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#78103
Before I write anything else, I want to make clear that I have been watching F1 for a long time, and have not missed a race since 1984. I'm not mentioning that as a boast or to claim authority over F1, I'm saying it to demonstrate that I have lived through and seen a number of controversies in F1. There was the Lauda / Prost championship where they ended up separated by just 0.5 of a point, there was Monaco 1984 with Prost winning over Senna, where it seemed the stewards bowed to pressure to halt the race when in just one lap Senna would have been leading. There were the various 'racing incidents' from 1989 and 1990. Then came the TC and LC issue with Benetton in 1994. The braking issues with McLaren in the late 90's. Right up to date there was Schumi-gate in Monaco 2006, spygate last year and this year we've had the steward issues, inexplicable decisions, Spa and more. I understand the technical issues relating to F1, the design issues, driving issues, logisitcs etc. I know how to interpret a lot of the data produced in terms of braking, acceleration, tyre pressures, G-force etc.

Yesterday however, was drama not controversy.

Anybody with an any decent F1 knowledge, that is over the age of 13 and not utterly blinkered beyond reason will know that Glock had an impossible task on his hands in trying to keep his car in contention in the conditions at the end of the race. I've seen some idiots / naive people here on other threads say it didn't look that wet. Well let me tell you that a wide camera view doesn't show you the detail. Close ups of the track, for anybody that has HD will show you that it was beginning to get very wet with around 2-3 laps to go. By the last lap it was beginning to tip down.

Glock was around 12 seconds off the pace on his second to last lap, and around 24 seconds off the pace in his last lap. If you watch just before Vettel and Hamilton pass, and just after, he is clearly fighting to keep the car pointing in the correct direction.

Dry tyres in the wet are near impossible to drive in as they retain no heat, and thus the tyre temperature drops reducing traction still further. It's a vicious circle that there is NO way out of unless you change to inters or wets.

Glock took the gamble that when everybody else pitted for inters or wets, he could stay out, get relatively high in the points then hope that the rain stopped, and he would benefit. It didn't, and he didn't end of story!

There is nothing more to it. There is no controversy. He took a gamble and it didn't pay off.

For those saying that isn't the case, you do realise that Glock did not cruise in directly behind Hamilton? He finished 6 seconds behind. Being so far off the pace (in the space of last corner to finishing line), attempting to resist a car on inters getting past was not only futile, it would have been outright dangerous. Two or three cars managed to unlap themselves from Glock in the process also not just Hamilton and Vettel!

To the blinkered idiots - as that is all that you are - stop clutching at straws, grow up and accept that the quickest driver over the course of the 18 race season won the title fair and square. There is no controversy about it.
#78105
I should add also, that I really felt for both Massa and his family / team, as it was a cruel way for him to lose in the end. It must have been extremely bitter-sweet for him standing on the podium. He should be proud though, as this season I believe he has silenced 99% of his detractors. I'll fully admit I was one of those not convinced by Massa's ability before this season, and indeed after a couple of driver errors at the beginning of 2008, but he has impressed me greatly this season and demonstrated that he deserves his Ferrari seat on merit. I hope he does manage to pick up a WDC in the future sometime. He undoubtedly deserves to.
#78110
I think there's a lot less conspiracy theory than people seem to believe. 99% of these threads, if not more, is people responding to the perception that there is a conspiracy concerning Glock. And I think that poster is quite likely a simple troll, quite possibly a McLaren fan.
#78115
Hmm, I see that, although I have seen the subject touted not only on other boards as well as this forum, but on official news sources too. I just find it a bit pathetic that people often are so blinkered by bias or immaturity that they can't accept what is legitimate and what might be questionable. Belgium this year was questionable, though ultimately I believe correct. The Bourdais / Massa incident was not only questionable but downright wrong. In past years the legitimacy of McLaren winning with their dodgy third brake pedal was questionable etc. etc.

This issue is not a controversy, yet even official media sources have latched on to the possibility of a controversy existing, and it's just downright not!
#78117
As soon as you push hard on dries in a really wet condition you will end up in the wall.

If Glock was really intrested in giving Hamilton the championship he could of easily insisted on coming into the pits for a tire change.

We see in every race which heavy rain pours - if you are on dries you will lose 20 - 30 seconds a lap (depending on the circuit). That is fact!
#78118
As soon as you push hard on dries in a really wet condition you will end up in the wall.

If Glock was really intrested in giving Hamilton the championship he could of easily insisted on coming into the pits for a tire change.

We see in every race which heavy rain pours - if you are on dries you will lose 20 - 30 seconds a lap (depending on the circuit). That is fact!


Absolutely. Look at Spa this year. You can see how hard it was for the drivers to keep the cars on the track. Ultimately, a slow puncture that would probably not have affected Kimi in the dry for a number of laps did, as his tyre temperature dropped in the wet causing the pressure to lower also. This in turn resulted in Kimi ending up in the wall due to having an unbalanced car.

F1 cars on dry set up + wet track = crash waiting to happen.
#78122
Let's settle this now. Dry tyres in the wet, stupidity. Trulli's time was almost exactly the same. In any case, Lewis really won it at SPA. Notice no comment from the Nazi son of Haw Haw. Congratulations Lewis, a job well done. Don't leave it 'til the wire next year. :clap::clap:
#78427
man there are so many threads. feel like they are spilling all over the place. but anyway like many poeple have said anyone with half a mind knows this toyota crap is exactly that. all you need to do is point at spa frankly simular conditions to monza simular laps to go ect. people like alonso were catapaulted up the grid thanks to the early gamble on wet tyres wich likewise happend yesterday. Some people also did not go onto the inters hoping to finish before it became to hard. kimi & lewis @ spa and glock @ interlagos.

to those who think glock pulled over.. what the hell ? review any race footage of that final 2 corners you WILL CLEARLY notice glock running wide and struggling for grip on the slope up to the pit straight. IF glock had pulled over why would he risk lossing his 6th place to heikki ? aswell look at the timings of the finish

5 22 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes + 38.907 secs
6 12 Timo Glock Toyota + 44.368 secs

He simply would not be that far behind .EXAMPLE : lewis hamilton backs off and lets kimi Räikkönen though lewis is not far behind on the timings at the end of sector 2 at spa - at interlagos glock is 5.2 seconds behind hamilton wich is a LONG way.


once again i probly made no sense and havent got my point across. i just think all this glock stuff is more than obv ferrari fans being bitter loosers. take a page out of felipe's book would you.


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