F1 before I go insane! I've been looking forward to this season more than most with all the changes etc. I'm also keen on seeing if 'that guy' lets his rabid fans down. I see Race Chic hasn't lost any of her hammy fever.

I really would like to see Button put a charge on...always liked that guy. There are half a dozen others I would love to see at the front since I affiliate myself with no team per se. So, I'll be cheering for whoever is in front of Hamilton....just to tease Race Chic a bit more when he loses. Hamilton Crashes Out. Hamilton jumps the start. Hamilton pulls into the wrong pit! Hehehe, let the board wars begin anew!

Melbourne would have to fall on the week we are in Cozumel diving (what do you think the chances are of SPEED being viewed somewhere in Cozumel?) So, I'll be watching it a week after you folks on DVR. Shhhh....don't tell me the outcome though!

Woohooo!!! Bring on the new season

[FerrariFan63]

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Lewis is not faster than Alonso. He ony managed to score the same in a team which heavily favoured him.

This was in Lewis' rookie year when Alonso was a highly experienced double champion. Bit of a stretch to say this shows that Alonso is faster.

[billindenver]

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Lewis is not faster than Alonso. He ony managed to score the same in a team which heavily favoured him.

This was in Lewis' rookie year when Alonso was a highly experienced double champion. Bit of a stretch to say this shows that Alonso is faster.

It's a bit of a stretch saying either of them is faster based on one year, which was horribly controversial and could easily be said to have gone either way. Had hamilton not ignored team orders to stuff Alonso in quali and Alonso not gone on to stuff him back and had the FIA not gone insane by docking him grid places for it.....Hammy would have lost that year's battle. I'm sure there are half a dozen other examples going both ways. Last year proved that Hamilton is faster than Kova....other than that it is anyone's guess who was the better driver. Lets see if Hamilton can do it again before we crown him the second coming of Senna. I know he has crowned himself already...but what he does with himself behind closed doors in the privacy of his own home is not something I care to consider.

Woot! I missed F1.

[stonemonkey]

Fair comment billindenver, except maybe the last bit, the media and the likes of James Allen have a lot to answer to on that. I don't deny Hamiltons ego but I don't think it's all his own doing.

[Gilles 27]

This was in Lewis' rookie year when Alonso was a highly experienced double champion. Bit of a stretch to say this shows that Alonso is faster.

Alright, I'm not going to argue this for long as it is a bit of a losing battle round here.

I feel that in 2007, Hamilton was given every opportunity to win the world title. He was given one of the two most competitive cars (Ferrari had an advantage in some places, McLaren others), the two established best drivers in the field were hobbled in the early races by problems with adjusting their driving styles to the tyres (Kimi and Alonso). He also benefited from the stewards decision in Hungary to demote Alonso down the grid following an issue that should really have been dealt with in house. He also probably should have been thrown out of the WDC given that his car was ruled to be illegal. Whether or not you agree with the FIA's ruling on spygate, if they came to the conclusion that the car is illegal, the drivers should not be allowed to score points in that car. Hamilton also had a healthy slice of the well known Ron Dennis favoritism.

Now Alonso fell foul of internal bickering over number 1 status (which he was right to feel entitled to). He also had to get used to a new team and car and was not allowed as much testing as Hamilton due to him being contractually restricted for the first test sessions. Hamilton would also have been testing with the team before 2006 was even over. The two biggies really are the tyres and the favoritism thing. Firstly the tyres.
Alonso would not have been used to Bridgestone tires let alone how they behaved on a car designed to different principles to his Renaults. The problems Alonso was having with them early on in the season were made to look worse as Hamilton found they actually complemented his driving style. During testing in 2006, Hamilton was nowhere on the Michelins, so far off the pace, he wouldn't have got the race seat if Michelin weren't pulling out. On the Bridgestones however, he was very fast. Alonso was in fact faster and more consistent on his bogey tires (Bridgestones) than Hamilton was on Michelins. This led to a weakening of Alonso's position in the team at the start of the season and led to a deterioration in relations between him and the team. But the odds were already in Hamilton's favour on that one.
Alonso is a reserved, private individual who did not warm to the McLaren environment quickly. Hamilton was already right at home. Ron Dennis has always failed to keep his personal feelings about drivers separate from the business of racing. Just listen to Coulthard speak about when he was there with Hakkinen.

Overall, in equal cars, Hamilton and Alonso finished the season on the same points. A mighty impressive debut season but still, Alonso had more going against him that season than Hamilton.

I don't particularly like Alonso, in fact he was 'the enemy' going into 2007 as he had seen off my 2 favourite drivers for the previous years' titles. However, for me over the past 2 seasons he has demonstrated that he is the best all round driver in F1.
I think I actually prefer Hamilton and I was ecstatic to see him win the title last season but for me Alonso is a cut above atm

[FerrariFan63]

Overall, in equal cars, Hamilton and Alonso finished the season on the same points. A mighty impressive debut season but still, Alonso had more going against him that season than Hamilton.

I think you grossly underestimate the importance of experience.