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[Denthúl]

ja .... might be alot more exciting than sitting in front of your pc on the other hand you will have to makea effort to apply some to the wall first but i guess you havent figured that one out yet. dont worry ..it will come to you

its certainly alot more exciting than reading the tripe you post mate.

Anyway. Back on topic, I don't think that this will be McLaren's last chance for a while. They've sorted out their reliability, they've produced some good cars and they've always been good at adapting to new technologies (see the major regulation changes for the 1998 season).

[Hanwombat]

2008 is a good year

I liked 1998 more, to be honest.

Mika...

[Tony_sa]

its certainly alot more exciting than reading the tripe you post mate.

Incoming !!!!

Good to know you were expecting a wisecrack from me. becoming predictable ....that not a good thing

[darwin dali]

Fact : Mclaren last won in 1998
Fact : Mclaren has a chance to win 2008 WDC if stupid hamilton dont screw this one up as well.
Hopeful fact : car 22 will not finish in brazil
probable fact: If mclaren takes 2008 WDC they will carry on knocking again for next 9 years
Definate Fact : Massa is driving a ferrari and both has my undisputed suppport
Definate Fact : mclaren fans will find a way to blame the FIA if hamilton messes up ( he will no doubt )
undisputable fact : Ferrari took a back seat the past 2 years for the health of the sport

I could go on and on. but i guess i am saying mclaren sucks

Most of these aren't facts. "Fact" is defined as "Knowledge or information based on real occurrences" or "Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed". You can't have "hopeful facts". A fact 100% is or 100% is not, not something you want to see. That's wishful thinking, not fact. Facts also can't be magical predictions through a crystal ball, so something like "they will carry on knocking again for next 9 years" can't be a fact unless you came to us from at least nine years in the future. That would just be speculation, not fact. You've declared that Hamilton will screw up in Brazil, but that's not a fact because 1) that hasn't happened yet and facts have to be things that are demonstrated already as true, not predictions, and 2) there's no basis for a 100% prediction on a Hamilton screw-up because while he's had his share he's also had several flawless races, as he did in Shanghai.

Please refrain from using the term "fact" ever again. You've thoroughly raped it already.

There's a grey area though re. facts. E.g., it is undisputed in science that there aren't any unicorns or pegasi (other than some star way out in the universe named for it) in existence. Yet, you can't really prove or demonstrate that there aren't any - it's simple inference from our current knowledge of biology and physics that made us come to this conclusion and we commonly call this a fact. Yet, in essence we would have to call it to be VERY unlikely that they exist.

[Tony_sa]

Fact : Mclaren last won in 1998
Fact : Mclaren has a chance to win 2008 WDC if stupid hamilton dont screw this one up as well.
Hopeful fact : car 22 will not finish in brazil
probable fact: If mclaren takes 2008 WDC they will carry on knocking again for next 9 years
Definate Fact : Massa is driving a ferrari and both has my undisputed suppport
Definate Fact : mclaren fans will find a way to blame the FIA if hamilton messes up ( he will no doubt )
undisputable fact : Ferrari took a back seat the past 2 years for the health of the sport

I could go on and on. but i guess i am saying mclaren sucks

Most of these aren't facts. "Fact" is defined as "Knowledge or information based on real occurrences" or "Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed". You can't have "hopeful facts". A fact 100% is or 100% is not, not something you want to see. That's wishful thinking, not fact. Facts also can't be magical predictions through a crystal ball, so something like "they will carry on knocking again for next 9 years" can't be a fact unless you came to us from at least nine years in the future. That would just be speculation, not fact. You've declared that Hamilton will screw up in Brazil, but that's not a fact because 1) that hasn't happened yet and facts have to be things that are demonstrated already as true, not predictions, and 2) there's no basis for a 100% prediction on a Hamilton screw-up because while he's had his share he's also had several flawless races, as he did in Shanghai.

Please refrain from using the term "fact" ever again. You've thoroughly raped it already.

There's a grey area though re. facts. E.g., it is undisputed in science that there aren't any unicorns or pegasi (other than some star way out in the universe named for it) in existence. Yet, you can't really prove or demonstrate that there aren't any - it's simple inference from our current knowledge of biology and physics that made us come to this conclusion and we commonly call this a fact. Yet, in essence we would have to call it to be VERY unlikely that they exist.

At Last .. Someone that understands.........!!!!!!!!!