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[bud]

Yeah Heikki made Lewis' job easy but why hold him up when your lap times are 1 second apart? Heikki did not have Lewis' pace. Lewis went on to overtake the next two cars ahead of him. Heikki didnt.

compared to Kimi, the guy ahead hindering his own lap times so the guy behind can overtake him.

Totally different scenario

[csrracer]

if that were McLaren im sure they would have been penalised by now

Nope. If so, then how come they werent penalized in Germany?

not the same really was it?

Well, yes and no, but that's not the point. bud was only being sarcastic.

Yeah, what i'm trying to say is Lewis was actually faster whereas kimi slowed down.

it was a little more obvious.

I think they were the same. It was totally obvious that Heikki ran a wider line to let Lewis through, even so just because Raikkonen slowed down doesnt necessarily mean he was ordered to do so. He probably did it just to help Massa with the title, now I'm not saying thats why he did it but thats a possibility.

Keep in mind during that race Mclaren left LH out and brought HK into the pits after the safety car, If they brought both cars in HK would not have been ahead of LH, and would have been further down in the running order, due to waiting for LH's pit stop. Mclaren took a huge risk by keeping LH out, and having him make up position on the track after his pit stop. It was all part of their race strategy following the safety car, and it paid off with a 1st and 5th, rather than a 1st and 7th.

[Gaz]

if that were McLaren im sure they would have been penalised by now

Nope. If so, then how come they werent penalized in Germany?

not the same really was it?

Well, yes and no, but that's not the point. bud was only being sarcastic.

Yeah, what i'm trying to say is Lewis was actually faster whereas kimi slowed down.

it was a little more obvious.

I think they were the same. It was totally obvious that Heikki ran a wider line to let Lewis through, even so just because Raikkonen slowed down doesnt necessarily mean he was ordered to do so. He probably did it just to help Massa with the title, now I'm not saying thats why he did it but thats a possibility.

Keep in mind during that race Mclaren left LH out and brought HK into the pits after the safety car, If they brought both cars in HK would not have been ahead of LH, and would have been further down in the running order, due to waiting for LH's pit stop. Mclaren took a huge risk by keeping LH out, and having him make up position on the track after his pit stop. It was all part of their race strategy following the safety car, and it paid off with a 1st and 5th, rather than a 1st and 7th.

Yeh too right, and he knew it.

I was watching from the other side of that hairpin saw all three overtakes he was mint

[stonemonkey]

I have no problem with it and hope (although not 100% certain) that other teams would be allowed similar leeway in such a situation. It wasn't unexpected and I don't think the teams should be forced to mess around with pitstops or anything like that to make a switch.
Some clarification of the rules could be in order though to avoid any of the inconsistencies that have cropped up.

[MAD MAX]

It was painfully obvious what Kimi did. The sport needs a good ragging and properly regulating, a lot of the public pay a fortune to watch this sport and if there is no integrity left then we may as well pack up and watch stock car racing for a decent race, tongue in cheek I know, but there is so much skullduggery taking place that F1 is in danger of being regarded as a joke. Just my humble oppinion and without pointing any 1 finger at any team in particular

[McLaren Fan]

When you think about it, all of Formula One is filled with half-measures. Tobacco advertising is meant to be banned, but a loophole allows Ferrari to display Marlboro's barcode logo. Team orders are meant to banned, but this is very easy to circumvent. I don't have a problem with tobacco advertising or team orders, but if something is to be banned, they should stop leaving grey areas and go the whole way!

[Gaz]

When you think about it, all of Formula One is filled with half-measures. Tobacco advertising is meant to be banned, but a loophole allows Ferrari to display Marlboro's barcode logo. Team orders are meant to banned, but this is very easy to circumvent. I don't have a problem with tobacco advertising or team orders, but if something is to be banned, they should stop leaving grey areas and go the whole way!

most of the F1 rules are open to interpretation and thats a big problem.

[Reckless Rat]

It's not a big problem.




















It's a small one and it's called Bernie Eccleston

[csrracer]

There have been a lot of rules this year that have changed from race to race and from team to team, but at least for the "team orders" rule it has never been enforced, nor should it ever be enforced regardless of what team does it what part of the season it is or how badly it pisses off Drivers or fans.
Could it be in place just to appease the people who gamble on F1?

[Denthúl]

There have been a lot of rules this year that have changed from race to race and from team to team, but at least for the "team orders" rule it has never been enforced, nor should it ever be enforced regardless of what team does it what part of the season it is or how badly it pisses off Drivers or fans.
Could it be in place just to appease the people who gamble on F1?

No. I think the original implementation of it was because fans were so pissed off that the season's champion was, effectively, decided before the season even began.

[Reckless Rat]

That's cobblers. What's the point in having rules if you don't enforce them?

[Denthúl]

That's cobblers. What's the point in having rules if you don't enforce them?

I don't think you could've enforced them on Sunday. I doubt there would have been a word about it over the radio. It would all have been decided on pre-race, probably simply through other words that got the message across. If the drivers actively make the decision (which is what Raikkonen 'did' on Sunday) then you can't do anything about it.

I think it was Heidfeld in Canada who moved over for his team-mate on his own accord. I know someone did it this season, but don't quite remember who.

[MAD MAX]

I don't think you could've enforced them on Sunday. I doubt there would have been a word about it over the radio.

Talking of which, I find it sadly ironic that Ferrari do not allow us to hear their conversations on the team radio, whilst most of the other teams do,

[Denthúl]

I don't think you could've enforced them on Sunday. I doubt there would have been a word about it over the radio.

Talking of which, I find it sadly ironic that Ferrari do not allow us to hear their conversations on the team radio, whilst most of the other teams do,

Ferrari and McLaren are the only two that don't. I would like to hear all the transmissions, too, as I think that hearing the conversations between the driver and his engineer adds another interesting factor to watching races.

[csrracer]

Everyone involved in F1 knows it's a BS rule, They have never enforced it and hopefully they never will.