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FJuan wrote:I didn't realise HK had such a great sense of humour.I think its a funny thing for him to say too, especially since he hasnt even driven next years car yet.
No disrespect but he'll be Lewis's biatch again next year.
jsonf1 wrote:And ofcourse driving at P1 isn´t any easier than driving in P6 behind Jarno Trulli with your logical thinking right? They can´t tell what Kovi is able to do untill they give him the chance to prove it....Im not sure what Kovi's fuel was in the last race but most of the time in that race Lewis was under strict instructions to be very conserevative and he was heavy. Kovi had every chance to show what he could do, even if he ultimately had to give Lewis the place he could have shown what he can do. lewis was driving well within himself, Kovi had no reason to be conservative but he could not even do battle with Alonso, Vettel or Kimmi.
racechick wrote:And obviosly the teams most important thing in the last race was that Heikki will be fast? I´m sure they spent all their resources on Heikki in the last race, c´mon........jsonf1 wrote:And ofcourse driving at P1 isn´t any easier than driving in P6 behind Jarno Trulli with your logical thinking right? They can´t tell what Kovi is able to do untill they give him the chance to prove it....Im not sure what Kovi's fuel was in the last race but most of the time in that race Lewis was under strict instructions to be very conserevative and he was heavy. Kovi had every chance to show what he could do, even if he ultimately had to give Lewis the place he could have shown what he can do. lewis was driving well within himself, Kovi had no reason to be conservative but he could not even do battle with Alonso, Vettel or Kimmi.
He had a chance to show what he can do, he's had several chances this year and some of them on the lighter strategy.
He will not be able to match Lewis next year. No way.
jsonf1 wrote:The McLaren is fast enough without enormous resources being spent on it for the last race, though actually McLaren did spend more on developments for that race than at any other time. TO BOTH CARS!! Still Heikki did not perform. They cannot drive the car for him by remote control, c'mon.......racechick wrote:And obviosly the teams most important thing in the last race was that Heikki will be fast? I´m sure they spent all their resources on Heikki in the last race, c´mon........jsonf1 wrote:And ofcourse driving at P1 isn´t any easier than driving in P6 behind Jarno Trulli with your logical thinking right? They can´t tell what Kovi is able to do untill they give him the chance to prove it....Im not sure what Kovi's fuel was in the last race but most of the time in that race Lewis was under strict instructions to be very conserevative and he was heavy. Kovi had every chance to show what he could do, even if he ultimately had to give Lewis the place he could have shown what he can do. lewis was driving well within himself, Kovi had no reason to be conservative but he could not even do battle with Alonso, Vettel or Kimmi.
He had a chance to show what he can do, he's had several chances this year and some of them on the lighter strategy.
He will not be able to match Lewis next year. No way.
McLaren Fan wrote:Kovalainen got all of the upgrades etc. to make his car go faster. The fact of the matter is that in the Brazilian Grand Prix, Hamilton was not trying to win the race; he was racing for fifth. Kovalainen was McLaren's best chance of winning the race, and guess what: he was nowhere; his final classification was 7th, which is absolutely pathetic given that at the very least he had the second-fastest car of the weekend. jsonf1 has no idea what he is talking about. It must be one of the most elaborate conspiracy theories ever that McLaren spend millions of pounds and hundreds of man hours trying to sort out Kovalainen's problems, give his car various new upgrades etc. to sabotage his races and for the team not to want to win the constructors' title.Going faster wouldn't help, though, would it? The upgrade that would help the most is one that, for a single race, couldn't really be developed. The way that the car uses its tyres is a part of its core design, so there weren't too many upgrades that could have made that situation better for him without making radical changes to the car. His best bet now will be next year's car, because at least he'll now be in the development frame right from the start. Remember that the MP4-23 would have begun development with Alonso in mind, so if Kovalainen's driving style was different, then obviously there would be issues. The question is, how much of a difference in style do they have?
McLaren Fan wrote:The car accounts for part of the problem no doubt, but Kovalainen received a lot of attention at the Technology Centre and couldn't get his problems sorted. Kovalainen himself admits he hasn't done a good enough job this season. But that's the point of this thread. jsonf1 is trying to say McLaren were sabotaging Kovalainen's season, which is ludicrous. In fact, come to think of it, jsonf1 is the eejit who was trying to claim Ferrari were conspiring against Raikkonen and acting in favour of Massa over the winter and early in the season, despite the fact Massa was close to being given the sack!This is true. There has been no evidence of McLaren sabotaging Kovalainen's season. At the most, you could say that they deliberately mis-marked his tyres so that they were on the wrong sides because he showed the pace necessary to win in Fuji and they didn't want him to challenge Lewis in the final two races, just in case, but even that is completely far-fetched. My only complaint about McLaren's (otherwise-perfect) treatment of Kovalainen is that they didn't give him a light strategy earlier on in the season. He out-qualified and out-performed Hamilton on the heavier load in Malaysia, so I would've expected a lighter strategy in Bahrain, but that didn't come.
McLaren Fan wrote:The car accounts for part of the problem no doubt, but Kovalainen received a lot of attention at the Technology Centre and couldn't get his problems sorted. Kovalainen himself admits he hasn't done a good enough job this season. But that's the point of this thread. jsonf1 is trying to say McLaren were sabotaging Kovalainen's season, which is ludicrous. In fact, come to think of it, jsonf1 is the eejit who was trying to claim Ferrari were conspiring against Raikkonen and acting in favour of Massa over the winter and early in the season, despite the fact Massa was close to being given the sack!You want to point out where I said that?
jsonf1 wrote:you've suggested it several times in this forum saying that kovi only did so baldy because Mclaren's fuel strategy for himMcLaren Fan wrote:The car accounts for part of the problem no doubt, but Kovalainen received a lot of attention at the Technology Centre and couldn't get his problems sorted. Kovalainen himself admits he hasn't done a good enough job this season. But that's the point of this thread. jsonf1 is trying to say McLaren were sabotaging Kovalainen's season, which is ludicrous. In fact, come to think of it, jsonf1 is the eejit who was trying to claim Ferrari were conspiring against Raikkonen and acting in favour of Massa over the winter and early in the season, despite the fact Massa was close to being given the sack!You want to point out where I said that?
C'mon show it.................
Dude you need to get your head out of "there"
Denthúl wrote:Yes the car uses its tyres heavily, it had to do that to get the most out of it. In fact lewis was the driver who was harder on tyres so actually the car was more of a handicap to lewis than Heikki. McLaren made a conscious effort to develop the car in a direction that was diametrically opposite to Lewis' style...because they knew the car would deliver more that way. They put the drivers in simulators to adapt their driving to the new car. lewis adapted Heiki didnt(and lewis was further away to start with!!) This is why Heikki did so badly at Silverstone and leiws did well. heikki couldnt cope with the way the car had developped and had to have (winglets?? well some aero devices, and something that affected , I think the air intake?? but im not sure....) on his car to help him out, this stoped the car benifitting from form the developments.McLaren Fan wrote:Kovalainen got all of the upgrades etc. to make his car go faster. The fact of the matter is that in the Brazilian Grand Prix, Hamilton was not trying to win the race; he was racing for fifth. Kovalainen was McLaren's best chance of winning the race, and guess what: he was nowhere; his final classification was 7th, which is absolutely pathetic given that at the very least he had the second-fastest car of the weekend. jsonf1 has no idea what he is talking about. It must be one of the most elaborate conspiracy theories ever that McLaren spend millions of pounds and hundreds of man hours trying to sort out Kovalainen's problems, give his car various new upgrades etc. to sabotage his races and for the team not to want to win the constructors' title.Going faster wouldn't help, though, would it? The upgrade that would help the most is one that, for a single race, couldn't really be developed. The way that the car uses its tyres is a part of its core design, so there weren't too many upgrades that could have made that situation better for him without making radical changes to the car. His best bet now will be next year's car, because at least he'll now be in the development frame right from the start. Remember that the MP4-23 would have begun development with Alonso in mind, so if Kovalainen's driving style was different, then obviously there would be issues. The question is, how much of a difference in style do they have?
There were things that could be done on both sides, but with this year's car, he probably wouldn't have been able to perform quite as well as Lewis. Maybe closer than he did, maybe not. We'll find out next year.
Unless McLaren are going to be out to get him again.
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Your a absolute cretin who has no understanding of the sport you need to stop chatting utter bs
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