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[bud]

F1 has too much politics for me to handle. I just want to see dudes race each other with bad arse cars without political bs. Oh how i miss CART/Champ Car so...

while i understand what youre saying champcar is not the best comparison considering the series broke into two and you cant say there were no politics involved in that!

Watch what you say as there seem to ba ALOT of F1 politicians here.

yeah and youre the dictator

[Rivelution]

F1 has too much politics for me to handle. I just want to see dudes race each other with bad arse cars without political bs. Oh how i miss CART/Champ Car so...

while i understand what youre saying champcar is not the best comparison considering the series broke into two and you cant say there were no politics involved in that!

I know, but what I meant to say is that there were no b.s. stuff like Spa, and this whole Ferrari thing!! Basically there were no idiots like Bernie and Max, that is until this douchebag named Tony George came along...

[8-ball]

We need more people like Sir Jackie to come out and say what they we really think of F1 at the moment.

It doesn't make a blind bit of difference to the situation. F1 is run as a dictatorship and the manufacturer's are partly to blame for allowing it to happen. How could their CEO's enter into an agreement where they don't get to maximize their monetary return and allow Bernie to take 50%? Now there decision has come back to bite them in the butt and its no wonder Renault are not keen F1 and Honda had to go.

FOTA have to realise that they are supposed to be a unit and Ferrari are the ones undermining their effectiveness because of the special deals they have got on the side with the FIA. The other teams should make Ferrari pick a side and stop letting them suck up to both FOTA and the FIA. FOTA should have the FIA dancing around their little finger because the teams in F1 are much more important than the FIA but they are not fully unified. Bernie's divide and conquer strategy is working brilliantly.

[texasmr2]

F1 has too much politics for me to handle. I just want to see dudes race each other with bad arse cars without political bs. Oh how i miss CART/Champ Car so...

Watch what you say as there seem to ba ALOT of F1 politicians here.

What are they gonna do?? Criticize me for telling the truth!

I was agreeing with you.

yeah and youre the dictator

Thats a bit harsh atleast I'm not the court jester .

[bud]

yeah and youre the dictator

Thats a bit harsh atleast I'm not the court jester .

oh contrare i wouldnt say that

[McLaren Fan]

We need more people like Sir Jackie to come out and say what they we really think of F1 at the moment.

It doesn't make a blind bit of difference to the situation. F1 is run as a dictatorship and the manufacturer's are partly to blame for allowing it to happen. How could their CEO's enter into an agreement where they don't get to maximize their monetary return and allow Bernie to take 50%? Now there decision has come back to bite them in the butt and its no wonder Renault are not keen F1 and Honda had to go.

FOTA have to realise that they are supposed to be a unit and Ferrari are the ones undermining their effectiveness because of the special deals they have got on the side with the FIA. The other teams should make Ferrari pick a side and stop letting them suck up to both FOTA and the FIA. FOTA should have the FIA dancing around their little finger because the teams in F1 are much more important than the FIA but they are not fully unified. Bernie's divide and conquer strategy is working brilliantly.

The absolutely staggering thing is that Ecclestone used to get a 77% cut! Why the hell did they accept that!

In terms of FOTA, I think it has stuck together reasonably well. Ecclestone revealed that Ferrari had a secret handshake to attempt to divide the teams, but his plan failed; only a day or two later FOTA came out and said it was not a problem. Also, like the rest of us, I suspect the teams were sure Ferrari were getting something.

[McLaren Fan]

From F1 Live:

The impasse over the distribution of commercial income in Formula One is no closer to a resolution, the German magazine Auto Motor und Sport reports.

On one side of the dispute is the Formula One Teams' Association, backed up by FIA President Max Mosley, who insist that Formula One Management CEO Bernie Ecclestone should release more than the 50 percent of total revenue that is currently given to the sport's competitors.

"In no other sport do the participants get so little," FOTA Chairman and Ferrari President Luca di Montezemolo is quoted as saying.

But Ecclestone, who has already publicly criticised Montezemolo over the issue of team income, responded: "I would like Luca to call me with the names of the sports that pay more."

The 78-year-old billionaire added: "No-one has to take part in Formula One if they don't want to."

Auto Motor und Sport claims that Ecclestone's cautionary response to the teams' push over income is to threaten a 'TV tax': where the teams receiving more live broadcast exposure pay a sort of revenue 'tax' to the less exposed teams.

The FIA, meanwhile, is siding with FOTA, but warns that it is in the other players' interests to come to a solution.

Mosley claims that if the F1 bubble was to burst, the governing FIA would continue to exist and "only the teams and Bernie would be out of business."

"Thus all the rights would return to the FIA and we would have to create something out of the ruins," he said.

E.A, Source: GMM
© CAPSIS International

No-one has to take part in Formula One if they don't want to.

Good point, Bernie. Breakaway series, please.

[thestake]

Sorry, controversial subjet I know, but would be interested in your thoughts.

It began this morning when I read this article on Sport without Spin.

Ferrari seem to have special financial ties with the organisers of the competition. How can that be fair for the rest of the sport? How can an appeal or a racing incident be heard featuring Ferrari and the teams feel that they have a real chance of being understood? Is there a solution, or should we just accept Ferrari's status? Will it change when Ecclestone and Mosley leave the sport?

[Gaz]

Sorry, controversial subjet I know, but would be interested in your thoughts.

It began this morning when I read this article on Sport without Spin.

Ferrari seem to have special financial ties with the organisers of the competition. How can that be fair for the rest of the sport? How can an appeal or a racing incident be heard featuring Ferrari and the teams feel that they have a real chance of being understood? Is there a solution, or should we just accept Ferrari's status? Will it change when Ecclestone and Mosley leave the sport?

its not, Ferrari get 80mil a YEAR more than anyone else and an additional 80mil more if they win so they can walk away with 160mil more than any other team, its been disccused before tho

[thestake]

Sorry, hadn't seen that it had been discussed before, I only had a brief look.

Was last month the first time that the amounts Ferrari get were qualified?

Are there any other levels of favouritism on the grid, or is it Ferrari then more or less level for the other 9 teams? I wondered if McLaren are particularly hard done by, but that might be the result of a home town perspective...

[Gaz]

Sorry, hadn't seen that it had been discussed before, I only had a brief look.

Was last month the first time that the amounts Ferrari get were qualified?

Are there any other levels of favouritism on the grid, or is it Ferrari then more or less level for the other 9 teams? I wondered if McLaren are particularly hard done by, but that might be the result of a home town perspective...

i don't we'll ever know unless its used by BE to stirr up crap like it was last time.

it may be equal for the other teams but i'd expect the likes of Mclaren, Williams and perhaps renault to get more

[Denthúl]

Sorry, hadn't seen that it had been discussed before, I only had a brief look.

Was last month the first time that the amounts Ferrari get were qualified?

Are there any other levels of favouritism on the grid, or is it Ferrari then more or less level for the other 9 teams? I wondered if McLaren are particularly hard done by, but that might be the result of a home town perspective...

i don't we'll ever know unless its used by BE to stirr up crap like it was last time.

it may be equal for the other teams but i'd expect the likes of Mclaren, Williams and perhaps renault to get more

If it's a tiered system, it's auto-fail.

[8-ball]

Sorry, hadn't seen that it had been discussed before, I only had a brief look.

Was last month the first time that the amounts Ferrari get were qualified?

Are there any other levels of favouritism on the grid, or is it Ferrari then more or less level for the other 9 teams? I wondered if McLaren are particularly hard done by, but that might be the result of a home town perspective...

i don't we'll ever know unless its used by BE to stirr up crap like it was last time.

it may be equal for the other teams but i'd expect the likes of Mclaren, Williams and perhaps renault to get more

If it's a tiered system, it's auto-fail.

Teams should get an equal share regardless of where they finish at the end of the season. Every team is crucial to the F1 show and the incentive of becoming champions is strong enough. So in answer to the question F1 isn't a completely fair sport but its been that way for so long people have gotten used to it. And that is probably more of a problem.

[bud]

actually its fair if you get more for finishing first, kinda like a prize money system! whats not fair is Ferrari getting more ontop of that!

[McLaren Fan]

Formula One isn't fair. Whilst it's impossible in this world to have an absolutely perfect system, big changes at the FIA and FOM must happen. The sport is run in a biased and unprofessional manner.