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[McLaren Fan]

From F1 Live:

Kimi Raikkonen must play a fully team-oriented role for one more race, but the Finn makes clear he is not in Formula One to help his team-mates win titles.

The reigning world champion's 2008 title defence ended mathematically at Fuji, paving the way for him to move over for fellow Ferrari driver Felipe Massa in the closing stages in China.

But although similar team tactics could come into play when Massa makes a last effort to win the drivers' championship in Brazil in two weeks, Raikkonen has admitted his heart is not really in the fight.

"For Felipe and Ferrari, it would be nice if he wins the title," he told the German broadcaster RTL. "But quite honestly, it makes no difference to me who wins," Raikkonen admitted.

Source: GMM
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At the start of the last season, it looked as though Raikkonen had turned a corner, but, since then, he's slipped right back into his old ways. He is not a team player, indeed sometimes he doesn't even want to play for himself, and he just moans all the time without putting some constructive ideas on the table. Thank god McLaren got rid of this eejit.

[Gaz]

Yeh i agree.

least it works out well for Mclaren

[MAD MAX]

He's do the same again if it meant helping Massa to clinch the trophy, whose he trying to kid?

[McLaren Fan]

Yeh i agree.

least it works out well for Mclaren

I don't know about you, but it seems everybody at McLaren were blubbering when he said he was going to Ferrari. Even Ron Dennis was basically begging him to stay. His time at McLaren was one whinge after another, he sometimes wasn't fit enough to set consistent laps throughout the race and was poor at developing the car (as Scandinavian drivers sometimes tend to be; it took Hakkinen a year or two to perfect this area of Formula One driving).

[Rorschach]

I don't think his stance is particularly bothersome, might have been wiser to not air his views though. I think he's being completely honest and there isn't anything wrong with his POV. He's a racing driver and wants to win it for himself. The important thing is he did act like a team player when required in Shanghai and will do in Brasil if the opportunity arises due to the fact he's paid by Ferrari. I know this is a team sport in terms of support and infrastructure but these guys are in it for themselves ultimately. The fact they need the technical and financial backing of hundreds, if not thousands of people, to facilitate their goals doesn't change that.

[McLaren Fan]

I don't think his stance is particularly bothersome, might have been wiser to not air his views though. I think he's being completely honest and there isn't anything wrong with his POV. He's a racing driver and wants to win it for himself. The important thing is he did act like a team player when required in Shanghai and will do in Brasil if the opportunity arises due to the fact he's paid by Ferrari. I know this is a team sport in terms of support and infrastructure but these guys are in it for themselves ultimately. The fact they need the technical and financial backing of hundreds, if not thousands of people, to facilitate their goals doesn't change that.

True, but his views are disgusting. One thing that really annoys me in Formula One is drivers thinking that the team revolves around them. Yes, they have a very important job to do, but it doesn't make their job special. A driver's success is the result of hundreds or thousands of people hard work, often long into the night, and sponsors coughing up a hell of a lot of money. These guys want to have their engineering prowess rewarded as well. Raikkonen's comments, to me, sound completely unappreciative.

[Gaz]

Yeh i agree.

least it works out well for Mclaren

I don't know about you, but it seems everybody at McLaren were blubbering when he said he was going to Ferrari. Even Ron Dennis was basically begging him to stay. His time at McLaren was one whinge after another, he sometimes wasn't fit enough to set consistent laps throughout the race and was poor at developing the car (as Scandinavian drivers sometimes tend to be; it took Hakkinen a year or two to perfect this area of Formula One driving).

I wa abit gutted because he is a good driver he did frustrate me abit but JPM was worse in the sense he was too hot headed so kimi didn't seam as bad.

[racechick]

Yeh i agree.

least it works out well for Mclaren

I don't know about you, but it seems everybody at McLaren were blubbering when he said he was going to Ferrari. Even Ron Dennis was basically begging him to stay. His time at McLaren was one whinge after another, he sometimes wasn't fit enough to set consistent laps throughout the race and was poor at developing the car (as Scandinavian drivers sometimes tend to be; it took Hakkinen a year or two to perfect this area of Formula One driving).

I wa abit gutted because he is a good driver he did frustrate me abit but JPM was worse in the sense he was too hot headed so kimi didn't seam as bad.

Leave JPM alone!! He was a class act

[Denthúl]

Yeh i agree.

least it works out well for Mclaren

I don't know about you, but it seems everybody at McLaren were blubbering when he said he was going to Ferrari. Even Ron Dennis was basically begging him to stay. His time at McLaren was one whinge after another, he sometimes wasn't fit enough to set consistent laps throughout the race and was poor at developing the car (as Scandinavian drivers sometimes tend to be; it took Hakkinen a year or two to perfect this area of Formula One driving).

I wa abit gutted because he is a good driver he did frustrate me abit but JPM was worse in the sense he was too hot headed so kimi didn't seam as bad.

Leave JPM alone!! He was a class act

Well, half the time...

[McLaren Fan]

I wa abit gutted because he is a good driver he did frustrate me abit but JPM was worse in the sense he was too hot headed so kimi didn't seam as bad.

Montoya really disappointed me. In fifteen or twenty years time, he'll look back and realise he wasted his ability. He had the speed to be a Formula One champion, but he didn't have the application. It's sad really.

[Rorschach]

True, but his views are disgusting. One thing that really annoys me in Formula One is drivers thinking that the team revolves around them. Yes, they have a very important job to do, but it doesn't make their job special. A driver's success is the result of hundreds or thousands of people hard work, often long into the night, and sponsors coughing up a hell of a lot of money. These guys want to have their engineering prowess rewarded as well. Raikkonen's comments, to me, sound completely unappreciative.

Yep. It's a disease most of them suffer from to some extent I'm sure. Easy to fall foul of too I should imagine. Being coddled and living in a bubble of privilege. Not intentionally but over time. Slowly losing touch with reality each year.

[racechick]

Yeh i agree.

least it works out well for Mclaren

I don't know about you, but it seems everybody at McLaren were blubbering when he said he was going to Ferrari. Even Ron Dennis was basically begging him to stay. His time at McLaren was one whinge after another, he sometimes wasn't fit enough to set consistent laps throughout the race and was poor at developing the car (as Scandinavian drivers sometimes tend to be; it took Hakkinen a year or two to perfect this area of Formula One driving).

I wa abit gutted because he is a good driver he did frustrate me abit but JPM was worse in the sense he was too hot headed so kimi didn't seam as bad.

Leave JPM alone!! He was a class act

Well, half the time...

Well ok, bit more than half , but when he was good he was very very good

[Rorschach]

I wa abit gutted because he is a good driver he did frustrate me abit but JPM was worse in the sense he was too hot headed so kimi didn't seam as bad.

Montoya really disappointed me. In fifteen or twenty years time, he'll look back and realise he wasted his ability. He had the speed to be a Formula One champion, but he didn't have the application. It's sad really.

Exactly right. It was gutting for me personally. Loved watching him race back in the US. Then he joined Williams and I thought - Schumacher has some new comp now. Then......nuthin.

[racechick]

I wa abit gutted because he is a good driver he did frustrate me abit but JPM was worse in the sense he was too hot headed so kimi didn't seam as bad.

Montoya really disappointed me. In fifteen or twenty years time, he'll look back and realise he wasted his ability. He had the speed to be a Formula One champion, but he didn't have the application. It's sad really.

You as well!!! Leave him alone!!!

[Denthúl]

Yeh i agree.

least it works out well for Mclaren

I don't know about you, but it seems everybody at McLaren were blubbering when he said he was going to Ferrari. Even Ron Dennis was basically begging him to stay. His time at McLaren was one whinge after another, he sometimes wasn't fit enough to set consistent laps throughout the race and was poor at developing the car (as Scandinavian drivers sometimes tend to be; it took Hakkinen a year or two to perfect this area of Formula One driving).

I wa abit gutted because he is a good driver he did frustrate me abit but JPM was worse in the sense he was too hot headed so kimi didn't seam as bad.

Leave JPM alone!! He was a class act

Well, half the time...

Well ok, bit more than half , but when he was good he was very very good

And when he was bad, he was really, really, really, really bad...

Don't take this personally - I'm just messin' with ya