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[bud]

youre boring me

[Flynn]

Felipe is extremely underrated .... and lots of people notice the ability he has to stay on top...... Thats the reason they have for feeling theatened by him. That he may the one standing in the way of mclaren ( be they honda or merc powered - while ferrari has always been a ferrari powered vehicle ) ending their almost 10 years of drought in the winning department. This fact is putting most of them on edge that they appear willing to attack on every front. However Iwill cry with them if that nutcase hamilton blows it again this year. I will be rolling on the floor laughing so hard that i wont be able to breath. tears of joy i think it will be.

The only nutcase around here is you A true fan would not laugh at the misfortune of others.

what about the 7 points given to him by the stewards??

But what of Lewis' lost points at Canada and his pit error in Sepang, or his tyre failure in Hungary..... tail of two in the unlucky department! though Lewis has had no favours from the stewards!

When was Massa given 7 points by the stewards?

Lewis lost points at Canada by himself. Tire failure was not down to his team either.

[Denthúl]

I'm a brave man

Lewis is more consistent i mean look at the start of the season Felipe puts it in the gravel twice.

then look at Monaco, Silverstone or Monza abit of rain and you immediately see the difference

I only said over a single lap.

At both Moncao and Monza, Massa had no real issues with the rain. Had he not made that mistake in Monaco (which, to be honest, everybody was making) then he could quite easily have won the race. But we're not talking race distances here, just the one qualifying lap.

I do think Felipe is underrated because of his debut season setting the impression of him in peoples' minds, but he's not as underrated as some people think. He's good, but he only seems to be on the level of, say, Alonso and Raikkonen, on his good days.

i dunno what data youre using to base that claim but cool!

Which claim?

[bud]

When was Massa given 7 points by the stewards?

Lewis lost points at Canada by himself. Tire failure was not down to his team either.

yeah 7 points post race! 6 points in Belgium and 1 point in Japan
Tyre failure is a failure nonetheless just as an engine failure is! both cause loss of points do they not?

[cap-dude]

Sorry Bud, but your a complete bottom. Honestly, arguing with you is like trying to draw blood from a rock.
Your clearly as suborn as the FIA themselves.

The fact is the Massa has had poor reliability, and Lewis has not. Reliability is not a drivers fault, but penalities are. It only seems fair to me to take away unforced errors. But I doubt you give a damn, because your so stuck up Lewis' bottom, that he can do no wrong.

[Denthúl]

Sorry Bud, but your a complete bottom. Honestly, arguing with you is like trying to draw blood from a rock.
Your clearly as suborn as the FIA themselves.

The fact is the Massa has had poor reliability, and Lewis has not. Reliability is not a drivers fault, but penalities are. It only seems fair to me to take away unforced errors. But I doubt you give a damn, because your so stuck up Lewis' bottom, that he can do no wrong.

Really? Tell that to Bourdais.

[bud]

Sorry Bud, but your a complete bottom. Honestly, arguing with you is like trying to draw blood from a rock.
Your clearly as suborn as the FIA themselves.

The fact is the Massa has had poor reliability, and Lewis has not. Reliability is not a drivers fault, but penalities are. It only seems fair to me to take away unforced errors. But I doubt you give a damn, because your so stuck up Lewis' bottom, that he can do no wrong.

i was not aware you and i were even arguing cap dud

So you dont count tyre failure as apart of the F1 package? if you have a failure there does that not come under reliablity issues?
Massa has had 1 engine failure! and penalties are not in a drivers control especially when the people handing themout are so inconsistent and trigger happy! or in Felipe's case gun shy (Valencia, Japan)
But youre right about one thing, i dont give a damn. I dont give a damn what you think of me and quite frankly with whats happened in my life right now youre little speach and forked tongue means absolutely f*** all

[Gaz]

Sorry Bud, but your a complete bottom. Honestly, arguing with you is like trying to draw blood from a rock.
Your clearly as suborn as the FIA themselves.

The fact is the Massa has had poor reliability, and Lewis has not. Reliability is not a drivers fault, but penalities are. It only seems fair to me to take away unforced errors. But I doubt you give a damn, because your so stuck up Lewis' bottom, that he can do no wrong.

You take a shoot at the FIA there right, but then say that some of the penalties dished out are just.

bit of a hypocritical comment

Thing is Mclaren Mercedes have a great reliable car. Ferrari's been up and down with reliability all season this is not the drivers fault but the teams.

But if you drive for a team you are part of it that is that. Either way based upon all that he's had 1 engine failure and Lewis has had 1 tire failure granted Lewis got away with his but that is formula 1

[texasmr2]

Yep McLaren imho have had the best all around car this season I thought that was clear and I'm a tifosi!!

Getting my 'Texas Two Step' setup ready for all the fallout !

[csrracer]

missed reading your reply but can assume its more

head up the arse or head in the sand, either way sums you up to a tea

Yeah, yeah, yeah blow it all up your arse. You know I am right and the more you insist a conspiracy exists will go to show that your full of shiit. Man I should sing some football songs to you. Also note that Lewis Hamilton is actually leading the drivers title and is likely to win it. If a conspiracy actually existed, then the FIA-rrari as you like to call it in your make believe fantasy world, would of easily sorted Lewis Hamilton a long time ago. And believe me if a conspiracy really did exist, they would of done so no matter how good Lewis Hamilton was/is able to perform. Get your head out of you bullpoo fantasy world and face reality. No conspiracy exists. Repeat it 1000 times if need be until you convince yourself. Do it for your own sake, because if you don't. then you will be seen as a SORE LOSER. Man I am too good. And on that high I will finish off for the night. Lahko noč.

Unfortunately I think both of you are too extreme with your Team loyalties, and would consider myself a fan of certain driver's over certain teams. The big problem is that all these arguments of who is faster and what team is better, would all be a mute point had FIA not interfered with the outcome of the races. AKR you've said it in the past Max Moseley has a chip on his shoulder against Ron Dennis, and or Lewis Hamilton. All team and country bias aside Lewis was robbed out of his Spa victory. If the tables were turned and it was Massa, all the Ferrari fans would be saying Massa was robbed. The Stewards at that race made a total shambles of the rules, and took away one of the most exciteing race outcomes I've ever seen. They not only stole that win from Hamilton but they stole that win from every F1 race fan. I don't care what team you are a fan of if you think that was at all fair you need to get your head examined. Charlie Whiting was asked twice if Hamilton needed to give the position back and twice he told the Mclaren team they were OK. Hamilton was much faster than Kimi and would have went by him again somewhere else on the track. ( Not to mention they turned the other cheek and let Kimi run off the race track several times, and attempt to pass under a yellow). Furthermore Massa and Ferrari were gifted the extra point against Bourdais also. The proof is in the Pictures viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4623&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=20
Wether this is actually a FIA/Ferrari conspirecy or not will be debated for years (or until someone gets busted ). The truth of the matter is what FIA did with those Extremely controversial calls Is, They left the season open for argument and debate. The question of what Team is better and what driver is better throughout the season, should be decided on the race track, not with Lawyers, and race stewards.

[Tony_sa]

Kiki ...............about time....

[Tony_sa]

what ever floats your boat but theres no point with you, your heads firmly up Ferrari's arse its funny you cant see all the s*** around you!

and look who is talking. McLaren is firmily up your crotch and you nothing more than a sore loser because everytime your team loses, then you have to shift your mind to the make believe realm of where the FIA and the stewards favour Ferrari. You need to understand that although these realms can make you feel better, you must not confuse them with reality. In the real world no such joint-venture between the FIA/Stewards and Ferrari actual exists and one that constantly insists that it can be carried over from the make-believe realm to the real world is and will be perceived as a sore loser.

this a good one .....just love it... said so the the last time ...these two think it a fairy tale .... the should go watch barney for a while...

[Hanwombat]

I dont know whether I have replied to this topic

I do feel for Massa a little , I dont have as much respect as I used too from the beginning of this season.

[Tony_sa]

I dont know whether I have replied to this topic

I do feel for Massa a little , I dont have as much respect as I used too from the beginning of this season.

Need you to get behind him al the way .... not just feel for him - even if he loses for some unknown inexplicable reason.

[csrracer]

I dont know whether I have replied to this topic

I do feel for Massa a little , I dont have as much respect as I used too from the beginning of this season.

Need you to get behind him al the way .... not just feel for him - even if he loses for some unknown inexplicable reason.

Some unknown inexplicable reason .... Like Hamilton is faster than him, and doesn't get penalized for it ....