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[AKR]

Congrats on your promotion to "Moderatorship" - just made that word up

Chelsea vs Juve
Man Utd vs Inter
Arsenal vs Roma

England (3) vs (3) Italy. Simply all the English teams will go through

Why thank you.

I for one will be hoping that Liverpool can overcome Real Madrid.
Im in two minds though, because an exit from the CL may give us a stronger premiership challenge.

But European Football is what makes Liverpool so great. Especially at Anfield

Although I pray for Real Madrid to beat Liverpool, I wouldn't fear them if you strongly believe your Liverpool is any good. Juve bet Real Madrid twice this year in the Champions League. 2-1 in Turin and 2-0 in Madrid. Although Juve are a superside, Real Madrid isn't anything special at the moment.

[Dutchcruijff]

Congrats on your promotion to "Moderatorship" - just made that word up

Chelsea vs Juve
Man Utd vs Inter
Arsenal vs Roma

England (3) vs (3) Italy. Simply all the English teams will go through

No they wont. Aresnal are shiit. Roma might not be that great but bet Chelsea who is better than Arsenal.

Juve are better than Chelsea as Chelsea dispite being 2nd on the EPL table and one point behind Liverpool are just playing like crap. Juve are not. Juve are second in serie A only to Inter. But then Inter although I hate them are a top side so I guess at least they are second to only another world class team.

Man Utd and Inter. I hate them both so I guess I should say I hate the English club more so Forza Inter and the f&ckyou Inter after that and hope they lose after that to whoever they play.

You forgot to mention Liverpool Versus Real Madrid. I know that Real is Spanish but I hope Liverpool loses as they too are a bunch of scumbags.

Lastly this Sunday, the final of the World Cup Clup tournament. The one that GREAT ITALIAN SIDE, AC Milan won last year. Manchester United verus Liga de Quito. VAMOS ARRIBA QUITO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are the worthy champions to be, not some scum team who shouldn't of even won the final as Chelsea should be the European champions of 2008.

In the end I hope all English teams (Except Chelsea) always lose now and in the future. I hope Fabio Capello's English national side lose as well so they fire him because he is shiithead and they continue to lose and lose after that. Italy has won the world cup 4 times and only second to Brazil which is acceptable as Brazil are simply Brazil and great at football. England one once in 1966. England has never won the European cup. Italy has won this once as well. Italy has one equal amount of Champion League trophies to the English sides and also Spain as all are on 11 wins but Italy has more World Club Cups/Intercontinental Cups. But this is bullshiit because club competition is all full of foreigners anyway. In 4 years from now when only 5 foreigners are allowed to play in any given game at a time, the English clubs will win nothing as English players are shiit, and Italy, Spain, Germany and Holland will win everything as they have good players. As proven by the successes of their respective national sides.

What! What! What!

Arsenal? s***? In the same sentence. Blasphemy! Dear Kiki if they are so "s***" why did they beat both Chelsea and Manchester United and hopefully soon to beat Liverpool? Inconsistent they maybe but they will simply beat Roma because the Italians don't have quality in depth.

Juve better than Chelsea Chelsea just set a record for the best away record in the Premier League. The team's home record might be shaky at the moment but they lost to Liverpool and Arsenal, two of the biggest clubs in the world. You cannot compare the Serie A to the Premier League, one has practically collapsed and the other is the best league in the world. No doubt Juve are a fantastic team and it will a tight tie between the two but Chelsea are the superior side as much as it hurt me to say that.

Scum team? AC Milan are scum look at their Ultras a bunch of racist scum. We won the European Champions League simple as. Yet, following your logic then AC weren't the Champions of Europe in 2003, right? Talk about contradictions.

We have the best CBs in the world (Terry & Ferdinand over a crappy Cannavaro and Chilleni), best CMs in the world (Lampard & Gerrard over Pirlo and De Rossi/Gattuso) and two of the best strikers in the world (Michael Owen and Rooney over Alberto "I can't even piss in a toilet let alone score a goal" Gilardino oh and Luca Toni who let you down in the Euros). The Italian national football team is scum and is full of cheats. Take a look at Marco Materazzi he was a failure in the Premier League and now he is first choice CB for Inter, how the mighty have fallen. Scum of the Earth!!!

[hamilton08]

for me it is Aston Villa F.C all the way.
i so hope we get champions league football next season

[AKR]

What! What! What!

Arsenal? s***? In the same sentence. Blasphemy! Dear Kiki if they are so "s***" why did they beat both Chelsea and Manchester United and hopefully soon to beat Liverpool? Inconsistent they maybe but they will simply beat Roma because the Italians don't have quality in depth.

Juve better than Chelsea Chelsea just set a record for the best away record in the Premier League. The team's home record might be shaky at the moment but they lost to Liverpool and Arsenal, two of the biggest clubs in the world. You cannot compare the Serie A to the Premier League, one has practically collapsed and the other is the best league in the world. No doubt Juve are a fantastic team and it will a tight tie between the two but Chelsea are the superior side as much as it hurt me to say that.

Scum team? AC Milan are scum look at their Ultras a bunch of racist scum. We won the European Champions League simple as. Yet, following your logic then AC weren't the Champions of Europe in 2003, right? Talk about contradictions.

We have the best CBs in the world (Terry & Ferdinand over a crappy Cannavaro and Chilleni), best CMs in the world (Lampard & Gerrard over Pirlo and De Rossi/Gattuso) and two of the best strikers in the world (Michael Owen and Rooney over Alberto "I can't even piss in a toilet let alone score a goal" Gilardino oh and Luca Toni who let you down in the Euros). The Italian national football team is scum and is full of cheats. Take a look at Marco Materazzi he was a failure in the Premier League and now he is first choice CB for Inter, how the mighty have fallen. Scum of the Earth!!!

Serie A is better than the EPL. The EPL is an overrated bullpoo league. Serie A is better and will always be better. Just because of the Calciopoli scandal, your EPL may of gotten the image of being better. But sooner or later that will change again. Juventus, Inter and AC Milan are the 3 best clubs in the world. Juve the only club to have won at least one of each major International Tournament. AC Milan has more European Cup wins than any English Club. In fact AC Milan is the most successful club in football history having won more International trophies then any other. Juve are 3rd most successful in Europe 3rd only to Real Madrid in 2nd and AC Milan in first and 6th outright in the world meaning that still no English club is higher ranked than Juve.

Your rating of English players against the Italians are rubbish. Your English clubs are only any good because of all the foreigners that play for them. English players are s*** and will always be s***. If they were any good England would be winning trophies, intead they have only won one World Cup back in 1966. How dismal. Take all the foreigners out of the EPL and the EPL will be crappier than the Greek league I reckon. Take all the foreigners out of Serie A and at least it will still be of some quality. England are so s*** that they need an Italian coach to coach their national side. You need to learn from us because you know we are better and that is a fact. We afterall are the current world champions and we didn't cheat and you dam well know it. And you dam well know that Italy have been stuffed around many times in World Cups and European Cups before 2006 by poor refereeing etc. England couldn't win if they paid the ref to help them win.

As for Aresna, they are s***, they wont even get higher than 4th in the EPL and Roma will beat them just like they bet Chelsea and Real Madrid the season before. Manchester United are bunch of super scum bags. I hate Inter but I must say the Interiste are angels compared to Man Utd. And VAMOS LIGA DE QUITO in the world club competiton this Sunday on Tokyo.

In all, England are crap, so are all the English clubs (Except Chelsea). They will lose, they will always be scum, and all of Europe will never like them especially with your stupid mentality. It is a fact that almost wherever you go in Europe, when an English team plays against another non English team, most poeple will support the non English team. By the way the Italians of the pretiagious Serie A were the first country to succeed in having an all one nation Champions League final. 2003 AC Milan Versus Juventus. Remeber that? And Inter were in the semi final as well so 3 Italian teams in the last 4. We achieved what English clubs achieved in 2008 first. So it means the best so called league changes all the time. But Italy are better because our players are better and proven to be better because we have won more tournaments and in recent time may I say. I reckon crappy little Slovenija will beat England. That would be nice to watch as well. My country of birth beat you overrated bigmouth thinking your so great English team.

[AKR]

What Zola believes the Italian sides will do to their English opposition. And this is a man who knows a lot about the EPL as he is an active part of it. Interesting as he believes Roma will beat Arsenal.

From Channel4.com

Zola: All three Italians can do it!
Saturday 20 December, 2008
Former Chelsea legend Gianfranco Zola is confident all three Italians can knock out their English rivals in the Champions League.

“I think the match between Chelsea and Juventus will be extremely interesting,” he told newspaper Tuttosport.

“To understand who gets into the quarter-finals, we have to evaluate their current fitness and form, too.

“I think the Blues will be slight favourites, as they have a larger squad and more of their stars are accustomed to the international scene.

“In my view, Chelsea have a 55 per cent chance of qualifying, while Juve are a tiny bit further back on 45 per cent.”

The West Ham United manager is more encouraging with the other two Serie A-Premier League showdowns.

“I am fascinated by Inter-Manchester United. These are two different styles challenging each other, not just in terms of play, but overall approach.

“I don’t think it is fair to limit this to a battle between Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Cristiano Ronaldo. It’ll be an entertaining clash, but extremely balanced.

“I give United and Inter the same odds of going through, 50 per cent each.”

Arsenal are the most confident of progressing after drawing Roma, but Zola feels here is the tie that is most in favour of the Italians.

“Arsenal and Roma are extremely similar for a thousand and one reasons,” continued Magic Box.

“Last season they both played the most spectacular football in Europe. My prediction is slightly in favour of the Romanisti, as I give them a 55 per cent chance of qualifying compared to Arsenal’s 45 per cent.”

[AKR]

Most successfull clubs in the world in order.

1
Flag of Argentina Boca Juniors
18 [23]
3 Intercontinental Cup-FIFA Club World Championships; 6 Copas Libertadores; 2 Copas Sudamericanas; 1 Supercopa Sudamericana; 4 Recopas Sudamericanas; 1 Copa Oro "Nicolás Leoz" [24]; 1 Supercopa Masters [25]
Flag of Italy Milan
18
4 Intercontinental Cup-FIFA Club World Championships; 7 European Cup-UEFA Champions Leagues; 2 UEFA Cup Winners' Cups; 5 UEFA Super Cups
3
Flag of Argentina Independiente
15
2 Intercontinental Cup-FIFA Club World Championships; 7 Copas Libertadores; 2 Supercopas Sudamericanas; 1 Recopa Sudamericana; 3 Copas Interamericanas
Flag of Spain Real Madrid
15 [9]
3 Intercontinental Cup-FIFA Club World Championships; 9 European Cup-UEFA Champions Leagues; 2 UEFA Cups;1 UEFA Super Cup
5
Flag of Egypt Al-Ahly
13
6 African Cup of Champions Clubs-CAF Champions Leagues; 4 CAF Cup Winners' Cups; 3 CAF Super Cup
6
Flag of Italy Juventus
11 [26]
2 Intercontinental Cup-FIFA Club World Championships; 2 European Cup-UEFA Champions Leagues; 1 UEFA Cup Winners' Cup; 3 UEFA Cups; 1 UEFA Intertoto Cup; 2 UEFA Super Cups
Flag of England Liverpool
11
5 European Cup-UEFA Champions Leagues; 3 UEFA Cups; 3 UEFA Super Cups
Flag of Brazil São Paulo
11 [27]
3 Intercontinental Cup-FIFA Club World Championships; 3 Copas Libertadores; 1 Copa Conmebol; 1 Supercopa Sudamericana; 2 Recopas Sudamericanas; 1 Copa Masters Conmebol [28]


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1st is Milan with Boca Juniors but Juve has more important cups so is more of a first but in Europe would still be number one as you cannot count an Argentine team in that category. Juve is 6th. Liverpool has an equal 11 cups like Juve but once agaib Juve is ranked higher because they have 2 Intercontinental/World Club Cups to Liverpools zero.

So Italian clubs are the most successful in Europe, one of the most successful in the world and clearly better than the English clubs. Fact.

Here is the rank for just European clubs.

Union of European Football Association (top 11 clubs)

* 18: Flag of Italy Milan
* 15: [9] Flag of Spain Real Madrid
* 11: [26] Flag of Italy Juventus
* 11: Flag of England Liverpool
* 10: [27] Flag of the Netherlands Ajax
* 8: Flag of Germany Bayern Munich
* 8: [31] Flag of Spain Barcelona
* 7: Flag of Italy Internazionale
* 6: Flag of Portugal Porto
* 6: Flag of England Manchester United
* 5: Flag of Belgium Anderlecht
* 5: [35] Flag of Spain Valencia

Milan and Juve outclass all English Clubs and only Liverpool outclass Inter. Even Belgium's Anderlecht have had more success than Arseholeanal.

[Dutchcruijff]

What! What! What!

Arsenal? s***? In the same sentence. Blasphemy! Dear Kiki if they are so "s***" why did they beat both Chelsea and Manchester United and hopefully soon to beat Liverpool? Inconsistent they maybe but they will simply beat Roma because the Italians don't have quality in depth.

Juve better than Chelsea Chelsea just set a record for the best away record in the Premier League. The team's home record might be shaky at the moment but they lost to Liverpool and Arsenal, two of the biggest clubs in the world. You cannot compare the Serie A to the Premier League, one has practically collapsed and the other is the best league in the world. No doubt Juve are a fantastic team and it will a tight tie between the two but Chelsea are the superior side as much as it hurt me to say that.

Scum team? AC Milan are scum look at their Ultras a bunch of racist scum. We won the European Champions League simple as. Yet, following your logic then AC weren't the Champions of Europe in 2003, right? Talk about contradictions.

We have the best CBs in the world (Terry & Ferdinand over a crappy Cannavaro and Chilleni), best CMs in the world (Lampard & Gerrard over Pirlo and De Rossi/Gattuso) and two of the best strikers in the world (Michael Owen and Rooney over Alberto "I can't even piss in a toilet let alone score a goal" Gilardino oh and Luca Toni who let you down in the Euros). The Italian national football team is scum and is full of cheats. Take a look at Marco Materazzi he was a failure in the Premier League and now he is first choice CB for Inter, how the mighty have fallen. Scum of the Earth!!!

Serie A is better than the EPL. The EPL is an overrated bullpoo league. Serie A is better and will always be better. Just because of the Calciopoli scandal, your EPL may of gotten the image of being better. But sooner or later that will change again. Juventus, Inter and AC Milan are the 3 best clubs in the world. Juve the only club to have won at least one of each major International Tournament. AC Milan has more European Cup wins than any English Club. In fact AC Milan is the most successful club in football history having won more International trophies then any other. Juve are 3rd most successful in Europe 3rd only to Real Madrid in 2nd and AC Milan in first and 6th outright in the world meaning that still no English club is higher ranked than Juve.

Your rating of English players against the Italians are rubbish. Your English clubs are only any good because of all the foreigners that play for them. English players are s*** and will always be s***. If they were any good England would be winning trophies, intead they have only won one World Cup back in 1966. How dismal. Take all the foreigners out of the EPL and the EPL will be crappier than the Greek league I reckon. Take all the foreigners out of Serie A and at least it will still be of some quality. England are so s*** that they need an Italian coach to coach their national side. You need to learn from us because you know we are better and that is a fact. We afterall are the current world champions and we didn't cheat and you dam well know it. And you dam well know that Italy have been stuffed around many times in World Cups and European Cups before 2006 by poor refereeing etc. England couldn't win if they paid the ref to help them win.

As for Aresna, they are s***, they wont even get higher than 4th in the EPL and Roma will beat them just like they bet Chelsea and Real Madrid the season before. Manchester United are bunch of super scum bags. I hate Inter but I must say the Interiste are angels compared to Man Utd. And VAMOS LIGA DE QUITO in the world club competiton this Sunday on Tokyo.

In all, England are crap, so are all the English clubs (Except Chelsea). They will lose, they will always be scum, and all of Europe will never like them especially with your stupid mentality. It is a fact that almost wherever you go in Europe, when an English team plays against another non English team, most poeple will support the non English team. By the way the Italians of the pretiagious Serie A were the first country to succeed in having an all one nation Champions League final. 2003 AC Milan Versus Juventus. Remeber that? And Inter were in the semi final as well so 3 Italian teams in the last 4. We achieved what English clubs achieved in 2008 first. So it means the best so called league changes all the time. But Italy are better because our players are better and proven to be better because we have won more tournaments and in recent time may I say. I reckon crappy little Slovenija will beat England. That would be nice to watch as well. My country of birth beat you overrated bigmouth thinking your so great English team.

Typically naive...thinking that the Serie A is revolved around only 3 clubs. The EPL is better, the football has more quality, the players are better and the entertainment is much better, face it. Ask yourself this, why are players leaving the Serie A? Toni & Shevchenko as examples.

You did not cheat? The Serie A is corrupt, the "Godly" clubs of Juve and AC are corrupt and every president of the teams are corrupt. Hence, why the Italian football team is a bunch of cheats. It's stupid to think you can take all the foreign players out of the EPL. One it is just not plausible and two it's against EU rights and legislations.

"By the way the Italians of the pretiagious Serie A were the first country to succeed in having an all one nation Champions League final". Where are you getting this information from? Do you not remember the 2000 Champions League final? Plus, please do not start berating about the CL triumphs of Italian clubs when English clubs were banned for 5 years in the 1980s, where notably 3 European Cups were won by Italians (which would not have happened if it weren't for the ban). UEFA could not take the fact that there were 6 English Champions in a row and decided to ban English clubs. What stupidity look at the Italian racist ultras now, they do not take any action simply because Italian football isn't a threat to making the CL tedious.

Wait up, so are you going to ask my question "Are AC Milan also scum because they won in the same manner as United"?

Moreover, Man Utd have beaten Roma 4 times in the past 3 years and I remember a certain "s*** Arsenal" beating the Rossoneri 2-0 over aggregate last season?

Let's just wait till February/March and then I shall laugh at you

[7UpJordan]

The Football League Championship is better than the Premiership and Serie A combined. Deal with it...

[Dutchcruijff]

Premiership > Serie A because of:

"Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani agrees with Jose Mourinho in the sense that Italy is lagging well behind the Premier League and the Spanish Prmiera Division in terms of appeal.

Many believe Serie A is one of the best leagues in the world but the Italians have arguably fallen behind their competitors from across the continent.

Galliani has highlighted the factors which push and pull fans away and towards Calcio.

"I agree with Mourinho, Italian football is well behind. The Premier League and La Liga are better than Serie A," Galliani told Sky Sport Italia.

"We have to take note of the fact that we didn't sell any rights of our game to England and Germany this year but the motives are not because the teams are not good enough.

"The reasons are poor stadiums, they are always empty and not like the beautiful stadiums you see in England.

"The state of the turf is very bad. The grass is a disgrace and it's always a different color and all this changes the product.

"The product in England is beautiful, much better than here in Italy. I'm not talking about the football or the prestige of the clubs, all I am saying is that the overall product coming from the Premier League is better.

"We need to change the turf and stadiums. It's not about teams like Barcelona, Real Madrid, Chelsea, Arsenal being better than Milan, Inter or Juventus. It's about what surrounds the matches in terms of stadia and appeal."

Please stop this nonsense now

[EwanM]

Most successfull clubs in the world in order.

1
Flag of Argentina Boca Juniors
18 [23]
3 Intercontinental Cup-FIFA Club World Championships; 6 Copas Libertadores; 2 Copas Sudamericanas; 1 Supercopa Sudamericana; 4 Recopas Sudamericanas; 1 Copa Oro "Nicolás Leoz" [24]; 1 Supercopa Masters [25]
Flag of Italy Milan
18
4 Intercontinental Cup-FIFA Club World Championships; 7 European Cup-UEFA Champions Leagues; 2 UEFA Cup Winners' Cups; 5 UEFA Super Cups
3
Flag of Argentina Independiente
15
2 Intercontinental Cup-FIFA Club World Championships; 7 Copas Libertadores; 2 Supercopas Sudamericanas; 1 Recopa Sudamericana; 3 Copas Interamericanas
Flag of Spain Real Madrid
15 [9]
3 Intercontinental Cup-FIFA Club World Championships; 9 European Cup-UEFA Champions Leagues; 2 UEFA Cups;1 UEFA Super Cup
5
Flag of Egypt Al-Ahly
13
6 African Cup of Champions Clubs-CAF Champions Leagues; 4 CAF Cup Winners' Cups; 3 CAF Super Cup
6
Flag of Italy Juventus
11 [26]
2 Intercontinental Cup-FIFA Club World Championships; 2 European Cup-UEFA Champions Leagues; 1 UEFA Cup Winners' Cup; 3 UEFA Cups; 1 UEFA Intertoto Cup; 2 UEFA Super Cups
Flag of England Liverpool
11
5 European Cup-UEFA Champions Leagues; 3 UEFA Cups; 3 UEFA Super Cups
Flag of Brazil São Paulo
11 [27]
3 Intercontinental Cup-FIFA Club World Championships; 3 Copas Libertadores; 1 Copa Conmebol; 1 Supercopa Sudamericana; 2 Recopas Sudamericanas; 1 Copa Masters Conmebol [28]


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1st is Milan with Boca Juniors but Juve has more important cups so is more of a first but in Europe would still be number one as you cannot count an Argentine team in that category. Juve is 6th. Liverpool has an equal 11 cups like Juve but once agaib Juve is ranked higher because they have 2 Intercontinental/World Club Cups to Liverpools zero.

So Italian clubs are the most successful in Europe, one of the most successful in the world and clearly better than the English clubs. Fact.

Here is the rank for just European clubs.

Union of European Football Association (top 11 clubs)

* 18: Flag of Italy Milan
* 15: [9] Flag of Spain Real Madrid
* 11: [26] Flag of Italy Juventus
* 11: Flag of England Liverpool
* 10: [27] Flag of the Netherlands Ajax
* 8: Flag of Germany Bayern Munich
* 8: [31] Flag of Spain Barcelona
* 7: Flag of Italy Internazionale
* 6: Flag of Portugal Porto
* 6: Flag of England Manchester United
* 5: Flag of Belgium Anderlecht
* 5: [35] Flag of Spain Valencia

Milan and Juve outclass all English Clubs and only Liverpool outclass Inter. Even Belgium's Anderlecht have had more success than Arseholeanal.

That isn't bringing Domestic titles into consideration though.

[AKR]

Typically naive...thinking that the Serie A is revolved around only 3 clubs. The EPL is better, the football has more quality, the players are better and the entertainment is much better, face it. Ask yourself this, why are players leaving the Serie A? Toni & Shevchenko as examples.

Bullshiit full of shiit you are. Shevchenko plays for AC Milan get your facts right. He went to Chelsea saw how shiit the EPL is and came back to Serie A. The Bundesliga is great league. In 4 years time you will see the Germans come back when the no more than 5 foreign players at a time rule comes in. And Italy has enough foreigners in its League. We don't want anymore so you can have them all and thus continue to have a super shiit national side that will fail even under ITALIAN Fabio Capello.

You did not cheat? The Serie A is corrupt, the "Godly" clubs of Juve and AC are corrupt and every president of the teams are corrupt. Hence, why the Italian football team is a bunch of cheats. It's stupid to think you can take all the foreign players out of the EPL. One it is just not plausible and two it's against EU rights and legislations.

The Italian national side doesn't cheat. As I said keep al your foreingers and continue your dismal performance at a national level. Besides all of Europe wouldn't want to see England win anyway. And lastly EPL clubs cheat too. Who was it that caught again? I can't even remember now, West Ham or someone? Remind me?

"By the way the Italians of the pretiagious Serie A were the first country to succeed in having an all one nation Champions League final". Where are you getting this information from? Do you not remember the 2000 Champions League final? Plus, please do not start berating about the CL triumphs of Italian clubs when English clubs were banned for 5 years in the 1980s, where notably 3 European Cups were won by Italians (which would not have happened if it weren't for the ban). UEFA could not take the fact that there were 6 English Champions in a row and decided to ban English clubs. What stupidity look at the Italian racist ultras now, they do not take any action simply because Italian football isn't a threat to making the CL tedious.

Oops I forgot about Spain. Well I love SPain and speak Spanish and I don't mind then doing it before us. Italy achieved it before the Poms so that is what matters. And Englsnd deserved its 5 year band after Heysel 1985. You bunch of hooligans should all be banned for life. If it were aup to me I would ban all English clubs (Except Chelsea) from Europe for the next 100 years.

Wait up, so are you going to ask my question "Are AC Milan also scum because they won in the same manner as United"?

Moreover, Man Utd have beaten Roma 4 times in the past 3 years and I remember a certain "s*** Arsenal" beating the Rossoneri 2-0 over aggregate last season?

Let's just wait till February/March and then I shall laugh at you

[/quote]

Yeah and AC Milan bet Manchester "Scum" United in 2007. Man United bet Roma and AC Milan not only fixed Man United's little red wagon but also that of scummy Bindippers Liverpool. And Inter-Milan, I hate them so couldn't care less about cat Arseholeanal little win. But this time though I hate Man United even more so I guess I'll support the Rossoneri this time.

Face Italy are the greatest European Football nation. Fact. Spain are just as great and so are Germany. England are crap, always will be and will be loved by the other Europeans when they lose. Don't worry I will be laughing at you because come Feb/March, your stupid English clubs wont win them all. Oh and I forgot, Liverpool versus Real Madrid. Go Real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am a true European so will support the non English club at all costs.

[AKR]

Most successfull clubs in the world in order.

1
Flag of Argentina Boca Juniors
18 [23]
3 Intercontinental Cup-FIFA Club World Championships; 6 Copas Libertadores; 2 Copas Sudamericanas; 1 Supercopa Sudamericana; 4 Recopas Sudamericanas; 1 Copa Oro "Nicolás Leoz" [24]; 1 Supercopa Masters [25]
Flag of Italy Milan
18
4 Intercontinental Cup-FIFA Club World Championships; 7 European Cup-UEFA Champions Leagues; 2 UEFA Cup Winners' Cups; 5 UEFA Super Cups
3
Flag of Argentina Independiente
15
2 Intercontinental Cup-FIFA Club World Championships; 7 Copas Libertadores; 2 Supercopas Sudamericanas; 1 Recopa Sudamericana; 3 Copas Interamericanas
Flag of Spain Real Madrid
15 [9]
3 Intercontinental Cup-FIFA Club World Championships; 9 European Cup-UEFA Champions Leagues; 2 UEFA Cups;1 UEFA Super Cup
5
Flag of Egypt Al-Ahly
13
6 African Cup of Champions Clubs-CAF Champions Leagues; 4 CAF Cup Winners' Cups; 3 CAF Super Cup
6
Flag of Italy Juventus
11 [26]
2 Intercontinental Cup-FIFA Club World Championships; 2 European Cup-UEFA Champions Leagues; 1 UEFA Cup Winners' Cup; 3 UEFA Cups; 1 UEFA Intertoto Cup; 2 UEFA Super Cups
Flag of England Liverpool
11
5 European Cup-UEFA Champions Leagues; 3 UEFA Cups; 3 UEFA Super Cups
Flag of Brazil São Paulo
11 [27]
3 Intercontinental Cup-FIFA Club World Championships; 3 Copas Libertadores; 1 Copa Conmebol; 1 Supercopa Sudamericana; 2 Recopas Sudamericanas; 1 Copa Masters Conmebol [28]


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1st is Milan with Boca Juniors but Juve has more important cups so is more of a first but in Europe would still be number one as you cannot count an Argentine team in that category. Juve is 6th. Liverpool has an equal 11 cups like Juve but once agaib Juve is ranked higher because they have 2 Intercontinental/World Club Cups to Liverpools zero.

So Italian clubs are the most successful in Europe, one of the most successful in the world and clearly better than the English clubs. Fact.

Here is the rank for just European clubs.

Union of European Football Association (top 11 clubs)

* 18: Flag of Italy Milan
* 15: [9] Flag of Spain Real Madrid
* 11: [26] Flag of Italy Juventus
* 11: Flag of England Liverpool
* 10: [27] Flag of the Netherlands Ajax
* 8: Flag of Germany Bayern Munich
* 8: [31] Flag of Spain Barcelona
* 7: Flag of Italy Internazionale
* 6: Flag of Portugal Porto
* 6: Flag of England Manchester United
* 5: Flag of Belgium Anderlecht
* 5: [35] Flag of Spain Valencia

Milan and Juve outclass all English Clubs and only Liverpool outclass Inter. Even Belgium's Anderlecht have had more success than Arseholeanal.

That isn't bringing Domestic titles into consideration though.

Domestic titles are only against domestic clubs so can't be used to compare different nations clubs against others.

I wish that the Scottish clubs had more money. I like their clubs in general and if they could buy the best players like England, Italy and Spain for example, they would excel a lot more. I don't know how you Scots can put up with those Poms half the time, but the day will come when you can stick it up their backsides when one of your sides defeats theirs in a major tournament or when Scotland beats England at a national level.

[welshie]

You really are a sausage

[AKR]

Premiership > Serie A because of:

"Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani agrees with Jose Mourinho in the sense that Italy is lagging well behind the Premier League and the Spanish Prmiera Division in terms of appeal.

Many believe Serie A is one of the best leagues in the world but the Italians have arguably fallen behind their competitors from across the continent.

Galliani has highlighted the factors which push and pull fans away and towards Calcio.

"I agree with Mourinho, Italian football is well behind. The Premier League and La Liga are better than Serie A," Galliani told Sky Sport Italia.

"We have to take note of the fact that we didn't sell any rights of our game to England and Germany this year but the motives are not because the teams are not good enough.

"The reasons are poor stadiums, they are always empty and not like the beautiful stadiums you see in England.

"The state of the turf is very bad. The grass is a disgrace and it's always a different color and all this changes the product.

"The product in England is beautiful, much better than here in Italy. I'm not talking about the football or the prestige of the clubs, all I am saying is that the overall product coming from the Premier League is better.

"We need to change the turf and stadiums. It's not about teams like Barcelona, Real Madrid, Chelsea, Arsenal being better than Milan, Inter or Juventus. It's about what surrounds the matches in terms of stadia and appeal."

Please stop this nonsense now

You are so full of it. Our football is better period. Italians play better thus why they are world champions and England are so shiit that they cannot even qualify for the 2008 Euros. Spain I agree are good to as they too are current European Champions. In the end players train and learn to play and reach their levels whilst playing for their respective clubs. Most of the Italians that play of the national side play in Serie A, except Toni and Oddo who play for Bayern Monaco and Grossi who plays for Lyon. But none play in England so says a lot doesn't it? And those Italian players are WORLD CHAMPIONS. All those Poms that play in the EPL couldn't even qualify got the last Euros and now need an Italian to coach them. How dismal the English are with their football.

Oh and your product is better overall? Well at least our Police do a good job at belting up some of your hooligans when they come to our country and think they can make trouble. Watchout Man Utd, Aresnal and Chelsea fans when you come to Italy because the Police will give you all a beating if you step out of line. And that would be fun to watch as well after not only our players will serve a lesson to yours on the field, but our Police will serve a lesson to your hooligans.

[EwanM]

lol Rangers were a force in the 1990s but they were massive underachievers, should have done better in Europe then.

AKR I really wouldn't say that about English supporters - no country is without its hooligans, but you appear to want another violent affair such as what happened with Roma and Man Utd a few years ago.

Whereas I do not.