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#75442
From F1 Live:

Single engine regime in Formula One could have moved Toyota, and like-minded manufacturers, to quit the sport.

It is believed that, at FIA President Max Mosley's meeting in Geneva this week with FOTA figures, alternative cost-cutting plans were put in place.

But these agreements may have preceded concrete threats by carmaker teams including Toyota, which was horrified at the concept of racing with an engine it did not itself devise.

"For Toyota it would be a reason to leave Formula One," Toyota Motorsport President John Howett, who accompanied FOTA President Luca di Montezemolo to the Geneva meeting, is quoted as saying by sport1.de.

Source: GMM
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Well, if it gets Toyota out of Formula One, maybe these standarised engines are the way to go after all. :hehe:

Seriously though, the idea is terrible and I hope more teams say similar things. :director:
#75443
Im actually starting to hope manufaturers split with the FiA and to be honest they both cant get along because they both want to have the top power.
#76322
From autosport.com:

FIA pushes on with standard engine plan

By Jonathan Noble Monday, October 27th 2008, 13:00 GMT

The FIA is pressing ahead with its plans for a standard engine in Formula One, after revealing on Monday that several parties have expressed an interest in applying for the tender.

In a bid to make much-needed cost cuts in F1, motor racing's governing body announced over the Chinese Grand Prix weekend that it wanted to introduce a standard engine in F1 from 2010 to 2012.

Such a move could prompt manufacturers to walk away from the sport, although F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone did question why they should do so when the move to a standard engine would save the car makers money.

Although the subject of a standard engine had appeared to move off the radar following last week's crunch meeting between FIA president Max Mosley and the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) to discuss costs cuts, a statement issued on Monday suggested the plans are still being pushed ahead at full speed.

The statement on Monday said that 'interested parties' had asked for clarifications from the FIA about several issues relating to the tender. These included the use of technologies in the engines, freight costs and the situation regarding engine changes.

The FIA also made it clear that it would ensure that manufacturers that chose to make their own standard engine would not be allowed to gain any significant performance benefit from doing so.

In response to the question about compatibility issues caused by teams sourcing engine parts themselves, the FIA said: "The FIA intends to ensure that all engines including those supplied by the tenderer are within 1% (engine power of other units) and that they remain within 1% throughout the engine's life. This being the case, it becomes irrelevant that a team which chooses to build the engine itself might do expensive work on the engine."

The FIA has also amended the deadlines for companies to submit their tender applications for both a standard engine and standard power transmission systems.

The November 7 deadline for submitting either just an engine supply deal or an engine and transmission deal together remains as originally set out.

However, should the FIA decide to award separate contracts for engine and transmission, then the tender for transmission only will be opened up once the power unit deal has been finalized. This tender process will last for a minimum of three weeks.

It is not clear which companies have expressed an interest in applying for the tender contract, but senior sources within FOTA claim an agreement is in place for none of the manufacturers currently involved in F1 to apply for the deal.

The FOTA source told autosport.com: "None of the FOTA members will apply. This has been confirmed by all the members."


Well, the plans are still going ahead. If Mosley isn't planning this, he knows how to drive a hard bargain.
#76413
From autosport.com:

Ferrari in quit threat over standard engine

By Jonathan Noble Monday, October 27th 2008, 19:16 GMT

Ferrari have issued a bombshell warning that they will reconsider their participation in Formula One if the FIA presses ahead with the introduction of a standard engine.

On a day when the FIA confirmed it was still pushing on with its plans to introduce standard engines in F1, Ferrari became the second team to publicly threaten to withdraw from the sport if the concept goes ahead.

In a statement issued following a board meeting at Ferrari's Maranello headquarters, the team made it clear that it did not believe the move to standard powerplants was right for F1.

"Whilst reiterating its wholehearted commitment to a substantial and needed reduction in costs in Formula 1, starting with propulsion, the Ferrari Board of Directors expressed strong concerns regarding plans to standardise engines as it felt that such a move would detract from the entire raison of a sport with which Ferrari has been involved continuously since 1950, a raison d'etre based principally on competition and technological development," said the statement.

"The Board of Directors expressed the opinion that should these key elements be diminished, it would have to re-evaluate, with its partners the viability of continuing its presence in the sport."

Ferrari's statement came less than an hour after Toyota team president John Howett told autosport.com that the Japanese manufacturer would almost certainly be out of F1 if the standard engine idea went ahead. Howett also suggested that other manufacturers would follow suit.

""I think you will see manufacturers potentially leaving F1 if there is a standard engine," Howett told autosport.com. "I don't think any of the manufacturers want a homogenized engine. I think the outcome depends partially on the FIA and the World Motor Sport Council, and whether they have a mind to press through with the idea."

The FIA has already opened the tender for the supply of standard engines from 2010 to 2012, with the governing body claiming several 'interested parties' had expressed an interest in applying for the deal.

Although it has widely been talked about that manufacturers would withdraw from F1 if the standard engine idea went through, Ferrari's decision to go public with their quit threat is a major development - as the Italian manufacturer have previously shied away from such dramatic statements.

It comes with Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo heading the Formula One Teams' Association's (FOTA) effort to coordinate with the FIA a package of rules changes.


This must be the biggest political stunt in the history of Formula One. It's unusual coming from Ferrari, as they've usually tried their best to stay on the side of the authorities, and reaped many benefits for doing so. Still, a real Formula One team threatening to leave is bound to make the FIA reconsider.
#76426
well, for once im pleased with ferrari, :thumbup: im really impressed, and i hope they are serious, if ferrari can say it, so can the others

thanks ferrari, [cant believe i said that]

so toyota have sort of said it, now ferrari, common renault, i hope to see u i this bunch!!
By Tony_sa
#76429
well, for once im pleased with ferrari, :thumbup: im really impressed, and i hope they are serious, if ferrari can say it, so can the others

thanks ferrari, [cant believe i said that]


you think mclaren afraid they might get a drivethrough if they say something ???

good thing the big guys start objecting
By f1maniac95
#76453
:clap::clap: Thank you Ferrari now hopefully the FIA will change its mind about the standard engine idea but if they don't and Ferrari do quit then F1 just won't be the same any more.
#76489
This was always going to happen. The manufactures involved all use F1 (to an extent) as an R&D platform to their road cars and other projects - especially the likes of Ferrari, Mercedes and so on who produce performance cars. They're happy to spend big on developing F1 engines cause they can shift the technology and knowledge gained to other areas while promoting their brand at the same time. This standard engine thing just won't happen, there's no real benefit to any of the teams; Williams, Red Bull etc already use customer engines so nothing would change for them.

Max and Bernie, what the hell goes through their heads? Why are they really trying to push this through? If they are actually wanting to cut costs, then it'll only really cut them for those teams that build engines, ie. the richest teams in the first place. EH?! :nono:
#76491
well, for once im pleased with ferrari, :thumbup: im really impressed, and i hope they are serious, if ferrari can say it, so can the others

thanks ferrari, [cant believe i said that]

so toyota have sort of said it, now ferrari, common renault, i hope to see u i this bunch!!


Yeh Merc need to say it aswell

Good Work Toyata, & *Cough* Ferrari

f*** U MOSLEY!
#76502
well, for once im pleased with ferrari, :thumbup: im really impressed, and i hope they are serious, if ferrari can say it, so can the others

thanks ferrari, [cant believe i said that]

so toyota have sort of said it, now ferrari, common renault, i hope to see u i this bunch!!


Yeh Merc need to say it aswell

Good Work Toyata, & *Cough* Ferrari

f*** U MOSLEY!


Of course Ferrari don't want a common engine it will mean that the advantage they have enjoyed for years where they have the fastest car will be pretty much erased. But it is good to see that even Ferrari know where to draw line in some situations.

This should end all talk of standard engine by the FIA. :thumbup:
#76503
That's scotched a stupid FIA idea then. Thank Gawd. Well done Ferrari and Toyota. I didn't think this could just be pushed through by Max and his cronies. Hope to see other teams coming out with similar statements soon.
#76504
Watch Mosley come out with a nice little rant revealing absolutely everything "he did for them" and "is this how you repay us?" ;):D
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