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[7UpJordan]

With Schumacher, however, you can't use that test fairly, for Schumacher's teammates were there to do everything he wanted.

Very true, the mark of a great WDC is to have beaten teammates on equal conditions. NB, this doesn't mean I think Michael Schumacher was a bad driver.

Moving on, I am wondering where Rubens has got his alleged "written proof" of Schumacher's tacit complicity in this affair from.

To speculate, it's unlikely he got a written transcript of the pit radio conversation at the time surely? Therefore somebody else who was party to it must have provided him with it, assumimg it exists.

I can't see either Ross Brawn or Jean Todt doing that. Nor can I see Michael Schumacher doing it. Which leaves me with Nigel Stepney. Rubens' earlier comments about a book could also point in his direction.

Some of that pit/radio conversation is on youtube. I bet Stepney knows He knows where the bodie are buried remember

Good call Sherlock.

Now where's this youtube clip of the radio transmissions?

[racechick]

Here you go
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GlPrj9a88ME

[Denthúl]

Here you go
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GlPrj9a88ME

I think Barrichello's revelation is about the events of the Austrian race the year afterwards. That was the one that caused most controversy.

[McLaren Fan]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4K5xFap4N5s&NR=1

[racechick]

Dis gus ting!!

[scotty]

stuipid. useless thread now. thanks tards

i agree... maybe it needs to be locked?

pointless - plenty of other threads to ruin, mind you this topic was always going to ruffle a few feathers ...

Most threads here degenerate into what are essentially McLaren v. Ferrari arguments, you may as well get used to it or just leave...

[texasmr2]

So in otherwords your calling yourself a retard you stupid [EDITED BY TEX FOR IMMATURITY AND LANGUAGE].

thats a harsh comeback

OMG that is frickin hilarious coming from you bud ! One thing is forsure you have a great sense of humor !
Actually that is reality, sorry if you dont like it, maybe I should ban myself?

Scotty is right concerning his last comment, 99.99% of the thread's here turn into a Ferrari VS McLaren ego festival so the member who guess's who is the bigger lamb/instigator team of such arguments win's the award of actually being the most perceptive and rational member of the week!!

The contest officially start's on Moday 12/01/08 and run's until Friday.

[Gaz]

So in otherwords your calling yourself a retard you stupid [EDITED BY TEX FOR IMMATURITY AND LANGUAGE].

thats a harsh comeback

he asked for it calling me a bloody retard.

[8-ball]

Texas, the one common factor I've found with every McLaren supporter on every discussion board is a burning desire to take as much of Schumacher's success away from him as possible.

It just brings a smile to my face, because it shows they are all bleeding still from his success...

You have not considered the distinction between drivers and teams. The majority of McLaren fans hold similar views as myself. Formula One is a team sport, so it makes no difference to me whether it be Schumacher or Hitler winning titles for Ferrari. Although I personally feel team orders should be used as little as possible, their use is perfectly fine. Ferrari's world drivers' and constructors' titles in the so-called Schumacher era are legitimate. McLaren simply didn't do a good enough job. We were beaten by the better for the most part. The distinction I am making is between the team game and the driver game. In my view, if you want to be regarded as a legendary driver, you have to beat your teammate on equal terms. It's the oldest saying in Formula One: the best way to gauge a driver's performance is to see how he does against his teammate. With Schumacher, however, you can't use that test fairly, for Schumacher's teammates were there to do everything he wanted. Irvine probably wiped Schumacher's arse for him.

You cannot measure the quality of a driver based on his teammate. Lewis is not the best driver in F1 but if we look at the way he trounced Heikki this year then you would think that he was.

[racechick]

Texas, the one common factor I've found with every McLaren supporter on every discussion board is a burning desire to take as much of Schumacher's success away from him as possible.

It just brings a smile to my face, because it shows they are all bleeding still from his success...

You have not considered the distinction between drivers and teams. The majority of McLaren fans hold similar views as myself. Formula One is a team sport, so it makes no difference to me whether it be Schumacher or Hitler winning titles for Ferrari. Although I personally feel team orders should be used as little as possible, their use is perfectly fine. Ferrari's world drivers' and constructors' titles in the so-called Schumacher era are legitimate. McLaren simply didn't do a good enough job. We were beaten by the better for the most part. The distinction I am making is between the team game and the driver game. In my view, if you want to be regarded as a legendary driver, you have to beat your teammate on equal terms. It's the oldest saying in Formula One: the best way to gauge a driver's performance is to see how he does against his teammate. With Schumacher, however, you can't use that test fairly, for Schumacher's teammates were there to do everything he wanted. Irvine probably wiped Schumacher's arse for him.

You cannot measure the quality of a driver based on his teammate. Lewis is not the best driver in F1 but if we look at the way he trounced Heikki this year then you would think that he was.

Its the best measure we have.
Yes Lewis is












in my opinion

[deMuRe]

I hate all McLaren supporters, because they remind me of Ron Dennis, so I guess we are united by our enemies ;p

Dobro (Good). We share a comon interest, although I don't hate McLaren supporters i just hate Ron Dennis, Lewis Hamilton and McLaren. But that is good enough. Allies until the end we are.

You going to invade woking then?

Nuh, just Lewis Hamilton's place. You guys will be totally useless without him, not that he is anything super special anyway.

scared much

I am not scared of any stupid git!

well if youre not scared you wouldnt feel the need to put him and McLaren down so much eh youre more transparent than glass

You seem to foget who started this argument, bunch of f@rking retards, case in point, McCheater supporters are toilet...

an argument? you see simpleton i was referring to AKR's posts in not only this thread but all in regards to Lewis and McLaren. so case in point seems to be stuck up your arse manure

Talking about my @ss again Bud? Keep your fantasies to yourself mate...

[bud]

I hate all McLaren supporters, because they remind me of Ron Dennis, so I guess we are united by our enemies ;p

Dobro (Good). We share a comon interest, although I don't hate McLaren supporters i just hate Ron Dennis, Lewis Hamilton and McLaren. But that is good enough. Allies until the end we are.

You going to invade woking then?

Nuh, just Lewis Hamilton's place. You guys will be totally useless without him, not that he is anything super special anyway.

scared much

I am not scared of any stupid git!

well if youre not scared you wouldnt feel the need to put him and McLaren down so much eh youre more transparent than glass

You seem to foget who started this argument, bunch of f@rking retards, case in point, McCheater supporters are toilet...

an argument? you see simpleton i was referring to AKR's posts in not only this thread but all in regards to Lewis and McLaren. so case in point seems to be stuck up your arse manure

Talking about my @ss again Bud? Keep your fantasies to yourself mate...