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[emma]

It may not be what we all would like F1 to be - but at the end of the day if this is whats needed to ensure f1 survives into the future then so be it.
When one of the largesstr car companys in the world decides that it is to expensive to compete you know something is wrong.
Bring on the changes so i can enjoy Formula one in the future with my child

Yeah. If it's a choice between a different F1 or no F1, I'd rather just put up and shut up and get used to the new changes. F1 has gone through a lot of changes in the past - it needs to evolve and adapt to keep going as a sport. At the moment, the financial situation simply means that a lot of changes are revolving around reducing costs. Doesn't mean that there won't be further changes in the future, when the financial world is back on its feet.

I really hope they don't move to the medals system. That' one thing that I REALLY don't want to have to put up with. That, the no refueling ban, and the possible shortening of races are the few things that jumped out at me as things to possibly worry about...

[EwanM]

Here is what they should do.


= fota

[vintage]

how does the ban on tire warmers reduce cost? just that teams don't have to buy them?

[cba_]

how does the ban on tire warmers reduce cost? just that teams don't have to buy them?

Think the electricity bill might go down, alot.

[darwin dali]

how does the ban on tire warmers reduce cost? just that teams don't have to buy them?

Helps reducing the number of people at the races - that's one objective to save money by reducing the crew to around 50 people.

[Denthúl]

how does the ban on tire warmers reduce cost? just that teams don't have to buy them?

Helps reducing the number of people at the races - that's one objective to save money by reducing the crew to around 50 people.

Mhm. Only a couple of people less, mind you. But the tyre warmers probably have a silly price of €5,000 each anyways, so it's a necessary step towards cost cutting, assuming that a team will have their eight for the weekend plus spares, and won't use the same sets throughout the whole season. And then there's testing...

Tyre warmers are one of those things that don't really add to or detract from the spectacle, so nobody but the very observant will notice they're gone anyway.

[darwin dali]

how does the ban on tire warmers reduce cost? just that teams don't have to buy them?

Helps reducing the number of people at the races - that's one objective to save money by reducing the crew to around 50 people.

Mhm. Only a couple of people less, mind you. But the tyre warmers probably have a silly price of €5,000 each anyways, so it's a necessary step towards cost cutting, assuming that a team will have their eight for the weekend plus spares, and won't use the same sets throughout the whole season. And then there's testing...

Tyre warmers are one of those things that don't really add to or detract from the spectacle, so nobody but the very observant will notice they're gone anyway.

Au contraire my friend, those little tire warmers may well have a quite profound impact on the race: some drivers will be better than others at dealing with cold tires after a pitstop. Some drivers/teams might even decide to try to go the full distance with the tires once the refueling is banned.

[f1ea]

I'm afraid its too many changes at once for anyone to be able to say what will come out of it...
but my guess is in the short term, no matter how much regs change, the races will be exciting; but only because the drivers/teams are super competitive. In the end a "neutralisation" of F1 will make it more similar to other series which are NOT the pinnacle of anything, so if F1 ceases to be the platform for constructors around the world to show what they can do, then constructors will undoubtedly find another place.

A budget cap, limiting revs & testing and increasing engine longevity are rational ways to cut costs without taking too much away from the spirit of F1, as so is using road-relevant technology... and maybe even increasing the number of cars per team. But others regs such as refueling ban, or a tyre blanket ban are probably not as direct, and i doubt their real efficiency in saving costs. i think their impact in F1 will be more relevant to the spectacle rather than on the money spent...

speaking of bankrupcy technological stagnation will kill F1 as it did the US auto industry: the US industry fell behind the development race! now their cars need more cylinders and Litres to give the same HP as a Jap; they need twice the weight to offer the safety of an Euro car; and they need to use cheaper materials, rather than expensive materials wisely, and so they break before their competition......... now they are at the back of the field. A pity for the millions of jobs at stake, but it is the result of wasting money on missiles rather than on development.

[FerrariFan63]

Au contraire my friend, those little tire warmers may well have a quite profound impact on the race: some drivers will be better than others at dealing with cold tires after a pitstop. Some drivers/teams might even decide to try to go the full distance with the tires once the refueling is banned.

Will we now see some teams warming up their entire garage to a higher temperature to keep the tyres a bit warmer?

[bud]

but it is the result of wasting money on missiles rather than on development.

how do private car manufacturers in the USA have anything to do with the Governments defense budget?

and Auto Industries are all networked with each other, i find it hard to believe the build quality of American cars is behind the Eruopeans or Japanses considering American car makes own companies in those markets

[Gaz]

how does the ban on tire warmers reduce cost? just that teams don't have to buy them?

Helps reducing the number of people at the races - that's one objective to save money by reducing the crew to around 50 people.

Mhm. Only a couple of people less, mind you. But the tyre warmers probably have a silly price of €5,000 each anyways, so it's a necessary step towards cost cutting, assuming that a team will have their eight for the weekend plus spares, and won't use the same sets throughout the whole season. And then there's testing...

Tyre warmers are one of those things that don't really add to or detract from the spectacle, so nobody but the very observant will notice they're gone anyway.

Au contraire my friend, those little tire warmers may well have a quite profound impact on the race: some drivers will be better than others at dealing with cold tires after a pitstop. Some drivers/teams might even decide to try to go the full distance with the tires once the refueling is banned.

Thing is, is there a safty issue?

[f1ea]

how do private car manufacturers in the USA have anything to do with the Governments defense budget?

and Auto Industries are all networked with each other, i find it hard to believe the build quality of American cars is behind the Eruopeans or Japanses considering American car makes own companies in those markets

1st question: the Iraq war price tag was about 600 Billion, its a pretty close figure to the 700 B needed to save the financial and automotive sector. Money is not created nor destroyed... only transfered Had the gov not spent this money on the war, more money could have gone to fund private and public research (and considering how long the war has taken, results from said research would have been long due), to promote public projects (hence increasing employment rates and people's buying capacity). Not to mention on of the direct consequences of the war and Bush's policies which drove oil prices sky high. Or do you think the government's budget does not affect the private german and japanese auto industries?

2nd: Build quality... oh boy. I have owned american, european and japanese built cars... bottom line is american cars break and have inefficient engines that either consume too much or dont deliver the power. The only reason people buy them is because they used to be more powerful and comfortable (and because they lose so much value its cheap to buy used). But as it is now, japanese cars are unbreakable and deliver insane the power with smaller / more technologically advanced engines. Euro cars have more features and are more expensive to keep, but are definitely safer and better designed in all ways. Regardless of who owns who. I will show some interesting figures soon...

so yeah to me research and development are the essence of F1. Its what has all the big names attached to the F1 brand and is the reason it moves so much money. Without this, F1 would be just another competitive racing series like there are dozens. And i say competitive, because no matter the series, individual competition is always there be it karting, drag racing, rally, moto... whatever.

[bud]

and again the US car makes are networked with the worlds car makes any new technologies are there for the taking or for them to sample. Using the war as an excuse is ok but you could argue over every dollar spent!
But i dunno i dont like to pigeon hole certain nations cars as all encompassing,

ive never owned American but i have owned Jap turbo's, Australian built cars and have family members with high range Europo cars and they all have issues from time to time. and build qualities are depending on the brand not the country of origin. as a Local Holden Astra is built in Germany but i wouldnt compare its build quailty with a Mercs or Beamers! while a Chrysler 300c is impressive compared!

and the Japs use boost instead of displacement to make power. not that more technologically advanced there!

[McLaren Fan]

To be honest, even the build quality of BMWs and Mercedes has been suspect in recent years. There is a lot of cheap plastic that goes into Mercedes' cars now and BMWs have big issues with clutch wear.

[7UpJordan]

To be honest, even the build quality of BMWs and Mercedes has been suspect in recent years. There is a lot of cheap plastic that goes into Mercedes' cars now and BMWs have big issues with clutch wear.

Makes British Leyland's build quality look efficient.