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By Tony_sa
#73331
ok guys ... think thats enough now. KyrosV doesnt want him in their camp as well. so me better lay off for the moment cos id mclaren does come through he really gonna moon me. thats how proud he's gonna be. but remember .... only pulling you guys legs. no harm intended
#73332
ok guys ... think thats enough now. KyrosV doesnt want him in their camp as well. so me better lay off for the moment cos id mclaren does come through he really gonna moon me. thats how proud he's gonna be. but remember .... only pulling you guys legs. no harm intended

:wink:
#73337
And dude, I dont think everyone hates Lewis. I guess those F1 drivers hates Alonso more than they hate Lewis. Isnt it obvious that Alonso is just plainly jealous for the fact that Lewis is much more successful than he is now?


bollocks,

Alonso:
27 yrs old
2 WDCs
21 wins
17poles
11 fastest laps
538 points

Hamilton:
23 yrs old
0 WDCs
8 wins
11 poles
2 fastest laps
193 points

sum up: Lewis is not even a great yet and his career is not comparable to alonso's. And Fernando is not done yet, I wouldnt put it past him to become a 3 times champion.


there no denying it got to him being beaten by a rookie


I dont think his relations with LH are that bad but his relations with Mclaren are worse. He would of won last year if he had support from them but of course he didnt. and was basically his own team last year



Lewis would of won last year if he had support from Alonso but of course he didnt. and was basically his own team last year
#73339
And dude, I dont think everyone hates Lewis. I guess those F1 drivers hates Alonso more than they hate Lewis. Isnt it obvious that Alonso is just plainly jealous for the fact that Lewis is much more successful than he is now?


bollocks,

Alonso:
27 yrs old
2 WDCs
21 wins
17poles
11 fastest laps
538 points

Hamilton:
23 yrs old
0 WDCs
8 wins
11 poles
2 fastest laps
193 points

sum up: Lewis is not even a great yet and his career is not comparable to alonso's. And Fernando is not done yet, I wouldnt put it past him to become a 3 times champion.


there no denying it got to him being beaten by a rookie


I dont think his relations with LH are that bad but his relations with Mclaren are worse. He would of won last year if he had support from them but of course he didnt. and was basically his own team last year



Lewis would of won last year if he had support from Alonso but of course he didnt. and was basically his own team last year


To be honest, Alonso would've sealed it all up quite nicely if he didn't stoop so low in qualifying at Hungary. On pole, he probably would've dominated that race and been world champion last year. As it stands, he was the reason his campaign fell apart.
#73340
Lewis would of won last year if he had support from Alonso but of course he didnt. and was basically his own team last year

:hehe: Actually Lewis would have won last year if he had not fluffed, did you not watch the last 3-4 race's?
#73342
And dude, I dont think everyone hates Lewis. I guess those F1 drivers hates Alonso more than they hate Lewis. Isnt it obvious that Alonso is just plainly jealous for the fact that Lewis is much more successful than he is now?

EDITED FOR CLARITY

I dont think his relations with LH are that bad but his relations with Mclaren are worse. He would of won last year if he had support from them but of course he didnt. and was basically his own team last year

Lewis would of won last year if he had support from Alonso but of course he didnt. and was basically his own team last year


To be honest, Alonso would've sealed it all up quite nicely if he didn't stoop so low in qualifying at Hungary. On pole, he probably would've dominated that race and been world champion last year. As it stands, he was the reason his campaign fell apart.


That stunt and the swerve he pulled off on the home straight at USA GP did it for me with regard to Alonso. He was saying that as the reigning world champ that Lewis should help HIM to the title again even though Lewis was ahead of him in the championship for most, if not all, of the season.
#73348
To be honest, Alonso would've sealed it all up quite nicely if he didn't stoop so low in qualifying at Hungary. On pole, he probably would've dominated that race and been world champion last year. As it stands, he was the reason his campaign fell apart.

To be fair to Alonso here, Hamilton was the one who originally did not stick to the plan. Okay, Alonso should not have reacted to Hamilton's silliness, but I don't blame him for what he did.
#73349
To be honest, Alonso would've sealed it all up quite nicely if he didn't stoop so low in qualifying at Hungary. On pole, he probably would've dominated that race and been world champion last year. As it stands, he was the reason his campaign fell apart.

To be fair to Alonso here, Hamilton was the one who originally did not stick to the plan. Okay, Alonso should not have reacted to Hamilton's silliness, but I don't blame him for what he did.


Yeah, I totally agree with you.

To be honest, I never really understood why Lewis did that, because it's not like he wasn't given the same treatment at other races (the British Grand Prix was one, I think?). And I'm willing to bet that he fully expected Alonso to stick to the plan at any subsequent races.

But fact is, Alonso did lose his cool over it, which did spark the downfall of McLaren's title campaigns last year, really. Before incidents like Hungary and the Spygate thing, you could see that there wasn't really any way for McLaren not to lose the titles.
#73350
Yeah, I totally agree with you.

To be honest, I never really understood why Lewis did that, because it's not like he wasn't given the same treatment at other races (the British Grand Prix was one, I think?). And I'm willing to bet that he fully expected Alonso to stick to the plan at any subsequent races.

But fact is, Alonso did lose his cool over it, which did spark the downfall of McLaren's title campaigns last year, really. Before incidents like Hungary and the Spygate thing, you could see that there wasn't really any way for McLaren not to lose the titles.

Both drivers wanted to be able to win their home Grand Prix, so McLaren agreed to that and both drivers were happy enough. Alonso was given the priority strategy to win in Spain and Hamilton got the same treatment in Britain. In Monaco, Alonso got first pick of strategy, for he looked the slightly faster driver for most of the weekend. There was, basically, a civil war in McLaren, but I don't agree that it ruined the team's title chances, however. What ruined McLaren's title chances was Alonso crashing in Japan (his own fault, but the weather was dreadful) and Hamilton botching things up in China and Brazil
#73351
Yeah, I totally agree with you.

To be honest, I never really understood why Lewis did that, because it's not like he wasn't given the same treatment at other races (the British Grand Prix was one, I think?). And I'm willing to bet that he fully expected Alonso to stick to the plan at any subsequent races.

But fact is, Alonso did lose his cool over it, which did spark the downfall of McLaren's title campaigns last year, really. Before incidents like Hungary and the Spygate thing, you could see that there wasn't really any way for McLaren not to lose the titles.

Both drivers wanted to be able to win their home Grand Prix, so McLaren agreed to that and both drivers were happy enough. Alonso was given the priority strategy to win in Spain and Hamilton got the same treatment in Britain. In Monaco, Alonso got first pick of strategy, for he looked the slightly faster driver for most of the weekend. There was, basically, a civil war in McLaren, but I don't agree that it ruined the team's title chances, however. What ruined McLaren's title chances was Alonso crashing in Japan (his own fault, but the weather was dreadful) and Hamilton botching things up in China and Brazil


Perhaps "ruined" is the wrong word. The in-fighting certainly hindered them, though, and they did remarkably well to still be fighting for the title in the last round. I think that a calmer atmosphere in the team may have helped things, certainly in Brazil, though the technical glitch could still quite easily have happened.
#73353
Yeah, I totally agree with you.

To be honest, I never really understood why Lewis did that, because it's not like he wasn't given the same treatment at other races (the British Grand Prix was one, I think?). And I'm willing to bet that he fully expected Alonso to stick to the plan at any subsequent races.

But fact is, Alonso did lose his cool over it, which did spark the downfall of McLaren's title campaigns last year, really. Before incidents like Hungary and the Spygate thing, you could see that there wasn't really any way for McLaren not to lose the titles.

Both drivers wanted to be able to win their home Grand Prix, so McLaren agreed to that and both drivers were happy enough. Alonso was given the priority strategy to win in Spain and Hamilton got the same treatment in Britain. In Monaco, Alonso got first pick of strategy, for he looked the slightly faster driver for most of the weekend. There was, basically, a civil war in McLaren, but I don't agree that it ruined the team's title chances, however. What ruined McLaren's title chances was Alonso crashing in Japan (his own fault, but the weather was dreadful) and Hamilton botching things up in China and Brazil


Perhaps "ruined" is the wrong word. The in-fighting certainly hindered them, though, and they did remarkably well to still be fighting for the title in the last round. I think that a calmer atmosphere in the team may have helped things, certainly in Brazil, though the technical glitch could still quite easily have happened.

Not to mention having a Spanish FIA inspector around the garage to ensure everything was equal between Hamilton and Alonso. :rolleyes:

I'm also not sure that Hamilton had a technical glitch. It's very possible that he did, but McLaren often seem to like to take pressure off their drivers when they make mistakes by taking the blame upon themselves (if there is not another excuse they can use). It's maybe unfair to the guys who design and build the parts and put them altogether to build the whole car, but, at the end of the day, it's the drivers who have to ensure all their work comes to fruition, so maybe it's not a bad idea.
#73356
Yeah, I totally agree with you.

To be honest, I never really understood why Lewis did that, because it's not like he wasn't given the same treatment at other races (the British Grand Prix was one, I think?). And I'm willing to bet that he fully expected Alonso to stick to the plan at any subsequent races.

But fact is, Alonso did lose his cool over it, which did spark the downfall of McLaren's title campaigns last year, really. Before incidents like Hungary and the Spygate thing, you could see that there wasn't really any way for McLaren not to lose the titles.

Both drivers wanted to be able to win their home Grand Prix, so McLaren agreed to that and both drivers were happy enough. Alonso was given the priority strategy to win in Spain and Hamilton got the same treatment in Britain. In Monaco, Alonso got first pick of strategy, for he looked the slightly faster driver for most of the weekend. There was, basically, a civil war in McLaren, but I don't agree that it ruined the team's title chances, however. What ruined McLaren's title chances was Alonso crashing in Japan (his own fault, but the weather was dreadful) and Hamilton botching things up in China and Brazil


Perhaps "ruined" is the wrong word. The in-fighting certainly hindered them, though, and they did remarkably well to still be fighting for the title in the last round. I think that a calmer atmosphere in the team may have helped things, certainly in Brazil, though the technical glitch could still quite easily have happened.

Not to mention having a Spanish FIA inspector around the garage to ensure everything was equal between Hamilton and Alonso. :rolleyes:

I'm also not sure that Hamilton had a technical glitch. It's very possible that he did, but McLaren often seem to like to take pressure off their drivers when they make mistakes by taking the blame upon themselves (if there is not another excuse they can use). It's maybe unfair to the guys who design and build the parts and put them altogether to build the whole car, but, at the end of the day, it's the drivers who have to ensure all their work comes to fruition, so maybe it's not a bad idea.


Magic button scenario, then? :P
#73379
tbh, im not that impressd how everyone seems to be criticising lh, not really impressed that alonso said he would help massa win the title either, [not quite sure if he meant it as he would go out of his way tho]

its things like this that start to make me prefer that lh won than massa, for whatever lh is, and says, he does make races interesting and always tries to win, not always the best idea for him but its entertaining!

hes not perfect, but neither is massa or alonso or whoever.
#73381
tbh, im not that impressd how everyone seems to be criticising lh, not really impressed that alonso said he would help massa win the title either, [not quite sure if he meant it as he would go out of his way tho]

its things like this that start to make me prefer that lh won than massa, for whatever lh is, and says, he does make races interesting and always tries to win, not always the best idea for him but its entertaining!

hes not perfect, but neither is massa or alonso or whoever.


Wise words!!
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