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[Rorschach]

There's absolutely no logic in your thinking. What does he need to do for you to consider him a team player if letting his teammate pass him isn't enough, cause that's all he can do? Kamikaze into the side of Hamiltons Mclaren screaming "this is for you Massa and Ferrari!!!". Would that make him a team player?

Nice. I agree with you btw. Not sure how Kimi following team orders makes him anything other than a team player. He may be moody at times or even difficult but he did the right thing for the team.

[woody2goody]

I still believe BMW screwed Heidfeld over a bit in Canada with team orders so Kubica could win.

They are my favourite team and drivers but Nick deserved the victory that day IMO.

[prozac26]

Yeh i agree.

least it works out well for Mclaren

I don't know about you, but it seems everybody at McLaren were blubbering when he said he was going to Ferrari. Even Ron Dennis was basically begging him to stay. His time at McLaren was one whinge after another, he sometimes wasn't fit enough to set consistent laps throughout the race and was poor at developing the car (as Scandinavian drivers sometimes tend to be; it took Hakkinen a year or two to perfect this area of Formula One driving).

I wa abit gutted because he is a good driver he did frustrate me abit but JPM was worse in the sense he was too hot headed so kimi didn't seam as bad.

Leave JPM alone!! He was a class act

He sure was...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGlTo0w8ReM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGlTo0w8ReM

[Gaz]

After what he did in China I don't see how anyone can say he is not a team player nor can I see how someone can be "disgusted" that he doesn't care how Felipe does in the WDC. He's not friends with Felippe, so why the hell should he care?

Oh come on, it was "team orders" and he owed Massa.

Christ.

Yes, the team expected him to let Massa by and he did just that and if that doesn't make him a team player then nothing will.

It don't he never will be thats how Kimi has always done it.

There's absolutely no logic in your thinking. What does he need to do for you to consider him a team player if letting his teammate pass him isn't enough, cause that's all he can do? Kamikaze into the side of Hamiltons Mclaren screaming "this is for you Massa and Ferrari!!!". Would that make him a team player?

He's not a team player because of what he said about Massa, you wouldn't hear Hekki comming out and saying that.

Or Massa saying that about him last year just because he's a world champion don't mean he gets to have a chip on his shoulder.

[Gaz]

STFU

Typing STFU on a discussion board.......amazing.....
And YES, Ferrari don´t need to go as low as Macca
It´s sad how you have to go many years back to make a comment about this.......and mentioning MS(The godfather of dirty games)........you are bright, all I can say...

oh i can go much closer to the present,

yesterday and Brazil 07

explain what you mean? "And YES, Ferrari don´t need to go as low as Macca"

otherwise take Hanah's advice and stfu you mug.

Heikki and Lewis ring a bell?
At the early part of the season??

Oh you mean Germany well it was slightly diffrent wasn't it.

In China Kimi had to slow right down to let Massa past yet in Germany Lewis Gained on Hekki and he just let him past.

Lewis was faster and able to win the race and therefore Hekki made it easy for him.

Yes, yes and Heikki did want to give away valuable points to his teammate at that part of the season Whatever......

I don't think it was about the points it was about the win at Mercades' home race Hekki didn't have the pace Lewis did.

He would of overtook Hekki anyway he just made it easyer because he's a team player.

[McLaren Fan]

STFU

Typing STFU on a discussion board.......amazing.....
And YES, Ferrari don´t need to go as low as Macca
It´s sad how you have to go many years back to make a comment about this.......and mentioning MS(The godfather of dirty games)........you are bright, all I can say...

oh i can go much closer to the present,

yesterday and Brazil 07

explain what you mean? "And YES, Ferrari don´t need to go as low as Macca"

otherwise take Hanah's advice and stfu you mug.

Heikki and Lewis ring a bell?
At the early part of the season??

Oh you mean Germany well it was slightly diffrent wasn't it.

In China Kimi had to slow right down to let Massa past yet in Germany Lewis Gained on Hekki and he just let him past.

Lewis was faster and able to win the race and therefore Hekki made it easy for him.

Yes, yes and Heikki did want to give away valuable points to his teammate at that part of the season Whatever......

I don't think it was about the points it was about the win at Mercades' home race Hekki didn't have the pace Lewis did.

He would of overtook Hekki anyway he just made it easyer because he's a team player.

Looking at it from a selfish perspective, it was in Kovalainen's interests to let Hamilton by anyway. He would only have been compromising his own strategy looking in his mirrors all of the time and driving defensively.

[Gaz]

STFU

Typing STFU on a discussion board.......amazing.....
And YES, Ferrari don´t need to go as low as Macca
It´s sad how you have to go many years back to make a comment about this.......and mentioning MS(The godfather of dirty games)........you are bright, all I can say...

oh i can go much closer to the present,

yesterday and Brazil 07

explain what you mean? "And YES, Ferrari don´t need to go as low as Macca"

otherwise take Hanah's advice and stfu you mug.

Heikki and Lewis ring a bell?
At the early part of the season??

Oh you mean Germany well it was slightly diffrent wasn't it.

In China Kimi had to slow right down to let Massa past yet in Germany Lewis Gained on Hekki and he just let him past.

Lewis was faster and able to win the race and therefore Hekki made it easy for him.

Yes, yes and Heikki did want to give away valuable points to his teammate at that part of the season Whatever......

I don't think it was about the points it was about the win at Mercades' home race Hekki didn't have the pace Lewis did.

He would of overtook Hekki anyway he just made it easyer because he's a team player.

Looking at it from a selfish perspective, it was in Kovalainen's interests to let Hamilton by anyway. He would only have been compromising his own strategy looking in his mirrors all of the time and driving defensively.

Yeh and there is a very distinct difference to making it easy to over take and slowing right down so your the slowest car on the track to let your team mate catch up and overtake.

it was almost comical what Ferrari did, don't get me wrong if for some reason hekki has to do that for lewis i won't complain but if i were massa i would be abit embarrassed.

[TheOak]

After what he did in China I don't see how anyone can say he is not a team player nor can I see how someone can be "disgusted" that he doesn't care how Felipe does in the WDC. He's not friends with Felippe, so why the hell should he care?

Oh come on, it was "team orders" and he owed Massa.

Christ.

Yes, the team expected him to let Massa by and he did just that and if that doesn't make him a team player then nothing will.

It don't he never will be thats how Kimi has always done it.

There's absolutely no logic in your thinking. What does he need to do for you to consider him a team player if letting his teammate pass him isn't enough, cause that's all he can do? Kamikaze into the side of Hamiltons Mclaren screaming "this is for you Massa and Ferrari!!!". Would that make him a team player?

He's not a team player because of what he said about Massa, you wouldn't hear Hekki comming out and saying that.

Or Massa saying that about him last year just because he's a world champion don't mean he gets to have a chip on his shoulder.

He said he thinks that it would be nice for Massa and the team if Massa won but personally if he's not going to win he doesn't care that much. I bet every single racing driver feels exactly the same.

[Gaz]

After what he did in China I don't see how anyone can say he is not a team player nor can I see how someone can be "disgusted" that he doesn't care how Felipe does in the WDC. He's not friends with Felippe, so why the hell should he care?

Oh come on, it was "team orders" and he owed Massa.

Christ.

Yes, the team expected him to let Massa by and he did just that and if that doesn't make him a team player then nothing will.

It don't he never will be thats how Kimi has always done it.

There's absolutely no logic in your thinking. What does he need to do for you to consider him a team player if letting his teammate pass him isn't enough, cause that's all he can do? Kamikaze into the side of Hamiltons Mclaren screaming "this is for you Massa and Ferrari!!!". Would that make him a team player?

He's not a team player because of what he said about Massa, you wouldn't hear Hekki comming out and saying that.

Or Massa saying that about him last year just because he's a world champion don't mean he gets to have a chip on his shoulder.

He said he thinks that it would be nice for Massa and the team if Massa won but personally if he's not going to win he doesn't care that much. I bet every single racing driver feels exactly the same.

yeh your right F1 is a cold heartless passionless sport full of Kimi's

[racechick]

Yeh i agree.

least it works out well for Mclaren

I don't know about you, but it seems everybody at McLaren were blubbering when he said he was going to Ferrari. Even Ron Dennis was basically begging him to stay. His time at McLaren was one whinge after another, he sometimes wasn't fit enough to set consistent laps throughout the race and was poor at developing the car (as Scandinavian drivers sometimes tend to be; it took Hakkinen a year or two to perfect this area of Formula One driving).

I wa abit gutted because he is a good driver he did frustrate me abit but JPM was worse in the sense he was too hot headed so kimi didn't seam as bad.

Leave JPM alone!! He was a class act

He sure was...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGlTo0w8ReM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGlTo0w8ReM

Love it!! Love him!! Got loads of good ones of him on youtube

[TheOak]

After what he did in China I don't see how anyone can say he is not a team player nor can I see how someone can be "disgusted" that he doesn't care how Felipe does in the WDC. He's not friends with Felippe, so why the hell should he care?

Oh come on, it was "team orders" and he owed Massa.

Christ.

Yes, the team expected him to let Massa by and he did just that and if that doesn't make him a team player then nothing will.

It don't he never will be thats how Kimi has always done it.

There's absolutely no logic in your thinking. What does he need to do for you to consider him a team player if letting his teammate pass him isn't enough, cause that's all he can do? Kamikaze into the side of Hamiltons Mclaren screaming "this is for you Massa and Ferrari!!!". Would that make him a team player?

He's not a team player because of what he said about Massa, you wouldn't hear Hekki comming out and saying that.

Or Massa saying that about him last year just because he's a world champion don't mean he gets to have a chip on his shoulder.

He said he thinks that it would be nice for Massa and the team if Massa won but personally if he's not going to win he doesn't care that much. I bet every single racing driver feels exactly the same.

yeh your right F1 is a cold heartless passionless sport full of Kimi's

No, you're right and F1 racing drivers are like one big happy family and at the end of the season every driver goes and hughs the new WDC and says: "Oh, it's so wonderful that you won, makes me completely forget that I didn't. Oh, from the bottom of my heart I'm so happy for you".

[jsonf1]

After what he did in China I don't see how anyone can say he is not a team player nor can I see how someone can be "disgusted" that he doesn't care how Felipe does in the WDC. He's not friends with Felippe, so why the hell should he care?

Oh come on, it was "team orders" and he owed Massa.

Christ.

Yes, the team expected him to let Massa by and he did just that and if that doesn't make him a team player then nothing will.

It don't he never will be thats how Kimi has always done it.

There's absolutely no logic in your thinking. What does he need to do for you to consider him a team player if letting his teammate pass him isn't enough, cause that's all he can do? Kamikaze into the side of Hamiltons Mclaren screaming "this is for you Massa and Ferrari!!!". Would that make him a team player?

He's not a team player because of what he said about Massa, you wouldn't hear Hekki comming out and saying that.

Or Massa saying that about him last year just because he's a world champion don't mean he gets to have a chip on his shoulder.

He said he thinks that it would be nice for Massa and the team if Massa won but personally if he's not going to win he doesn't care that much. I bet every single racing driver feels exactly the same.

yeh your right F1 is a cold heartless passionless sport full of Kimi's

No, you're right and F1 racing drivers are like one big happy family and at the end of the season every driver goes and hughs the new WDC and says: "Oh, it's so wonderful that you won, makes me completely forget that I didn't. Oh, from the bottom of my heart I'm so happy for you".

[Gaz]

After what he did in China I don't see how anyone can say he is not a team player nor can I see how someone can be "disgusted" that he doesn't care how Felipe does in the WDC. He's not friends with Felippe, so why the hell should he care?

Oh come on, it was "team orders" and he owed Massa.

Christ.

Yes, the team expected him to let Massa by and he did just that and if that doesn't make him a team player then nothing will.

It don't he never will be thats how Kimi has always done it.

There's absolutely no logic in your thinking. What does he need to do for you to consider him a team player if letting his teammate pass him isn't enough, cause that's all he can do? Kamikaze into the side of Hamiltons Mclaren screaming "this is for you Massa and Ferrari!!!". Would that make him a team player?

He's not a team player because of what he said about Massa, you wouldn't hear Hekki comming out and saying that.

Or Massa saying that about him last year just because he's a world champion don't mean he gets to have a chip on his shoulder.

He said he thinks that it would be nice for Massa and the team if Massa won but personally if he's not going to win he doesn't care that much. I bet every single racing driver feels exactly the same.

yeh your right F1 is a cold heartless passionless sport full of Kimi's

No, you're right and F1 racing drivers are like one big happy family and at the end of the season every driver goes and hughs the new WDC and says: "Oh, it's so wonderful that you won, makes me completely forget that I didn't. Oh, from the bottom of my heart I'm so happy for you".

No but there is a mutual respect there, and drivers obviously get on well in select circles the poker nights they do for instance.

[scotty]

Raikkonen just proved in China that he'll help the team cause even if he doesn't really care who wins, that's more than a lot of people would do. So i don't see how that's 'pathetic'.

[deMuRe]

From F1 Live:

Kimi Raikkonen must play a fully team-oriented role for one more race, but the Finn makes clear he is not in Formula One to help his team-mates win titles.

The reigning world champion's 2008 title defence ended mathematically at Fuji, paving the way for him to move over for fellow Ferrari driver Felipe Massa in the closing stages in China.

But although similar team tactics could come into play when Massa makes a last effort to win the drivers' championship in Brazil in two weeks, Raikkonen has admitted his heart is not really in the fight.

"For Felipe and Ferrari, it would be nice if he wins the title," he told the German broadcaster RTL. "But quite honestly, it makes no difference to me who wins," Raikkonen admitted.

Source: GMM
© CAPSIS International

At the start of the last season, it looked as though Raikkonen had turned a corner, but, since then, he's slipped right back into his old ways. He is not a team player, indeed sometimes he doesn't even want to play for himself, and he just moans all the time without putting some constructive ideas on the table. Thank god McLaren got rid of this eejit.

I would imagine he's giving the "I don't care" attitude to mask his annoyance for having to support his team-mate.

Come on Mclaren Fan, when McLaren were getting accused of cheating you were reading between the lines, turning yourself into a private investigator and discussing philosophy, you're better then this ...