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[Fact Man]

Fantasic picture, here's to 2009, here's to BBC and no more feking adverts, ITV ruined the bloody series with the constant breaks

It's amazing how excited everyone is except for HK. That tells it all. His team has let him down and rendered him uncompetitive for the sake of Hamilton.

[Gaz]

Fantasic picture, here's to 2009, here's to BBC and no more feking adverts, ITV ruined the bloody series with the constant breaks

It's amazing how excited everyone is except for HK. That tells it all. His team has let him down and rendered him uncompetitive for the sake of Hamilton.

LOL lol lol lol

haha and lol some more.

[racechick]

From autosport.com:

McLaren hail 'special' Hamilton

By Simon Strang Sunday, November 2nd 2008, 21:27 GMT

McLaren sporting director Dave Ryan has hailed newly-crowned world champion Lewis Hamilton as 'special' after watching his driver clinch a dramatic title in an epic season finale in Brazil.

According to Ryan, who was team manager when Ayrton Senna and Mika Hakkinen both won back-to-back successes at both ends of the 1990, there is a lot more to come from Hamilton.

"This is really special," Ryan told ITV after witnessing Hamilton become the sport's youngest ever title holder. "I've really enjoyed every world championship I have been part of, but this is special. Lewis is fantastic.

"The guys on the team have done just a brilliant job this year, the factory has pushed so hard and it's all come together.

"This is only the beginning I think - the kid is magic. He was so special when he arrived and look what he has done. You couldn't write this. He is going to go a long way."

Hamilton won the championship by taking fifth position from Timo Glock on the final corner of the last lap, and Ryan said he couldn't remember a more dramatic and tense season finale.

"I've never experienced anything like it," he said. "We had it, we lost it for a minute there, and then it all came back in the last corner or two. It was just fantastic.

"It was out of our control, and when we thought it was gone we were just gutted. We thought not again, but, well, he's a bit special isn't he. He just did a great job and I'm speechless."

I think Dave Ryan, one of McLaren's longstanding Kiwi contingent, sums up how everybody involved with McLaren was feeling.

Also, in terms of McLaren's staff, the long-serving Steve Hallam is leaving the team to go to NASCAR, so it was nice to send him off with a title.

Have to agree with dave Ryan " The kid is magic" !

[ManCityFC]

Totally agree. Glock should have fought for his spot. BS that he's been on the wrong tires because he was on the last corner. He was on the last corner! How come he managed to stay ahead of Hamilton & Vettel for 2 laps while it was raining but not the LAST corner.

Anyways, McLaren did not win the WCC and that says it all. Hamilton cares about himself. He can't deliver the title to his team. Ferrari beats McLaren again as usual. Ron Dennis would rather give it to his boy than win the WCC.

I've already talked about Toyota. The team took a gamble and it didn't pay off. Simply, Glock was on the wrong tires in torrential rain. By the last lap, the track was in a terrible state. He should be applauded for keeping on the track in such conditions.

McLaren did not win the constructors' championship, but that's got nothing to do with Hamilton this season. Yeah, he made some mistakes, but he's a young lad who can only improve as he gets older and wiser. When you consider his experience, he's done very well. The single-biggest reason for McLaren not winning the constructors' title is Kovalainen. Quite simply, he didn't pull his weight this season. It was also true that the MP4-23 had some teething problems and was a little bit harder on its tyres than the Ferrari, so it was always going to get done over in a stint in the race.

Lewis did NOT deserve the drivers title PERIOD. Macca has never given Kovi the smallest chance to race for the title(Just look how many times Kovi had the possibility to start with a lighter car this year?) So basically Lewis has been given everything that other teams has to split with two drivers. To me it wouldn´t matter that much because Kubica was out of the battle all ready but it´s just such a shame to see something like this going on in the greatest racing class in the world.
Sorry Lewis but I have no respect for you, you will never be a champ because champions are people who earn their championship........

What a lot of trash. Kovalainen has only himself to blame for not being in title contention. Despite the best efforts of everybody at McLaren, he wasn't up to standard. Initially, he could afford to run heavier fuel strategies than Hamilton because he generally took less out of his tyres. His race pace, however, was poor because he took a lot out of his rear tyres. As a result, he could not be given the shorter-fuel strategy, for he would not have the race pace to build up a sufficient lead for the first round of pit stops. Hamilton, though, did have the race pace to build up a sufficient gap so as not to be passed in the pits. Then, as the season progressed, Hamilton got on top of his tyre problem by changing his driving style. Kovalainen, on the other hand, was not able to.

Well said McFan and it's refreshing that someone on here understands F1. Today was a great example of why Kovi has had a poor season. He has done a poor job overall and Ferrari should be glad that Alonso isn't still at McLaren or they would have lost the constructors months ago. They would also have lost the drivers championship long ago too, as if Hami had someone pushing him, like last year, he would have had a better season IMO.

[Fact Man]

I find it funny how people are congratulating McLaren . Newsflash: Mclaren did not win anything. They lost big time. It was Hamilton who won. And as far as winning is concerned, in a few years when LH is driving for another team, he can care less where he won his WDC's. All he cares about is how many WDC he has under his belt.

Mercedes should be considering their future without Ron Dennis. This guy has put LH ahead of ML/Mercedes. Poor HK because he had to play the #2. His competitiveness was slightly hindered by the heavy fuel load that was imposed on him and therefore scoring less points which helped Ferrari win the WCC.

McLaren were at the top of their game this year yet they lost to Ferrari again and Hamilton could only win by 1 point . I know there are a lot of people on this forum who dislike Alonso but he would have done much better than Hamilton.

Alonso would have been able to secure the WDC at least 2 races ago because he would have committed less mistakes. Also, he would have helped McLaren secure more points. To me that would have been the smart move that RD should have made. Again, RD has put LH ahead of the team.

[Gaz]

I find it funny how people are congratulating McLaren . Newsflash: Mclaren did not win anything. They lost big time. It was Hamilton who won. And as far as winning is concerned, in a few years when LH is driving for another team, he can care less where he won his WDC's. All he cares about is how many WDC he has under his belt.

Mercedes should be considering their future without Ron Dennis. This guy has put LH ahead of ML/Mercedes. Poor HK because he had to play the #2. His competitiveness was slightly hindered by the heavy fuel load that was imposed on him and therefore scoring less points which helped Ferrari win the WCC.

McLaren were at the top of their game this year yet they lost to Ferrari again and Hamilton could only win by 1 point . I know there are a lot of people on this forum who dislike Alonso but he would have done much better than Hamilton.

Alonso would have been able to secure the WDC at least 2 races ago because he would have committed less mistakes. Also, he would have helped McLaren secure more points. To me that would have been the smart move that RD should have made. Again, RD has put LH ahead of the team.

[McLaren Fan]

I find it funny how people are congratulating McLaren . Newsflash: Mclaren did not win anything. They lost big time. It was Hamilton who won. And as far as winning is concerned, in a few years when LH is driving for another team, he can care less where he won his WDC's. All he cares about is how many WDC he has under his belt.

Mercedes should be considering their future without Ron Dennis. This guy has put LH ahead of ML/Mercedes. Poor HK because he had to play the #2. His competitiveness was slightly hindered by the heavy fuel load that was imposed on him and therefore scoring less points which helped Ferrari win the WCC.

McLaren were at the top of their game this year yet they lost to Ferrari again and Hamilton could only win by 1 point . I know there are a lot of people on this forum who dislike Alonso but he would have done much better than Hamilton.

Alonso would have been able to secure the WDC at least 2 races ago because he would have committed less mistakes. Also, he would have helped McLaren secure more points. To me that would have been the smart move that RD should have made. Again, RD has put LH ahead of the team.

I've suddenly come over all sleepy.

[racechick]

I find it funny how people are congratulating McLaren . Newsflash: Mclaren did not win anything. They lost big time. It was Hamilton who won. And as far as winning is concerned, in a few years when LH is driving for another team, he can care less where he won his WDC's. All he cares about is how many WDC he has under his belt.

Mercedes should be considering their future without Ron Dennis. This guy has put LH ahead of ML/Mercedes. Poor HK because he had to play the #2. His competitiveness was slightly hindered by the heavy fuel load that was imposed on him and therefore scoring less points which helped Ferrari win the WCC.

McLaren were at the top of their game this year yet they lost to Ferrari again and Hamilton could only win by 1 point . I know there are a lot of people on this forum who dislike Alonso but he would have done much better than Hamilton.

Alonso would have been able to secure the WDC at least 2 races ago because he would have committed less mistakes. Also, he would have helped McLaren secure more points. To me that would have been the smart move that RD should have made. Again, RD has put LH ahead of the team.

Alonso didnt do so well when he had the chance!

[sprinter]

No matter what you comment to McLaren team, still LH is the champion. Ferrari has their own strategy and every has it's own tragedy. It's a motorsports, except for me what happen at SPA. That is bullpo. WELL DONE LH & HK. Till next year..........

[big ron]

I find it funny how people are congratulating McLaren . Newsflash: Mclaren did not win anything. They lost big time. It was Hamilton who won. And as far as winning is concerned, in a few years when LH is driving for another team, he can care less where he won his WDC's. All he cares about is how many WDC he has under his belt.

Mercedes should be considering their future without Ron Dennis. This guy has put LH ahead of ML/Mercedes. Poor HK because he had to play the #2. His competitiveness was slightly hindered by the heavy fuel load that was imposed on him and therefore scoring less points which helped Ferrari win the WCC.

McLaren were at the top of their game this year yet they lost to Ferrari again and Hamilton could only win by 1 point . I know there are a lot of people on this forum who dislike Alonso but he would have done much better than Hamilton.

Alonso would have been able to secure the WDC at least 2 races ago because he would have committed less mistakes. Also, he would have helped McLaren secure more points. To me that would have been the smart move that RD should have made. Again, RD has put LH ahead of the team.

Dude, live up to your name and keep it to the facts, not some deluded fantasy.

[ManCityFC]

Fantasic picture, here's to 2009, here's to BBC and no more feking adverts, ITV ruined the bloody series with the constant breaks

It's amazing how excited everyone is except for HK. That tells it all. His team has let him down and rendered him uncompetitive for the sake of Hamilton.

LOL lol lol lol

haha and lol some more.

Can I just add....ha ha ha lol ha ha ha. Learn about F1 before writing posts like that. Gimp.

[Red Baron M3]

Hello, everyone this is my first post and wanted to say (in my opinion) that Hamilton's win was suspicious. Don't take me wrong I love Hamilton and I think he's a fantastic driver but Glock's move was suspicious. I can understand team orders but these guys were no teamates.

[Gaz]

I find it funny how people are congratulating McLaren . Newsflash: Mclaren did not win anything. They lost big time. It was Hamilton who won. And as far as winning is concerned, in a few years when LH is driving for another team, he can care less where he won his WDC's. All he cares about is how many WDC he has under his belt.

Mercedes should be considering their future without Ron Dennis. This guy has put LH ahead of ML/Mercedes. Poor HK because he had to play the #2. His competitiveness was slightly hindered by the heavy fuel load that was imposed on him and therefore scoring less points which helped Ferrari win the WCC.

McLaren were at the top of their game this year yet they lost to Ferrari again and Hamilton could only win by 1 point . I know there are a lot of people on this forum who dislike Alonso but he would have done much better than Hamilton.

Alonso would have been able to secure the WDC at least 2 races ago because he would have committed less mistakes. Also, he would have helped McLaren secure more points. To me that would have been the smart move that RD should have made. Again, RD has put LH ahead of the team.

Dude, live up to your name and keep it to the facts, not some deluded fantasy.

Yeh it should be FantasyMan or perhaps Gobsh*teMan or StuffIMakeUpMan

[Fact Man]

I find it funny how people are congratulating McLaren . Newsflash: Mclaren did not win anything. They lost big time. It was Hamilton who won. And as far as winning is concerned, in a few years when LH is driving for another team, he can care less where he won his WDC's. All he cares about is how many WDC he has under his belt.

Mercedes should be considering their future without Ron Dennis. This guy has put LH ahead of ML/Mercedes. Poor HK because he had to play the #2. His competitiveness was slightly hindered by the heavy fuel load that was imposed on him and therefore scoring less points which helped Ferrari win the WCC.

McLaren were at the top of their game this year yet they lost to Ferrari again and Hamilton could only win by 1 point . I know there are a lot of people on this forum who dislike Alonso but he would have done much better than Hamilton.

Alonso would have been able to secure the WDC at least 2 races ago because he would have committed less mistakes. Also, he would have helped McLaren secure more points. To me that would have been the smart move that RD should have made. Again, RD has put LH ahead of the team.

Alonso didnt do so well when he had the chance!

Ohhhh, me the sour grapes? Sure sure. Alonso did very well at Renault beating Ferrari/MS twice. At least he delivered the WCC to Renault and not just winning the WDC. And last year he matched LH in points. But look at what he achieved with Renault in the past 4-5 races. I doubt LH would have been able to develop the car that way. But that's my biased point of view, right, because you guys are not biased at all I'm not trying to steel the joy from Hamilton's win. All I'm saying, winning the WDC alone is not much.

[IceManpjn]

I find it funny how people are congratulating McLaren . Newsflash: Mclaren did not win anything. They lost big time. It was Hamilton who won. And as far as winning is concerned, in a few years when LH is driving for another team, he can care less where he won his WDC's. All he cares about is how many WDC he has under his belt.

How did they lose "big time"? They were still second in the constructors championship, 21 points behind Ferrari but still 16 points ahead of BMW, 71 points ahead of Renault, 95 points ahead of Toyota, and on down from there. They totally dominated everybody (but Ferrari) "big time".

Mercedes should be considering their future without Ron Dennis. This guy has put LH ahead of ML/Mercedes. Poor HK because he had to play the #2. His competitiveness was slightly hindered by the heavy fuel load that was imposed on him and therefore scoring less points which helped Ferrari win the WCC.

So..., teams have never had a clear number one and a clear number two? Unless I've been following the wrong sport all this time, there's always been a number one and a number two, and HK was the obvious number two. He's a decent driver and all, but he just isn't on par with Hamilton. McLaren didn't have to give HK the number two treatment, because he landed himself in the number two spot all on his own.

McLaren were at the top of their game this year yet they lost to Ferrari again and Hamilton could only win by 1 point . I know there are a lot of people on this forum who dislike Alonso but he would have done much better than Hamilton.

Kimi only won by a single point (:yawn:) last season, so... what was your point there again?

Alonso would have been able to secure the WDC at least 2 races ago because he would have committed less mistakes. Also, he would have helped McLaren secure more points. To me that would have been the smart move that RD should have made. Again, RD has put LH ahead of the team.

Yeah, it kinda sounds like you're talking about Hamilton last season, where he had twelve podiums and only landed outside the points twice. The only problem is that driving great doesn't always secure the championship with two races to go if the guy right behind you is finishing right along beside you. Alonso had his chance to "have done much better than Hamilton" last season and he didn't do it, and definitely didn't do it with two races to go. He had his chance to do what you've ranted about in 2007 and failed to deliver anything that Hamilton didn't deliver.