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[KyrosV]

Independant teams are becoming more and more the bitches of F1. If you have to buy a customer engine from a manufacturer team then your considered the suchs B team! Independants teams have no hope in F1 and sadly they just make up the numbers

[Martin]

Independant teams are becoming more and more the bitches of F1. If you have to buy a customer engine from a manufacturer team then your considered the suchs B team! Independants teams have no hope in F1 and sadly they just make up the numbers

I know what you mean but F1 NEEDS more teams on the grid, at least 2, there are few manufacturers in the frame for that, especially now with the 'crunch'. However, what I don't understand is why there are not larger team sponsors, who are not car manufacturers. At the end of the day its about how much money is in the team, and how much the sponsor will benefit. Even for the big manufacturer teams they have no direct connection to the sponsor company on a day to day basis. In a way there is a risk to motor manufacturers if their car consistently under performs such as Honda, Toyota. Hondas recent retail advertising has been based on the achievement of dreams, something which the F1 team has singularly failed to do for at least 2 years.
By comparison, a company like Microsoft could gain enormous exposure but not suffer too much if the team under performs.
The most likely new teams are, I believe, existing teams in open wheel racing (GP2) with strong sponsorship and 'support from an existing team. Bernie /FIA have to make it easier for new teams to join in and not just be there to make up the numbers.
I wrote to FOM recently asking how they plan to attract new teams. No reply - surprised? NAAA

[stonemonkey]

Personally (and I know a lot of ppl will disagree with me on this) I'd rather see a specific amount of fuel available for a race, enough for the high performance of F1 but still encouraging the manufacturers to look more into efficiency that could filter down to the road side of things (giving a greener look along with things like KERS) as well as playing a part in races through strategy.

[McLaren Fan]

Personally (and I know a lot of ppl will disagree with me on this) I'd rather see a specific amount of fuel available for a race, enough for the high performance of F1 but still encouraging the manufacturers to look more into efficiency that could filter down to the road side of things (giving a greener look along with things like KERS) as well as playing a part in races through strategy.

I completely agree with that. The only thing is that do it new engines would have to be developed, and this is going to cost money.

[stonemonkey]

Personally (and I know a lot of ppl will disagree with me on this) I'd rather see a specific amount of fuel available for a race, enough for the high performance of F1 but still encouraging the manufacturers to look more into efficiency that could filter down to the road side of things (giving a greener look along with things like KERS) as well as playing a part in races through strategy.

I completely agree with that. The only thing is that do it new engines would have to be developed, and this is going to cost money.

Imagine the savings worldwide if a manufacturer managed to find a way of increasing engine efficiency by even a small fraction.

In my mind I imagine a completey free reign on engine design, type, specs, whether it's N/A, turbo or supercharged, rotary, turbine with CVT or anything else they can come up with. Yeah I agree the development costs would be massive but so could the worldwide savings but then I might just be a bit of an old hippy (with a love for racing) at heart.

[McLaren Fan]

Personally (and I know a lot of ppl will disagree with me on this) I'd rather see a specific amount of fuel available for a race, enough for the high performance of F1 but still encouraging the manufacturers to look more into efficiency that could filter down to the road side of things (giving a greener look along with things like KERS) as well as playing a part in races through strategy.

I completely agree with that. The only thing is that do it new engines would have to be developed, and this is going to cost money.

Imagine the savings worldwide if a manufacturer managed to find a way of increasing engine efficiency by even a small fraction.

In my mind I imagine a completey free reign on engine design, type, specs, whether it's N/A, turbo or supercharged, rotary, turbine with CVT or anything else they can come up with. Yeah I agree the development costs would be massive but so could the worldwide savings but then I might just be a bit of an old hippy (with a love for racing) at heart.

Again, I don't disagree, but I just indirectly pointed out that increased development costs don't fit in with Mosley's plans to save money in Formula One, either by standardising parts, introducing budget caps, or both. From now, I'll be thinking as I go along, so forgive me if my post is a little bit rambling. Independent teams could buy engines from a manufacturer, but with the engine being such a crucial part of the car, you've got think about the sport's other regulations, regarding aerodynamics, chassis design and suspension. So that the independent teams weren't getting a free lunch, as it were, and to enable them to be able to do their own thing, rather than just being a different platform to run somebody else's engine, the regulations I just mentioned would also have to be opened up a little bit. This, too, will cost a lot of money, on top of increased engine costs, so measures are still going to needed to cut costs. The more and more I think about it, the only solution that seems to work is introducing budget caps. But this, too, is not the be all and end all, as it were. Manufacturers such as Toyota and Honda have already been researching interesting new ways to power cars for the road and other racing series; so they will have a big head start over other manufacturers and independent teams. The latter probably won't be able to catch up, at least for a reasonable period.

[KyrosV]

By comparison, a company like Microsoft could gain enormous exposure but not suffer too much if the team under performs.

What if Apple had a team too? and they beat Microsoft.That would be embarasing

Imagin Linux F1! everyone will steal there ideas!!