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[Hanwombat]

Kubica 11th.

I do feel for him, but hey things can happen

[Denthúl]

Kubica 11th.

I do feel for him, but hey things can happen

Yep. Rain, safety cars, genius strategies and first-corner pile-ups. He's far enough down the grid to avoid all of that and snatch the lead again. Heidfeld with him.

[Hanwombat]

Kubica 11th.

I do feel for him, but hey things can happen

Yep. Rain, safety cars, genius strategies and first-corner pile-ups. He's far enough down the grid to avoid all of that and snatch the lead again. Heidfeld with him.

Heidfeld FTW I hope for rain

[al4x]

Kubica 11th.

it was a mistake by bmw to not develop the car more, bmw have the backing to do both

rain is possible isnt it

[Denthúl]

Kubica 11th.

I do feel for him, but hey things can happen

Yep. Rain, safety cars, genius strategies and first-corner pile-ups. He's far enough down the grid to avoid all of that and snatch the lead again. Heidfeld with him.

Heidfeld FTW I hope for rain

So do I. Heidfeld has always impressed me in rainy conditions which is where I think his driving style gives him and advantage over most of the field, though he still has to contend with guys like Hamilton, Vettel and Barrichello. Nick perhaps isn't the best at driving in the wet, but he's good enough to get big results

[prozac26]

Kubica 11th.

it was a mistake by bmw to not develop the car more, bmw have the backing to do both

rain is possible isnt it

Yea, they should have pushed harder this year. But I think they will be pushing harder in '09.

[Gaz]

We are talking Formula 1 here, the cars were designed and built in Britain - great teams such as Lotus, Tyrrell - chassists like March etc, it was nothing to do with the Ford Gt or the Ford Focus or the shitty Ford Kas!
It was a time which still has relevance today - where British teams and drivers absolutely wooped Ferrari.
In all honesty if Hamilton wasn't such a w***er id want him to be Champion - because I wanted Hill and Coulthard when they had their chances.

You Brits always defending everything. Tell me, when are the Brits ever going to make an F1 team that can be considered an ALL BRITISH car. This means no associations with American Ford. No engine suppliers that come from countries like Germany, Japan and France. When are they going to do this? Ferrari in all its entirety is Italian. Your just biased. Because you are from Britain you'll say they are the best. But the reality is they are not the best in F1. My views are not biased because as far as Ferrari and its nationality are concerned, I am a neutral party.

Why should a British team have to build something that you'd consider all-British? The formula they have at the moment has worked quite well for a long time. Williams and Renault, Williams and BMW, McLaren and Honda, McLaren and Mercedes, Jordan and Mugen-Honda etc. They were/are all good partnerships. The fact that there are no longer any British companies building Formula 1 engines makes conforming to this idea that you have even more difficult, and the costs that would be required to set one up are simply too high in the current financial climate.

That is fair enough, but why then claim Britain is the best at F1 (All time) when it isn't true? British teams have won a lot simply because of the help of non British companies, (Like the ones you have mentioned) so they are not the best in F1 as a nation.

What he's saying or what i think he's saying is...

That britan has been more sucsefull than other contries as a constructor combined.

Lotus, Willaims & Mclaren, Vanwall, Cooper & Brambham & BRM etc have won more titles for Britain than another nation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Fo ... _Champions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(to be fair there's only France and Italy in it)

On top of that more teams are based in Britain because the UK has a MASSIVE motor sport industry

Fair enough. But Italy only needs one team. Ferrari, which also happens to be the most successful team.

but for how long?!

[al4x]

We are talking Formula 1 here, the cars were designed and built in Britain - great teams such as Lotus, Tyrrell - chassists like March etc, it was nothing to do with the Ford Gt or the Ford Focus or the shitty Ford Kas!
It was a time which still has relevance today - where British teams and drivers absolutely wooped Ferrari.
In all honesty if Hamilton wasn't such a w***er id want him to be Champion - because I wanted Hill and Coulthard when they had their chances.

You Brits always defending everything. Tell me, when are the Brits ever going to make an F1 team that can be considered an ALL BRITISH car. This means no associations with American Ford. No engine suppliers that come from countries like Germany, Japan and France. When are they going to do this? Ferrari in all its entirety is Italian. Your just biased. Because you are from Britain you'll say they are the best. But the reality is they are not the best in F1. My views are not biased because as far as Ferrari and its nationality are concerned, I am a neutral party.

Why should a British team have to build something that you'd consider all-British? The formula they have at the moment has worked quite well for a long time. Williams and Renault, Williams and BMW, McLaren and Honda, McLaren and Mercedes, Jordan and Mugen-Honda etc. They were/are all good partnerships. The fact that there are no longer any British companies building Formula 1 engines makes conforming to this idea that you have even more difficult, and the costs that would be required to set one up are simply too high in the current financial climate.

That is fair enough, but why then claim Britain is the best at F1 (All time) when it isn't true? British teams have won a lot simply because of the help of non British companies, (Like the ones you have mentioned) so they are not the best in F1 as a nation.

What he's saying or what i think he's saying is...

That britan has been more sucsefull than other contries as a constructor combined.

Lotus, Willaims & Mclaren, Vanwall, Cooper & Brambham & BRM etc have won more titles for Britain than another nation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Fo ... _Champions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(to be fair there's only France and Italy in it)

On top of that more teams are based in Britain because the UK has a MASSIVE motor sport industry

Fair enough. But Italy only needs one team. Ferrari, which also happens to be the most successful team.

but for how long?!

[Denthúl]

We are talking Formula 1 here, the cars were designed and built in Britain - great teams such as Lotus, Tyrrell - chassists like March etc, it was nothing to do with the Ford Gt or the Ford Focus or the shitty Ford Kas!
It was a time which still has relevance today - where British teams and drivers absolutely wooped Ferrari.
In all honesty if Hamilton wasn't such a w***er id want him to be Champion - because I wanted Hill and Coulthard when they had their chances.

You Brits always defending everything. Tell me, when are the Brits ever going to make an F1 team that can be considered an ALL BRITISH car. This means no associations with American Ford. No engine suppliers that come from countries like Germany, Japan and France. When are they going to do this? Ferrari in all its entirety is Italian. Your just biased. Because you are from Britain you'll say they are the best. But the reality is they are not the best in F1. My views are not biased because as far as Ferrari and its nationality are concerned, I am a neutral party.

Why should a British team have to build something that you'd consider all-British? The formula they have at the moment has worked quite well for a long time. Williams and Renault, Williams and BMW, McLaren and Honda, McLaren and Mercedes, Jordan and Mugen-Honda etc. They were/are all good partnerships. The fact that there are no longer any British companies building Formula 1 engines makes conforming to this idea that you have even more difficult, and the costs that would be required to set one up are simply too high in the current financial climate.

That is fair enough, but why then claim Britain is the best at F1 (All time) when it isn't true? British teams have won a lot simply because of the help of non British companies, (Like the ones you have mentioned) so they are not the best in F1 as a nation.

What he's saying or what i think he's saying is...

That britan has been more sucsefull than other contries as a constructor combined.

Lotus, Willaims & Mclaren, Vanwall, Cooper & Brambham & BRM etc have won more titles for Britain than another nation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Fo ... _Champions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(to be fair there's only France and Italy in it)

On top of that more teams are based in Britain because the UK has a MASSIVE motor sport industry

Fair enough. But Italy only needs one team. Ferrari, which also happens to be the most successful team.

but for how long?!

This year will be their last success, if they manage to win it. From 2009 onwards, all the championships are mine! (By that, I mean they belong to BMW Sauber, Honda and Renault!)


Anyways, about the race. I really hope that Heikki can jump Alonso and Massa at the first turn and then challenge Raikkonen, because I really want to see him on the podium again. I think that maybe he and the team should've decided to fuel him a little lighter than usual to ensure a front-row start, to be honest.

[Gaz]

We are talking Formula 1 here, the cars were designed and built in Britain - great teams such as Lotus, Tyrrell - chassists like March etc, it was nothing to do with the Ford Gt or the Ford Focus or the shitty Ford Kas!
It was a time which still has relevance today - where British teams and drivers absolutely wooped Ferrari.
In all honesty if Hamilton wasn't such a w***er id want him to be Champion - because I wanted Hill and Coulthard when they had their chances.

You Brits always defending everything. Tell me, when are the Brits ever going to make an F1 team that can be considered an ALL BRITISH car. This means no associations with American Ford. No engine suppliers that come from countries like Germany, Japan and France. When are they going to do this? Ferrari in all its entirety is Italian. Your just biased. Because you are from Britain you'll say they are the best. But the reality is they are not the best in F1. My views are not biased because as far as Ferrari and its nationality are concerned, I am a neutral party.

Why should a British team have to build something that you'd consider all-British? The formula they have at the moment has worked quite well for a long time. Williams and Renault, Williams and BMW, McLaren and Honda, McLaren and Mercedes, Jordan and Mugen-Honda etc. They were/are all good partnerships. The fact that there are no longer any British companies building Formula 1 engines makes conforming to this idea that you have even more difficult, and the costs that would be required to set one up are simply too high in the current financial climate.

That is fair enough, but why then claim Britain is the best at F1 (All time) when it isn't true? British teams have won a lot simply because of the help of non British companies, (Like the ones you have mentioned) so they are not the best in F1 as a nation.

What he's saying or what i think he's saying is...

That britan has been more sucsefull than other contries as a constructor combined.

Lotus, Willaims & Mclaren, Vanwall, Cooper & Brambham & BRM etc have won more titles for Britain than another nation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Fo ... _Champions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(to be fair there's only France and Italy in it)

On top of that more teams are based in Britain because the UK has a MASSIVE motor sport industry

Fair enough. But Italy only needs one team. Ferrari, which also happens to be the most successful team.

but for how long?!

This year will be their last success, if they manage to win it. From 2009 onwards, all the championships are mine! (By that, I mean they belong to BMW Sauber, Honda and Renault!)


Anyways, about the race. I really hope that Heikki can jump Alonso and Massa at the first turn and then challenge Raikkonen, because I really want to see him on the podium again. I think that maybe he and the team should've decided to fuel him a little lighter than usual to ensure a front-row start, to be honest.

Mclaren are big on the technical side i expect they'll get the best KERS, BMW should do well also not sure about renault.

[Denthúl]

We are talking Formula 1 here, the cars were designed and built in Britain - great teams such as Lotus, Tyrrell - chassists like March etc, it was nothing to do with the Ford Gt or the Ford Focus or the shitty Ford Kas!
It was a time which still has relevance today - where British teams and drivers absolutely wooped Ferrari.
In all honesty if Hamilton wasn't such a w***er id want him to be Champion - because I wanted Hill and Coulthard when they had their chances.

You Brits always defending everything. Tell me, when are the Brits ever going to make an F1 team that can be considered an ALL BRITISH car. This means no associations with American Ford. No engine suppliers that come from countries like Germany, Japan and France. When are they going to do this? Ferrari in all its entirety is Italian. Your just biased. Because you are from Britain you'll say they are the best. But the reality is they are not the best in F1. My views are not biased because as far as Ferrari and its nationality are concerned, I am a neutral party.

Why should a British team have to build something that you'd consider all-British? The formula they have at the moment has worked quite well for a long time. Williams and Renault, Williams and BMW, McLaren and Honda, McLaren and Mercedes, Jordan and Mugen-Honda etc. They were/are all good partnerships. The fact that there are no longer any British companies building Formula 1 engines makes conforming to this idea that you have even more difficult, and the costs that would be required to set one up are simply too high in the current financial climate.

That is fair enough, but why then claim Britain is the best at F1 (All time) when it isn't true? British teams have won a lot simply because of the help of non British companies, (Like the ones you have mentioned) so they are not the best in F1 as a nation.

What he's saying or what i think he's saying is...

That britan has been more sucsefull than other contries as a constructor combined.

Lotus, Willaims & Mclaren, Vanwall, Cooper & Brambham & BRM etc have won more titles for Britain than another nation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Fo ... _Champions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(to be fair there's only France and Italy in it)

On top of that more teams are based in Britain because the UK has a MASSIVE motor sport industry

Fair enough. But Italy only needs one team. Ferrari, which also happens to be the most successful team.

but for how long?!

This year will be their last success, if they manage to win it. From 2009 onwards, all the championships are mine! (By that, I mean they belong to BMW Sauber, Honda and Renault!)


Anyways, about the race. I really hope that Heikki can jump Alonso and Massa at the first turn and then challenge Raikkonen, because I really want to see him on the podium again. I think that maybe he and the team should've decided to fuel him a little lighter than usual to ensure a front-row start, to be honest.

Mclaren are big on the technical side i expect they'll get the best KERS, BMW should do well also not sure about renault.

I think Honda and Williams will have better KERS systems than McLaren, in all honesty. I don't really know where Renault are at, but they may be able to build a quick car without a good KERS system. It'd be like getting a non-turbo car to compete with a turbo car, and I'd love that!

[al4x]

i wont quote all that

renaults developeent for next year worries me a bit tbh

[Gaz]

Yeh, the reason i think Mclaren have got a good KERS is because Force India wanted it, now F.I wanted ferrari's untill it tured out to be crap so i think there after the best system.

And apart from Mclaren themselves F.I would have a good idea as to what is going on.

[bud]

i dont think anyone can claim to have the upper hand in KERS yet, its still an unkown until winter testing we will get some idea but the true test will come in Melbourne 09.


and AKR McLarens engine partner formerly known as Ilmor which was bought out by Daimler is based in the UK so one could say McLaren Mercedes is totally British

[EwanM]

Yes I am also worried about Renault's development Al4x. But I do feel we just have to trust the team. If they let us down it'll be sad, if not it'll be good.