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[McLaren Fan]

I like how in this thread we're talking about how the drivers shouldn't be making judgments - leave it to the stewards. But in other threads, the same people are accusing the stewards of being paid off and corrupt...

Yeh it should be left to the stewards but i don't think anyone's suggesting there being paid off or corrupt they are just bias towards Ferrari.

Alan Donnelly is floating about the circuit. He is Max Mosley's right-hand man and has a company which has Ferrari and the FIA as its clients. It doesn't take Aristotle to work out what has been going on here.

[darwin dali]

I rarely post to forums, but I thought I would correct the statement made above about the US SpeedTV coverage of F1. I am an Englishman living in USA and watch every F1 race, practice, quali on SpeedTV and I have NEVER heard any of the commentators say that Hamilton's driving is dangerous. By the way, I'm on the east coast and I pick Massa for the betting game. You'd better bring a BIG stack of bills!

I think it was on their F1 Debrief show...

[darwin dali]

As for Bernie Ecclestone, the 77-year-old F1 chief executive told Auto Motor und Sport that Lewis Hamilton is "good for business."

He also knows why the championship leader is not popular among his peers: "Out of the car he is a little bit arrogant."

"I think he has slightly too high an opinion of himself and that irritates the other drivers," Ecclestone added.

[EwanM]

As for Bernie Ecclestone, the 77-year-old F1 chief executive told Auto Motor und Sport that Lewis Hamilton is "good for business."

He also knows why the championship leader is not popular among his peers: "Out of the car he is a little bit arrogant."

"I think he has slightly too high an opinion of himself and that irritates the other drivers," Ecclestone added.

And that's the reason so many fans don't like him either.
OBAMA FOR PRES.

[racechick]

Each season people increasingly moan about the lack of overtaking and how boring it's all getting, then as soon as someone steps up and starts racing again everyone starts moaning again. Regardless of what his attitude is like out of the car, you have to admit that Hamilton has provided some of the most exciting racing in the last two years.

Yup. He's a racer.

I'd like to see exciting racing too, like in Japan there was a 4 way Mclaren Vs Ferrari battle in the making but then Hamilton ruined it in the first corner.

mate you wont get exciting racing if you penalise racers for farting. Follow my leader round the track is not a good idea either

[TheOak]

Each season people increasingly moan about the lack of overtaking and how boring it's all getting, then as soon as someone steps up and starts racing again everyone starts moaning again. Regardless of what his attitude is like out of the car, you have to admit that Hamilton has provided some of the most exciting racing in the last two years.

Yup. He's a racer.

I'd like to see exciting racing too, like in Japan there was a 4 way Mclaren Vs Ferrari battle in the making but then Hamilton ruined it in the first corner.

mate you wont get exciting racing if you penalise racers for farting. Follow my leader round the track is not a good idea either

Stop playing down what Lewis has done, he's caused many incidents which could have ended very badly and the only reason they didn't was because the other driver(s) took evasive action.

[bud]

Each season people increasingly moan about the lack of overtaking and how boring it's all getting, then as soon as someone steps up and starts racing again everyone starts moaning again. Regardless of what his attitude is like out of the car, you have to admit that Hamilton has provided some of the most exciting racing in the last two years.

Yup. He's a racer.

I'd like to see exciting racing too, like in Japan there was a 4 way Mclaren Vs Ferrari battle in the making but then Hamilton ruined it in the first corner.

mate you wont get exciting racing if you penalise racers for farting. Follow my leader round the track is not a good idea either

Stop playing down what Lewis has done, he's caused many incidents which could have ended very badly and the only reason they didn't was because the other driver(s) took evasive action.

you know whats funny two of the drivers whinging the most are the ones who were involved in the biggest crash in recent F1 history.....

[TheOak]

Each season people increasingly moan about the lack of overtaking and how boring it's all getting, then as soon as someone steps up and starts racing again everyone starts moaning again. Regardless of what his attitude is like out of the car, you have to admit that Hamilton has provided some of the most exciting racing in the last two years.

Yup. He's a racer.

I'd like to see exciting racing too, like in Japan there was a 4 way Mclaren Vs Ferrari battle in the making but then Hamilton ruined it in the first corner.

mate you wont get exciting racing if you penalise racers for farting. Follow my leader round the track is not a good idea either

Stop playing down what Lewis has done, he's caused many incidents which could have ended very badly and the only reason they didn't was because the other driver(s) took evasive action.

you know whats funny two of the drivers whinging the most are the ones who were involved in the biggest crash in recent F1 history.....

And how is this relevant? Did they cause this accident by doing something utterly stupid?

[bud]

define utterly stupid.... racings racing. By your definition what they did was stupid or they wouldnt have made contact no?
But if you are scared of banging wheels go watch something else! or find someone else to nit pick, while its in fashion right now to bag on every Lewis move or comment its getting pretty old!

[TheOak]

define utterly stupid.... racings racing. By your definition what they did was stupid or they wouldnt have made contact no?
But if you are scared of banging wheels go watch something else! or find someone else to nit pick, while its in fashion right now to bag on every Lewis move or comment its getting pretty old!

Utterly stupid as in squeezing another driver off the track in the wet on a really fast part of the track, completely missing the braking point for a corner and almost ramming the driver infront of you, you know the usual stuff that Lewis pulls when someone passes him, he's passing someone or just defending his position. But hey, even if someone dies as a result it's racing right, no biggie.

[bud]

define utterly stupid.... racings racing. By your definition what they did was stupid or they wouldnt have made contact no?
But if you are scared of banging wheels go watch something else! or find someone else to nit pick, while its in fashion right now to bag on every Lewis move or comment its getting pretty old!

Utterly stupid as in squeezing another driver off the track in the wet on a really fast part of the track, completely missing the braking point for a corner and almost ramming the driver infront of you, you know the usual stuff that Lewis pulls when someone passes him, he's passing someone or just defending his position. But hey, even if someone dies as a result it's racing right, no biggie.

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cant believe youre using the start of Japan as leverage, that is the norm how many times have we seen it FFS , if it was some other driver we wouldnt even be talking about it!!!

and all drivers have done dirty moves in their career none are angels no doubting people have forgotten Fernando's love of brake testing drivers..... pitty there was hardly as much uproar for that dangerous driving

again go watch something else if your dont like drivers banging wheels!

[Gaz]

define utterly stupid.... racings racing. By your definition what they did was stupid or they wouldnt have made contact no?
But if you are scared of banging wheels go watch something else! or find someone else to nit pick, while its in fashion right now to bag on every Lewis move or comment its getting pretty old!

Utterly stupid as in squeezing another driver off the track in the wet on a really fast part of the track, completely missing the braking point for a corner and almost ramming the driver infront of you, you know the usual stuff that Lewis pulls when someone passes him, he's passing someone or just defending his position. But hey, even if someone dies as a result it's racing right, no biggie.

we have a new Forumula1.com OHS champion
cant believe youre using the start of Japan as leverage, that is the norm how many times have we seen it FFS , if it was some other driver we wouldnt even be talking about it!!!

and all drivers have done dirty moves in their career none are angels no doubting people have forgotten Fernando's love of brake testing drivers..... pitty there was hardly as much uproar for that dangerous driving

again go watch something else if your dont like drivers banging wheels!

Yeh, the fact is its very hard not to brush wheels when your racing especialy in open wheel racing. You both want the fast line and you want to gain or don't want to loose position so squeezing somone is just part of racing.

Oak, you should go watch go-karting or gp2 formula 3 etc.. and look how much contact there is there.

I mean honestly Oak, what do you want them to just use lap time and wave each other past?

Don't get me wrong i don't want to see Shui-Massa esq ramming but i do want to see racing. And what your talking about is a F1 train which we don't wanna watch

[texasmr2]

Shui-Massa esq ramming

That's kinda funny!

[Gaz]

Shui-Massa esq ramming

That's kinda funny!

lol

[TheOak]

define utterly stupid.... racings racing. By your definition what they did was stupid or they wouldnt have made contact no?
But if you are scared of banging wheels go watch something else! or find someone else to nit pick, while its in fashion right now to bag on every Lewis move or comment its getting pretty old!

Utterly stupid as in squeezing another driver off the track in the wet on a really fast part of the track, completely missing the braking point for a corner and almost ramming the driver infront of you, you know the usual stuff that Lewis pulls when someone passes him, he's passing someone or just defending his position. But hey, even if someone dies as a result it's racing right, no biggie.

we have a new Forumula1.com OHS champion
cant believe youre using the start of Japan as leverage, that is the norm how many times have we seen it FFS , if it was some other driver we wouldnt even be talking about it!!!

and all drivers have done dirty moves in their career none are angels no doubting people have forgotten Fernando's love of brake testing drivers..... pitty there was hardly as much uproar for that dangerous driving

again go watch something else if your dont like drivers banging wheels!

Yeh, the fact is its very hard not to brush wheels when your racing especialy in open wheel racing. You both want the fast line and you want to gain or don't want to loose position so squeezing somone is just part of racing.

Oak, you should go watch go-karting or gp2 formula 3 etc.. and look how much contact there is there.

I mean honestly Oak, what do you want them to just use lap time and wave each other past?

Don't get me wrong i don't want to see Shui-Massa esq ramming but i do want to see racing. And what your talking about is a F1 train which we don't wanna watch

So you're saying you can't be succesfull in F1 by racing cleanly? Hmmm, Häkkinen won 2 championships, can you remember him resorting to dirty tricks? Did anyone ever, even once complain about his driving? Don't think so. Guess he was just that much better than Hamilton, huh?