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[bud]

That last comment was a perfect example, thank you.

and youre a perfect example of a blind Ferrari sheep

[csrracer]

The administrators should change the name of this site to "Uncoveringtheworldwideconspiracyagainstmclaren-ula1.net".

Do you think we could talk about racing at all?

Racing on an even playing field is what we want, Not racing on an even playing field, as long as you are driving a Ferrari. The move on Weber that was dangerous and against the rules and went without penalty, No Mclarens involved.

The ruling against Bourdais: Bourdais had the rite to the inside line and did nothing wrong, Massa clearly turned in on him. Please explain why they waited until after the race to make their decision when there was still 15 laps left?
While you are it explain to me why it wasn't a 10 spot grid position for the next race. According to the FIA rule book the 25 second penalty is only used when there are under 6 laps left in the race, and not enough time to serve a drive through?
By the way Bourdais does Not drive a Mclaren.

[Malibu327]

Wow. How quickly one's opinion of someone can turn! Here, I thought we were pals. Not very nice at all.

I think if you put Hamilton in a Ferrari or a BMW, he would be champion hands down... despite the fact that the McLaren is faster. But he works for a team that isn't concerned with his well being and the well being of the crew. Ron Dennis has shown repeatedly that he is a sore loser and it rubs off on his drivers and his crews. It causes them to put on a terrible public face and to make foolish decisions on the track. Racing is racing, sometimes it goes your way, sometimes not... it's how you respond that makes a driver and a team great.

Now, come back with a personal attack on my intelligence because I like the color red:


Oh, and csrracer, if you look at the on-board, there is no way Massa saw Bourdais... he didn't turn in on him, he was on track, he had the line. Of course our bias will cause us all to see what we want to see, right?

[bud]

Personal? being labeled a Ferrari sheep isnt personal, just stating a fact mate You behave like one you write like one and no doubt you look like one so its fair to say you are one

isnt concerned with his well being?? mate what are you on? why have they paved his way since he was 12 if they didnt care for his well being or his future?
the team is fully committed to Lewis as Lewis is to the team, if you have read any of the teams press releases or even seen their photos or articles from their own website you would not be making such accusations

[McLaren Fan]

In my view, McLaren take almost too much flak for their drivers. There has been a number of incidents over the years were drivers' gaffes were put down to technical reasons, for instance. Perhaps it's the best way to go in order to take the pressure of the driver, who's the one who has to get the results at the end of the day, but I can't help but feel for the other members of the team. If that isn't looking after your drivers, then I don't know what is.

[Malibu327]

Exactly, they consider him a tool. A piece of equipment expected to perform a certain way. Most sports teams are guilty of this but it's quite apparent in the attitudes surrounding McLaren. Watch Ron Dennis sometime from the point of view of an outsider, you'll see it.

And, please don't give me this crap about press releases and public statements... you aren't really that naive are you? When you are involved in a multi-million dollar industry, you say whatever it is you think people want to hear. It's the same reason you shouldn't trust government... when money or power are at stake, all bets are off.

The point is, I worry that Hamilton is going to hurt himself or someone else due to unnecessary pressures.

Notice there's nothing in here about your personal feelings, beliefs or appearance...



They were certainly looking for Alonso, eh?

[bud]

And, please don't give me this crap about press releases and public statements... you aren't really that naive are you? When you are involved in a multi-million dollar industry, you say whatever it is you think people want to hear. It's the same reason you shouldn't trust government... when money or power are at stake, all bets are off.

where do you get your point of view from then smart arse? are you close to the team do you know more than what they hand out via the press releases?

BTW i am a member of McLaren i have access to their web forum, the racingline magazine and other articles on the site that you would have no idea about.

[csrracer]

Oh, and csrracer, if you look at the on-board, there is no way Massa saw Bourdais... he didn't turn in on him, he was on track, he had the line. Of course our bias will cause us all to see what we want to see, right?

According to the prerace driver's briefing the driver exiting the pits has rite of way to the inside of the turn, I can't say wether or not he did see him but he should have, in the footage from the camera mounted to Massa's left. Bourdais's car comes into frame from the left Massa should have seen him at that point and should have known he was there. Furthermore if Massa's excuse is he couldn't see Bourdais then Bourdais couldn't have seen him. This was just a racing incident and in no way should have been penalized, and I have yet to hear any close minded Ferrari Fanatic's explanation for why they waited until the end of the race to make the decision. By the way I'm not the one being biased, I just want to see the rules being enforced evenly for all the teams.

[Malibu327]

So, the driver at full pace should come to a stop to let a car still getting up to speed through? Not likely.

As far as why the FIA does anything, who knows? They wait to the last minute for stupid crap all the time. The stewards are practically politicians. I agree with people in the other threads that someone like Jean Todt.... or what about Flavio?... should be making the decisions. Look at the stupid rules they've come up with in the last few years to try to even the field.

The real problem here is can be summed up in: "Just let the guys race!"

As far as the press releases and point of view - actions speak louder than words.

[darwin dali]

Oh, and csrracer, if you look at the on-board, there is no way Massa saw Bourdais... he didn't turn in on him, he was on track, he had the line. Of course our bias will cause us all to see what we want to see, right?

According to the prerace driver's briefing the driver exiting the pits has rite of way to the inside of the turn, I can't say wether or not he did see him but he should have, in the footage from the camera mounted to Massa's left. Bourdais's car comes into frame from the left Massa should have seen him at that point and should have known he was there. Furthermore if Massa's excuse is he couldn't see Bourdais then Bourdais couldn't have seen him. This was just a racing incident and in no way should have been penalized, and I have yet to hear any close minded Ferrari Fanatic's explanation for why they waited until the end of the race to make the decision. By the way I'm not the one being biased, I just want to see the rules being enforced evenly for all the teams.

Because it's in the regs and because you don't read the posts in the threads that you post in

After Spa didn't they also claim that Hamilton received a 25 second penalty because it was in the last 5 laps of the race and therefore too late to be given a drive through. This is one of their written rules, yet the bullpoo call on Bourdais had 15 laps left in the race, yet the stewards waited to see where Massa finished the race before making the judgement. Clearly this penalty should have been ruled a 10 spot penalty for next race since the race was already over, and a drive through was not available. What could they possibly do next in Ferrari's favor to be more obvious ? Shame on FIA for trying their hardest to ruin F1.

FIA 2008 Formula 1 Sporting Regulations wrote:
16) INCIDENTS
16.1 "Incident" means any occurrence or series of occurrences involving one or more drivers, or any action by
any driver, which is reported to the stewards by the race director (or noted by the stewards and referred to
the race director for investigation) which :- necessitated the suspension of a race under Article 41 ;
- constituted a breach of these Sporting Regulations or the Code ;
- caused a false start by one or more cars ;
- caused a collision ;
- forced a driver off the track ;
- illegitimately prevented a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre by a driver ;
- illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.
Unless it was completely clear that a driver was in breach of any of the above, any incidents involving more than one car will normally be investigated after the race.

My guess is they needed more time for analysis, possibly question the drivers involved.

[bud]

As far as the press releases and point of view - actions speak louder than words.

again you see "actions" via the media

mate your arguments weak! you condemn basing an opinion via the media yet you yourself can ONLY make your opinion via multi media access. until you are involved in F1 GP racing none of us can claim other wise


and yes let them race then why punish Bordais for racing a Ferrari? Like CSR has said we want to see racing we just want an even playing ground!

[Malibu327]

A live video feed and a press release are not the same thing. Get a grip.

[Malibu327]

I think maybe you boys are just upset because it was a French team that was first to stand up and handle the Scuderia domination of the last few years....

[bud]

A live video feed and a press release are not the same thing. Get a grip.

you need to get a grip mate
youre saying from a live video feed you know the whole goings on of McLaren all to how they treat their drivers????

maybe you have a grip of something afterall

[Malibu327]

A live video feed and a press release are not the same thing. Get a grip.

youre saying from a live video feed you know the whole goings on of McLaren all to how they treat their drivers????

No, I'm saying you can see how the drivers and team act in a race versus what they say.