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There is a huge safety concern with the pit light incident that does not apply to the Raikkonen/Sutil incident, though, and that is the train of cars behind the safety car. Imagine if Kimi hadn't been in Lewis' way and he just ran the red light? He could've come out and ploughed in to the safety car or, indeed, any other car that was following it around and caused a major pile-up.
With Kimi, it was just a silly mistake on a drying track. The two are totally different and I fail to see how people manage to compare them (and then cry out in a ridiculous manner when one is punished after the other is not) in the way that they do.
i think youre making it bigger than what it is, its not a huge safety concern, there havent been any huge issues in the past, and they are going back to the old rules next year so no more closing the entrance and exit to the pitlane thank jebus.
as for the Kimi Sutil crash, fans want to see consistency on the rulings. Kimi ruined Sutils race compared to Bordais and Massa which one is worse?
There is a huge safety concern with the pit light incident that does not apply to the Raikkonen/Sutil incident, though, and that is the train of cars behind the safety car. Imagine if Kimi hadn't been in Lewis' way and he just ran the red light? He could've come out and ploughed in to the safety car or, indeed, any other car that was following it around and caused a major pile-up.
With Kimi, it was just a silly mistake on a drying track. The two are totally different and I fail to see how people manage to compare them (and then cry out in a ridiculous manner when one is punished after the other is not) in the way that they do.
Without getting into the conspiracy theories - probably be first, as they are right now, or second at worst - if HK had picked up enough points. Only about 35% of McClaren points have been picked up by HK this season. Quite poor really, even taking into account all the usual excuses for him of tyre wear and fuel load etc (like no other driver has to contend with these things).
he has had alot of technical DNF's or mishaps that were not his fault that have not helped!
as for todays race, he had his brake issues plus he surely flat spotted his front right pretty badly in the opening laps when he was tangling with Fernando which made him lose time in the first stint.
I'd like to know more about his brake issues, because he's had them in more than one race this season and they seem to have hindered him quite a lot. It may be worth changing the materials and dimensions of them to help him out, because it's obviously not a problem that is going away any time soon. If Brazil is hotter than China (which we would expect if it's dry) then they could be worse there.
There is a huge safety concern with the pit light incident that does not apply to the Raikkonen/Sutil incident, though, and that is the train of cars behind the safety car. Imagine if Kimi hadn't been in Lewis' way and he just ran the red light? He could've come out and ploughed in to the safety car or, indeed, any other car that was following it around and caused a major pile-up.
With Kimi, it was just a silly mistake on a drying track. The two are totally different and I fail to see how people manage to compare them (and then cry out in a ridiculous manner when one is punished after the other is not) in the way that they do.
i think youre making it bigger than what it is, its not a huge safety concern, there havent been any huge issues in the past, and they are going back to the old rules next year so no more closing the entrance and exit to the pitlane thank jebus.
as for the Kimi Sutil crash, fans want to see consistency on the rulings. Kimi ruined Sutils race compared to Bordais and Massa which one is worse?
He made a mistake on a wet patch that he didn't account for in his braking. Massa was just driving like an idiot, and being very arrogant.
And for the pit lane, I reckon it will still be closed at the exit when the safety car and all the drivers behind it are passing because if a car comes racing out of the pits at full speed they can still hit a bunch of other cars and cause a serious accident.
) thats why they are called accidents, but if your going to penalise one you gotta penalise them all!!!Malaysia, is abit iffy because no one saw it.
Canada was stupid it was just a simple mistake and they should of left it at that
France was utter poo considering 1. He was past vettle when he cut the chicane and 2. when alonso did something simlar in japan i believe he was told to give the place back.
Spa was Complete and utter bias he did that which was expected of him by giving the place back.
Fuji was Harsh on Lewis and very Leaniant on Massa that should of been a 10sec stop and go for Massa
Bringing me to my next point, Massa got away with that Pitstop in Valencia if that was a Mclaren there would of been a drive though.
And then Massa hits Seb B in Japan and Seb gets punished.
Its Bollacks anyone that says the FIA is not bias to the point of letting Ferrari off and punishing mclaren is blind.
The only thing I disagree with you on is Hamilton's penalty for ramming into the back of Raikkonen. If you were to draw up your list of top ten Formula One gaffes, that incident would be somewhere near the top. Hamilton's mistake ended up taking somebody else out of the race, so that also has to be considered. In terms of this year's Japanese Grand Prix, Massa should have been black-flagged. Deliberately or not is no matter to me, for he punted his title rival out of the race, and that could have had a serious effect on which way the title swung. And not only was Massa allowed to keep on racing, the people who he wronged, Bourdais and Webber, were blamed for his lunacy and Massa was gifted points by the governing body for this! The FIA has always been corrupt and anybody who believes it's not corrupt at the minute is in denial, blind or mentally ill.
The thing is, its a racing error just like Kimi made an error when he rammed into the back of Sutil. He missed the lights so did Nico it was a genuine mistake if.
Just like when Kimi lost it it was a genuine mistake.
My problem with it is, Massa vs Sutil in Valencia was more dangerous yet he got a fine and i have the feeling that if it was kimi who hit lewis nothing would of happened.
There is a huge safety concern with the pit light incident that does not apply to the Raikkonen/Sutil incident, though, and that is the train of cars behind the safety car. Imagine if Kimi hadn't been in Lewis' way and he just ran the red light? He could've come out and ploughed in to the safety car or, indeed, any other car that was following it around and caused a major pile-up.
With Kimi, it was just a silly mistake on a drying track. The two are totally different and I fail to see how people manage to compare them (and then cry out in a ridiculous manner when one is punished after the other is not) in the way that they do.
There is a huge safety concern with the pit light incident that does not apply to the Raikkonen/Sutil incident, though, and that is the train of cars behind the safety car. Imagine if Kimi hadn't been in Lewis' way and he just ran the red light? He could've come out and ploughed in to the safety car or, indeed, any other car that was following it around and caused a major pile-up.
With Kimi, it was just a silly mistake on a drying track. The two are totally different and I fail to see how people manage to compare them (and then cry out in a ridiculous manner when one is punished after the other is not) in the way that they do.
i think youre making it bigger than what it is, its not a huge safety concern, there havent been any huge issues in the past, and they are going back to the old rules next year so no more closing the entrance and exit to the pitlane thank jebus.
as for the Kimi Sutil crash, fans want to see consistency on the rulings. Kimi ruined Sutils race compared to Bordais and Massa which one is worse?
He made a mistake on a wet patch that he didn't account for in his braking. Massa was just driving like an idiot, and being very arrogant.
And for the pit lane, I reckon it will still be closed at the exit when the safety car and all the drivers behind it are passing because if a car comes racing out of the pits at full speed they can still hit a bunch of other cars and cause a serious accident.
I know why Kimi crashed, but no crash in F1 is on purpose (wells some have been
There is a huge safety concern with the pit light incident that does not apply to the Raikkonen/Sutil incident, though, and that is the train of cars behind the safety car. Imagine if Kimi hadn't been in Lewis' way and he just ran the red light? He could've come out and ploughed in to the safety car or, indeed, any other car that was following it around and caused a major pile-up.
With Kimi, it was just a silly mistake on a drying track. The two are totally different and I fail to see how people manage to compare them (and then cry out in a ridiculous manner when one is punished after the other is not) in the way that they do.
I agree. The two are cannot be compared. One was a mistake at 160 mph, which can sometimes happen; the other was a major gaffe caused by Hamilton's heart ruling his head. He wrecked Raikkonen's race and the pile-up at the end of the pit-lane could have ruined other drivers' races. It had to be punished.Without getting into the conspiracy theories - probably be first, as they are right now, or second at worst - if HK had picked up enough points. Only about 35% of McClaren points have been picked up by HK this season. Quite poor really, even taking into account all the usual excuses for him of tyre wear and fuel load etc (like no other driver has to contend with these things).
he has had alot of technical DNF's or mishaps that were not his fault that have not helped!
as for todays race, he had his brake issues plus he surely flat spotted his front right pretty badly in the opening laps when he was tangling with Fernando which made him lose time in the first stint.
I'd like to know more about his brake issues, because he's had them in more than one race this season and they seem to have hindered him quite a lot. It may be worth changing the materials and dimensions of them to help him out, because it's obviously not a problem that is going away any time soon. If Brazil is hotter than China (which we would expect if it's dry) then they could be worse there.
Even taking into account Kovalainen's technical problems, he was underperforming anyway. Even in the races were the car hindered him or let him down, he wasn't really in with a shout of winning, save in Japan, and that was only after Hamilton went mad, was penalised and knocked off the track and Raikkonen having to take evasive action! His points would have helped, but make no mistake, he's had a mediocre season.
Malaysia, is abit iffy because no one saw it.
Canada was stupid it was just a simple mistake and they should of left it at that
France was utter poo considering 1. He was past vettle when he cut the chicane and 2. when alonso did something simlar in japan i believe he was told to give the place back.
Spa was Complete and utter bias he did that which was expected of him by giving the place back.
Fuji was Harsh on Lewis and very Leaniant on Massa that should of been a 10sec stop and go for Massa
Bringing me to my next point, Massa got away with that Pitstop in Valencia if that was a Mclaren there would of been a drive though.
And then Massa hits Seb B in Japan and Seb gets punished.
Its Bollacks anyone that says the FIA is not bias to the point of letting Ferrari off and punishing mclaren is blind.
The only thing I disagree with you on is Hamilton's penalty for ramming into the back of Raikkonen. If you were to draw up your list of top ten Formula One gaffes, that incident would be somewhere near the top. Hamilton's mistake ended up taking somebody else out of the race, so that also has to be considered. In terms of this year's Japanese Grand Prix, Massa should have been black-flagged. Deliberately or not is no matter to me, for he punted his title rival out of the race, and that could have had a serious effect on which way the title swung. And not only was Massa allowed to keep on racing, the people who he wronged, Bourdais and Webber, were blamed for his lunacy and Massa was gifted points by the governing body for this! The FIA has always been corrupt and anybody who believes it's not corrupt at the minute is in denial, blind or mentally ill.
The thing is, its a racing error just like Kimi made an error when he rammed into the back of Sutil. He missed the lights so did Nico it was a genuine mistake if.
Just like when Kimi lost it it was a genuine mistake.
My problem with it is, Massa vs Sutil in Valencia was more dangerous yet he got a fine and i have the feeling that if it was kimi who hit lewis nothing would of happened.
There is a huge safety concern with the pit light incident that does not apply to the Raikkonen/Sutil incident, though, and that is the train of cars behind the safety car. Imagine if Kimi hadn't been in Lewis' way and he just ran the red light? He could've come out and ploughed in to the safety car or, indeed, any other car that was following it around and caused a major pile-up.
With Kimi, it was just a silly mistake on a drying track. The two are totally different and I fail to see how people manage to compare them (and then cry out in a ridiculous manner when one is punished after the other is not) in the way that they do.
I suppose agree, and massa did that in 07 and got disqualified and i supose i'm being picky i think a warning and a fine would of sufficed tho since he did end his race.
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