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[la-ultima-curva]

i wouldn't call schumi's career a sham, but he was no saint and shouldn't pretend to be.

btw i am not taking anything away from the man's talent, which i feel he had ample of. i am just trying to hilight the fact that ruben's has every reason to bear a grudge and is entitled to speak about it. although i reckon the viado comment from ruben's (massa was party to that too) was uncalled for.

[2eyebrows]

ruben's has every reason to bear a grudge and is entitled to speak about it .

He probably does, but he was perfectly happy to stick out for a good few more seasons. He knew and understood is role just fine.

although i reckon the viado comment from ruben's (massa was party to that too) was uncalled for

yes ... but a funny i must be honest.

[AKR]

and AKR you say youre knowledgeable about F1, youre not knowledgeable about respect or fair sportsmanship far from it!

I am tifosa not sportiva. My dad always tells me that. Maybe you and him can be best friends. I am happy to maximise all winning chances. If Ferrari did more for Schumacher, well he did more for Ferrari to develop the car so it is fair. If it wasn't for Schumacher the car wouldn't of been as good and Barrichello would still be as crap as he always has been and will be.

[racechick]

and AKR you say youre knowledgeable about F1, youre not knowledgeable about respect or fair sportsmanship far from it!

I am tifosa not sportiva. My dad always tells me that. Maybe you and him can be best friends. I am happy to maximise all winning chances. If Ferrari did more for Schumacher, well he did more for Ferrari to develop the car so it is fair. If it wasn't for Schumacher the car wouldn't of been as good and Barrichello would still be as crap as he always has been and will be.

Barrichello is certainly not crap. And who knows how well he might have developped the Ferrari, he wasnt allowed, it all went Michaels way. He bested Michael on several occassions. Also when Michael couldnt get a set-up he nicked Rubens'.
That said AKR I do admire your loyalty

[deMuRe]

From F1 Live:

Rubens Barrichello has this week continued his tirade against Ferrari and Michael Schumacher.

The veteran Brazilian, whose record-setting formula one career looks at an end, has followed through with his promise to one day reveal more about his six-year tenure with the famous Italian team.

On the Brazilian TV programme Fantastico, he claims he was threatened with the sack while he led the infamous 2002 Austrian Grand Prix.

While circulating in front of Schumacher, Barrichello said he was told over the radio: "Do you know that Michael is behind you? It's important for the championship."

He said his conversation with the pits lasted for eight laps, before an ultimatum was presented on the final tour.

"The intensity of the conversation increased with every lap. And then I was told to think about my contract," said Barrichello.

"For me it was clear - take your foot off the gas or you will be going home."

Barrichello said he was appalled by the turn of events, and asked Schumacher afterwards if he had anything to do with the decision.

"He said he had nothing to do with it, but I have the documents at home to prove that he was aware of everything that took place," the 36-year-old insisted.

Source: GMM
© CAPSIS International

As shameful as many of Schumacher's victory were and as much as I feel fans have a right to know about things like this, I can't help but feel Barrichello is generating publicity for his book, whenever he writes it.

At least Ferrari have the balls to admit they have team orders, looks like Rubens is out of a drive and he's looking at his results over the years and is not happy.

[McLaren Fan]

In all honestly one may percieve that it is the same with McLaren and Lewis as it was with Ferrari and Schumacher, right? Why is it so bad and determined to be outlandish behavior on Ferrari's part when any other team with any sort of common sense would do the same with a driver of such caliber?

Seem's to me jealousy over Michael dominating for 5yr's straight is still stuck in the craw of those other team fan's who where beaten.

Loving all your excuses Longbow as they are brilliant, oh sorry I meant pathetic/typical .

You use one thing (that Hamilton and McLaren are somehow like Schumacher and Ferrari respectively) as the base for your next point. As your base is so flimsy, the rest of your argument isn't worth considering.

Formula One fans have a right to know how Schumacher's victories and titles were won. The only pathetic and typical one on here is you. You are simply stuck in denial that Schumacher's career was ably assisted by the likes of Barrichello. Perhaps if you weren't in one of your aggressive mood swings you'd see jealousy isn't dominating anything. Longbow praised Schumacher's skill and I said that I had no problems with Ferrari's setup.

[deMuRe]

In all honestly one may percieve that it is the same with McLaren and Lewis as it was with Ferrari and Schumacher, right? Why is it so bad and determined to be outlandish behavior on Ferrari's part when any other team with any sort of common sense would do the same with a driver of such caliber?

Seem's to me jealousy over Michael dominating for 5yr's straight is still stuck in the craw of those other team fan's who where beaten.

Loving all your excuses Longbow as they are brilliant, oh sorry I meant pathetic/typical .

Texas, the one common factor I've found with every McLaren supporter on every discussion board is a burning desire to take as much of Schumacher's success away from him as possible.

It just brings a smile to my face, because it shows they are all bleeding still from his success...

[2eyebrows]

In all honestly one may percieve that it is the same with McLaren and Lewis as it was with Ferrari and Schumacher, right? Why is it so bad and determined to be outlandish behavior on Ferrari's part when any other team with any sort of common sense would do the same with a driver of such caliber?

Seem's to me jealousy over Michael dominating for 5yr's straight is still stuck in the craw of those other team fan's who where beaten.

Loving all your excuses Longbow as they are brilliant, oh sorry I meant pathetic/typical .

Texas, the one common factor I've found with every McLaren supporter on every discussion board is a burning desire to take as much of Schumacher's success away from him as possible.

It just brings a smile to my face, because it shows they are all bleeding still from his success...

and now there are probaly a great many Ferrari fans trying to take way from Hami's success. tit for tat.

[deMuRe]

In all honestly one may percieve that it is the same with McLaren and Lewis as it was with Ferrari and Schumacher, right? Why is it so bad and determined to be outlandish behavior on Ferrari's part when any other team with any sort of common sense would do the same with a driver of such caliber?

Seem's to me jealousy over Michael dominating for 5yr's straight is still stuck in the craw of those other team fan's who where beaten.

Loving all your excuses Longbow as they are brilliant, oh sorry I meant pathetic/typical .

Texas, the one common factor I've found with every McLaren supporter on every discussion board is a burning desire to take as much of Schumacher's success away from him as possible.

It just brings a smile to my face, because it shows they are all bleeding still from his success...

and now there are probaly a great many Ferrari fans trying to take way from Hami's success. tit for tat.

Correct, however the difference is Ferrari/Schumacher came out and said "Yes, we have team orders, this is how we work."

There was no deception or marketing speeches, no Gentlemen's agreements at the first corner, no "Holier then thou" attitude...

[la-ultima-curva]

In all honestly one may percieve that it is the same with McLaren and Lewis as it was with Ferrari and Schumacher, right? Why is it so bad and determined to be outlandish behavior on Ferrari's part when any other team with any sort of common sense would do the same with a driver of such caliber?

Seem's to me jealousy over Michael dominating for 5yr's straight is still stuck in the craw of those other team fan's who where beaten.

Loving all your excuses Longbow as they are brilliant, oh sorry I meant pathetic/typical .

Texas, the one common factor I've found with every McLaren supporter on every discussion board is a burning desire to take as much of Schumacher's success away from him as possible.

It just brings a smile to my face, because it shows they are all bleeding still from his success...

and now there are probaly a great many Ferrari fans trying to take way from Hami's success. tit for tat.

Correct, however the difference is Ferrari/Schumacher came out and said "Yes, we have team orders, this is how we work."

There was no deception or marketing speeches, no Gentlemen's agreements at the first corner, no "Holier then thou" attitude...

please don't be ignorant. they majority of mclaren supporters here, including myslef, which have an appreciation of the sport, have an innate respect for schumi's ability, skill and sheer brilliance at reading the track and his/and other driver's track position. no one will dispute that.
just don't go saying all mclaren fans are sore losers and trying discredit his achievements... you couldn't be more wrong.
as much as i would like to know the in's and out's of ferrari's teams orders, i would also like to know of mclaren's!!

why do ferrari fans always have to jump to conclusions and point fingers based purely on assumptions?
talk about pathetic

[deMuRe]

In all honestly one may percieve that it is the same with McLaren and Lewis as it was with Ferrari and Schumacher, right? Why is it so bad and determined to be outlandish behavior on Ferrari's part when any other team with any sort of common sense would do the same with a driver of such caliber?

Seem's to me jealousy over Michael dominating for 5yr's straight is still stuck in the craw of those other team fan's who where beaten.

Loving all your excuses Longbow as they are brilliant, oh sorry I meant pathetic/typical .

Texas, the one common factor I've found with every McLaren supporter on every discussion board is a burning desire to take as much of Schumacher's success away from him as possible.

It just brings a smile to my face, because it shows they are all bleeding still from his success...

and now there are probaly a great many Ferrari fans trying to take way from Hami's success. tit for tat.

Correct, however the difference is Ferrari/Schumacher came out and said "Yes, we have team orders, this is how we work."

There was no deception or marketing speeches, no Gentlemen's agreements at the first corner, no "Holier then thou" attitude...

please don't be ignorant. they majority of mclaren supporters here, including myslef, which have an appreciation of the sport, have an innate respect for schumi's ability, skill and sheer brilliance at reading the track and his/and other driver's track position. no one will dispute that.
just don't go saying all mclaren fans are sore losers and trying discredit his achievements... you couldn't be more wrong.
as much as i would like to know the in's and out's of ferrari's teams orders, i would also like to know of mclaren's!!

why do ferrari fans always have to jump to conclusions and point fingers based purely on assumptions?
talk about pathetic

I'm a Red Bull fan now actually, however I'm always happy to do a bit of McLaren bashing when there fans are getting above their station ;p

[la-ultima-curva]

once a ferrari fan, always a ferrari fan

[AKR]

In all honestly one may percieve that it is the same with McLaren and Lewis as it was with Ferrari and Schumacher, right? Why is it so bad and determined to be outlandish behavior on Ferrari's part when any other team with any sort of common sense would do the same with a driver of such caliber?

Seem's to me jealousy over Michael dominating for 5yr's straight is still stuck in the craw of those other team fan's who where beaten.

Loving all your excuses Longbow as they are brilliant, oh sorry I meant pathetic/typical .

Texas, the one common factor I've found with every McLaren supporter on every discussion board is a burning desire to take as much of Schumacher's success away from him as possible.

It just brings a smile to my face, because it shows they are all bleeding still from his success...

and now there are probaly a great many Ferrari fans trying to take way from Hami's success. tit for tat.

Correct, however the difference is Ferrari/Schumacher came out and said "Yes, we have team orders, this is how we work."

There was no deception or marketing speeches, no Gentlemen's agreements at the first corner, no "Holier then thou" attitude...

please don't be ignorant. they majority of mclaren supporters here, including myslef, which have an appreciation of the sport, have an innate respect for schumi's ability, skill and sheer brilliance at reading the track and his/and other driver's track position. no one will dispute that.
just don't go saying all mclaren fans are sore losers and trying discredit his achievements... you couldn't be more wrong.
as much as i would like to know the in's and out's of ferrari's teams orders, i would also like to know of mclaren's!!

why do ferrari fans always have to jump to conclusions and point fingers based purely on assumptions?
talk about pathetic

I'm a Red Bull fan now actually, however I'm always happy to do a bit of McLaren bashing when there fans are getting above their station ;p

You changed teams? Ma che cazzo?????????????????????????????? Quello non si può fare, ma che tipo di tifoso sei???? (You cannot do that, what kind of a supporter are you?).

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once a ferrari fan, always a ferrari fan

too true

[Gaz]

In all honestly one may percieve that it is the same with McLaren and Lewis as it was with Ferrari and Schumacher, right? Why is it so bad and determined to be outlandish behavior on Ferrari's part when any other team with any sort of common sense would do the same with a driver of such caliber?

Seem's to me jealousy over Michael dominating for 5yr's straight is still stuck in the craw of those other team fan's who where beaten.

Loving all your excuses Longbow as they are brilliant, oh sorry I meant pathetic/typical .

What excuses am i making? you want to take a shot at me then back it up with somthing explain to me why you think i am making "pathetic or typical" remarks

I'm not Jelous of Schui i'm saying He won 7 titles some with Rubens Help, and that i think if Senna hadn't of died he wouldn't won of many.

Thats my opinion now you may not agree with it

Your acting like a little Kid mate, your a mod stop it.