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[racechick]

I find it funny how people are congratulating McLaren . Newsflash: Mclaren did not win anything. They lost big time. It was Hamilton who won. And as far as winning is concerned, in a few years when LH is driving for another team, he can care less where he won his WDC's. All he cares about is how many WDC he has under his belt.

Mercedes should be considering their future without Ron Dennis. This guy has put LH ahead of ML/Mercedes. Poor HK because he had to play the #2. His competitiveness was slightly hindered by the heavy fuel load that was imposed on him and therefore scoring less points which helped Ferrari win the WCC.

McLaren were at the top of their game this year yet they lost to Ferrari again and Hamilton could only win by 1 point . I know there are a lot of people on this forum who dislike Alonso but he would have done much better than Hamilton.

Alonso would have been able to secure the WDC at least 2 races ago because he would have committed less mistakes. Also, he would have helped McLaren secure more points. To me that would have been the smart move that RD should have made. Again, RD has put LH ahead of the team.

Dude, live up to your name and keep it to the facts, not some deluded fantasy.

Yeh it should be FantasyMan or perhaps Gobsh*teMan or StuffIMakeUpMan

Ive been saying that for a while i call him Inthedark man...but beware..he doesnt like it

[ManCityFC]

I find it funny how people are congratulating McLaren . Newsflash: Mclaren did not win anything. They lost big time. It was Hamilton who won. And as far as winning is concerned, in a few years when LH is driving for another team, he can care less where he won his WDC's. All he cares about is how many WDC he has under his belt.
I think the team provided the car, therefore it is a team effort and team win.

Mercedes should be considering their future without Ron Dennis. This guy has put LH ahead of ML/Mercedes. Poor HK because he had to play the #2. His competitiveness was slightly hindered by the heavy fuel load that was imposed on him and therefore scoring less points which helped Ferrari win the WCC. Seriously, did Ferrari put Shumy above everybody else too, and did Ferrari put Massa ahead of Kimi this season? If Kovi had performed, Lewis would have had to take a back seat. Stop posting rubbish like this. It's just not true at all.

McLaren were at the top of their game this year yet they lost to Ferrari again and Hamilton could only win by 1 point . I know there are a lot of people on this forum who dislike Alonso but he would have done much better than Hamilton. Lewis would have won by 7 more points had the stewards not have made some god-awful Ferrari biased judgements and Alonso was up against Lewis last season if you remember, and he didn't do much better.

Alonso would have been able to secure the WDC at least 2 races ago because he would have committed less mistakes. Also, he would have helped McLaren secure more points. To me that would have been the smart move that RD should have made. Again, RD has put LH ahead of the team.

Why didn't he do that last season then? Grow up

See comments above. You should change your name from Fact Man to Incorrect Fact Man!

[ManCityFC]

I find it funny how people are congratulating McLaren . Newsflash: Mclaren did not win anything. They lost big time. It was Hamilton who won. And as far as winning is concerned, in a few years when LH is driving for another team, he can care less where he won his WDC's. All he cares about is how many WDC he has under his belt.

Mercedes should be considering their future without Ron Dennis. This guy has put LH ahead of ML/Mercedes. Poor HK because he had to play the #2. His competitiveness was slightly hindered by the heavy fuel load that was imposed on him and therefore scoring less points which helped Ferrari win the WCC.

McLaren were at the top of their game this year yet they lost to Ferrari again and Hamilton could only win by 1 point . I know there are a lot of people on this forum who dislike Alonso but he would have done much better than Hamilton.

Alonso would have been able to secure the WDC at least 2 races ago because he would have committed less mistakes. Also, he would have helped McLaren secure more points. To me that would have been the smart move that RD should have made. Again, RD has put LH ahead of the team.

Alonso didnt do so well when he had the chance!

Ohhhh, me the sour grapes? Sure sure. Alonso did very well at Renault beating Ferrari/MS twice. At least he delivered the WCC to Renault and not just winning the WDC. And last year he matched LH in points. But look at what he achieved with Renault in the past 4-5 races. I doubt LH would have been able to develop the car that way. But that's my biased point of view, right, because you guys are not biased at all I'm not trying to steel the joy from Hamilton's win. All I'm saying, winning the WDC alone is not much.

I think you will find that Lewis upheld his part of the WCC deal. Kovi has had a dreadful season, that's why Ferrari won it. Pillock.

[Fact Man]

I find it funny how people are congratulating McLaren . Newsflash: Mclaren did not win anything. They lost big time. It was Hamilton who won. And as far as winning is concerned, in a few years when LH is driving for another team, he can care less where he won his WDC's. All he cares about is how many WDC he has under his belt.

Mercedes should be considering their future without Ron Dennis. This guy has put LH ahead of ML/Mercedes. Poor HK because he had to play the #2. His competitiveness was slightly hindered by the heavy fuel load that was imposed on him and therefore scoring less points which helped Ferrari win the WCC.

McLaren were at the top of their game this year yet they lost to Ferrari again and Hamilton could only win by 1 point . I know there are a lot of people on this forum who dislike Alonso but he would have done much better than Hamilton.

Alonso would have been able to secure the WDC at least 2 races ago because he would have committed less mistakes. Also, he would have helped McLaren secure more points. To me that would have been the smart move that RD should have made. Again, RD has put LH ahead of the team.

Dude, live up to your name and keep it to the facts, not some deluded fantasy.

deluded fantasy. Please read my post again and "try to use your brain" to understand what I said. Did McLaren win the WDC? NO. Is HK the #2, most likely....Please put your emotions aside and use your intelligence sometimes. I get it Hamilton is your God for winning a WDC. Good for him but how about McLaren? Drivers come and go but teams tend to stick around. When was the last time McLaren won a WCC? Thank you.

[Gaz]

I find it funny how people are congratulating McLaren . Newsflash: Mclaren did not win anything. They lost big time. It was Hamilton who won. And as far as winning is concerned, in a few years when LH is driving for another team, he can care less where he won his WDC's. All he cares about is how many WDC he has under his belt.

Mercedes should be considering their future without Ron Dennis. This guy has put LH ahead of ML/Mercedes. Poor HK because he had to play the #2. His competitiveness was slightly hindered by the heavy fuel load that was imposed on him and therefore scoring less points which helped Ferrari win the WCC.

McLaren were at the top of their game this year yet they lost to Ferrari again and Hamilton could only win by 1 point . I know there are a lot of people on this forum who dislike Alonso but he would have done much better than Hamilton.

Alonso would have been able to secure the WDC at least 2 races ago because he would have committed less mistakes. Also, he would have helped McLaren secure more points. To me that would have been the smart move that RD should have made. Again, RD has put LH ahead of the team.

Alonso didnt do so well when he had the chance!

Ohhhh, me the sour grapes? Sure sure. Alonso did very well at Renault beating Ferrari/MS twice. At least he delivered the WCC to Renault and not just winning the WDC. And last year he matched LH in points. But look at what he achieved with Renault in the past 4-5 races. I doubt LH would have been able to develop the car that way. But that's my biased point of view, right, because you guys are not biased at all I'm not trying to steel the joy from Hamilton's win. All I'm saying, winning the WDC alone is not much.

Yeh he matched a rookie in points wow he did well there! he came 3rd in the standings Lewis beat him.

it takes two to win a WDC and kovi wasn't as good as kimi.

You also talk about car development well the Mclaren has been developed pretty well over the year futhermore you forget that alonso has been in the sport alot longer than lewis so he should have experience in car development however i'd say that was mostly renault and a little bit alonso.

Your just being a total Muppet really making stupid points because your bitter that Hamilton won.

[Fact Man]

I find it funny how people are congratulating McLaren . Newsflash: Mclaren did not win anything. They lost big time. It was Hamilton who won. And as far as winning is concerned, in a few years when LH is driving for another team, he can care less where he won his WDC's. All he cares about is how many WDC he has under his belt.

How did they lose "big time"? They were still second in the constructors championship, 21 points behind Ferrari but still 16 points ahead of BMW, 71 points ahead of Renault, 95 points ahead of Toyota, and on down from there. They totally dominated everybody (but Ferrari) "big time".

The rivalry is between Ferrari and McLaren

Mercedes should be considering their future without Ron Dennis. This guy has put LH ahead of ML/Mercedes. Poor HK because he had to play the #2. His competitiveness was slightly hindered by the heavy fuel load that was imposed on him and therefore scoring less points which helped Ferrari win the WCC.

So..., teams have never had a clear number one and a clear number two? Unless I've been following the wrong sport all this time, there's always been a number one and a number two, and HK was the obvious number two. He's a decent driver and all, but he just isn't on par with Hamilton. McLaren didn't have to give HK the number two treatment, because he landed himself in the number two spot all on his own.

I thought everyone is equal at McLaren? no #1 and #2!

McLaren were at the top of their game this year yet they lost to Ferrari again and Hamilton could only win by 1 point . I know there are a lot of people on this forum who dislike Alonso but he would have done much better than Hamilton.

Kimi only won by a single point (:yawn:) last season, so... what was your point there again?

No one is talking about last year with all the cheating!

Alonso would have been able to secure the WDC at least 2 races ago because he would have committed less mistakes. Also, he would have helped McLaren secure more points. To me that would have been the smart move that RD should have made. Again, RD has put LH ahead of the team.

Yeah, it kinda sounds like you're talking about Hamilton last season, where he had twelve podiums and only landed outside the points twice. The only problem is that driving great doesn't always secure the championship with two races to go if the guy right behind you is finishing right along beside you. Alonso had his chance to "have done much better than Hamilton" last season and he didn't do it, and definitely didn't do it with two races to go. He had his chance to do what you've ranted about in 2007 and failed to deliver anything that Hamilton didn't deliver.

Please clarify it where did you read that I was talking about last year?

[ManCityFC]

I find it funny how people are congratulating McLaren . Newsflash: Mclaren did not win anything. They lost big time. It was Hamilton who won. And as far as winning is concerned, in a few years when LH is driving for another team, he can care less where he won his WDC's. All he cares about is how many WDC he has under his belt.

Mercedes should be considering their future without Ron Dennis. This guy has put LH ahead of ML/Mercedes. Poor HK because he had to play the #2. His competitiveness was slightly hindered by the heavy fuel load that was imposed on him and therefore scoring less points which helped Ferrari win the WCC.

McLaren were at the top of their game this year yet they lost to Ferrari again and Hamilton could only win by 1 point . I know there are a lot of people on this forum who dislike Alonso but he would have done much better than Hamilton.

Alonso would have been able to secure the WDC at least 2 races ago because he would have committed less mistakes. Also, he would have helped McLaren secure more points. To me that would have been the smart move that RD should have made. Again, RD has put LH ahead of the team.

Dude, live up to your name and keep it to the facts, not some deluded fantasy.

deluded fantasy. Please read my post again and "try to use your brain" to understand what I said. Did McLaren win the WDC? NO. Is HK the #2, most likely....Please put your emotions aside and use your intelligence sometimes. I get it Hamilton is your God for winning a WDC. Good for him but how about McLaren? Drivers come and go but teams tend to stick around. When was the last time McLaren won a WCC? Thank you.

Deluded Fantasy....ha ha ha ha ha. Are you on acid? I read your posts and they are totally rubbish points. McLaren provided the team and technology to win. Grow up. If a footballer scores a winning goal, does the team not win the game. Fuct Man more like.

[Fact Man]

It's funny how the LH/ML fans call anyone who disagrees with them all kind of names. That's called hypocrisy because you get upset when others don't agree with you. But so what? Please mature like you hero Hamilton

It's also funny seeing you guys coming out in defend of every criticism against LH! So what...

Yes he won the WDC but to me the WCC is what matters the most because it's for the whole team.
Please enjoy it for as long as you wish but I doubt McLaren will win any WCC any time soon. So sad...

[nikon133]

At the end of the day, this is why I'm still watching F1 (even if it happens once in a decade). Period.

I thought Lewis and McLaren were too conservative with strategy - even if you need only position 5, you do want to have a bit of reserve, just in case; and it almost came to that "just in case". However, Lewis finally managed to keep his head cool and his buttons (pun intended) under control; well done! I've already seen him out of track or something once Vettel got him, but he just kept on going and it paid back. Brilliant. I respect him for this performance much more than for any of his utterly dominant victories.

Vettel is a killer, by the way. I want to see him in winning team ASAP, preferably in McLaren for 2010 (at least if Heiki fails to improve next year - sorry Hanna).

Moment to remember? Joy to despair (in just a few seconds) on Massa's family faces as they followed Vettel leading Lewis, just to realize a moment later that, even if Vettel managed to stay up front, Glock didn't. That, and Massa's tears. Priceless. I'm not much of his fan, but I really felt sorry for the guy.

I'm still not in love with Lewis either, but he is the youngest F1 champion ever, and that will be something very hard to rip him off. Hopefully his maturing will proceed in better direction.

[bud]

Fact Man youre still around? how sad

[racechick]

Fact Man youre still around? how sad

Hi Bud. You bin celebratin?? I have

[nikon133]

It's funny how the LH/ML fans call anyone who disagrees with them all kind of names. That's called hypocrisy because you get upset when others don't agree with you. But so what? Please mature like you hero Hamilton

It's also funny seeing you guys coming out in defend of every criticism against LH! So what...

Yes he won the WDC but to me the WCC is what matters the most because it's for the whole team.
Please enjoy it for as long as you wish but I doubt McLaren will win any WCC any time soon. So sad...

At the end of the day, that is what most fans are doing. Once BMW (or any other) gets to big wins, their fans will change as well; it is a human nature. When your team is out of real competition, you are reasonable and willing to accept others' opinions, but as soon as your team aims for the top, gloves are off.

I tend to agree that, if McLaren played a bit different (more reasonable?) with Alonso last year, they'd likely have 2 WDC and 1 WCC from the last 2 seasons; instead they have only one WCC. I also happen to think LH would be even better person/driver/whole packet now if he was made to be rookie last year.

But, hey, this is his title and his moment of fame and, even if he is hardly aware that this forum even exist - let the celebration begins!

[bud]

Fact Man youre still around? how sad

Hi Bud. You bin celebratin?? I have

sure have anna, i want to make Brundles "yessssss" as Lewis crossed the finish line as my ringtone

[racechick]

Fact Man youre still around? how sad

Hi Bud. You bin celebratin?? I have

sure have anna, i want to make Brundles "yessssss" as Lewis crossed the finish line as my ringtone

Excellent

[dant]

Im just absoloutly laughing my nuts off at the Ferrari fans on here claiming it was cheating on Glocks part for letting him through.

Im sorry but team mate or no team mate, Kimi did the same thing in China to le Massa through, so Lewis could have finished behind Glock anyway and still won it of that had not happened.

YOUR ALL JUST A BUNCH OR SORE LOSERS.

FACT.