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[cap-dude]

For whatever reason, the F1 site has now got footage of all the incidents posted on their site
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/ ... /8530.html

Personally, I think these are great, as it shows some proper onboard footage that explains some incidents better.
But anyways, see if you see anything differently, but I'm more than sure everyone will continue to back their favorite driver.

[scotty]

Thanks for posting that. It pretty much confirms that Massa in no way had the first corner over Bourdais, and also that Hamilton didn't actually touch Raikkonen at the start - although it would have been good if they put the start from Raikkonen's camera on there.

[McLaren Fan]

For whatever reason, the F1 site has now got footage of all the incidents posted on their site
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/ ... /8530.html

Personally, I think these are great, as it shows some proper onboard footage that explains some incidents better.
But anyways, see if you see anything differently, but I'm more than sure everyone will continue to back their favorite driver.

Great footage. Thanks for pointing it out.

Having watched it over and over again, Hamilton swerve towards Kovalainen does not look as bad as it first did from the camera angle with the cars approaching. That's incident which annoyed me most. Also, although Hamilton completely out-braked himself and did prevent Raikkonen from taking the first corner, his lock-up wasn't also quite as dangerous as it first looked. I always maintained his drive-through penalty was harsh, for Hamilton punished himself. Still, if the stewards did want to give him a penalty, they could give him nothing smaller than a drive-through penalty, so I've no major beefs about Hamilton's situation here.

Massa taking off Hamilton looks more and more crazy every time I watch it. There was no way it was Hamilton's fault, as Massa suggests, for Hamilton took the corner almost as normal. The footage doesn't prove or disprove whether or not Massa deliberately punted Hamilton off the circuit, but at best it was a total moment of madness from Massa. There was no way his car was getting through that gap and there was no way he should have been doing what he was doing. His actions could have a say in the championship battle, so a harsher penalty should have been applied.

Massa's tangle with Bourdais was completely the fault of the former. It's as clear as day. Bourdais was on the kerb, so couldn't do any more to avoid Massa. And what's more is that Massa had so much space to get past Bourdais. He didn't even need to go so close to him. This was a certain stop-and-go penalty for Massa as well.

Interestingly there is no footage of Massa getting past Webber, but there is some on You Tube, and it's pretty clear that Massa was in the wrong. For this, he should have got another penalty!

[Gaz]

well its a shock they did that kinda admits they weren't quite right.

with lewis's start it don't look all that bad kimi and lewis just tried to outbreak each other not as if lewis hit him and he really messed his tires up from the onboard. I don't think he should of been punished.

Massa should of got a 10sec stop and go for that move on lewis tho it was avoidable. He should also of been given a 25sec penalty for that move on Seb B as he was on the inside.

some bad decisions made by the stewards there.

[scotty]

There was no way it was Hamilton's fault, as Massa suggests, for Hamilton took the corner almost as normal.

I can't believe he said that one was Hamilton's fault.

[Hanwombat]

Great footage, you can clearly see Massa is at fault TWICE

Argh watching that on-board camera with Felipe, you could see he knew he was going to hit Lewis! He just kept on the acceleration

[stonemonkey]

Nice stuff, good to see all those angles.

On Hamiltons start, I don't see it as being particularly aggressive compared to what goes on in any start. After a poor start he got a tow off Kimi, pushed Heikki out and braked stupidly late messing up his own race right from the start. IMO none of that is all that uncommon and has gone without penalty before.

On Massa-Hamilton, I don't think Massa hit him intentionally but was too eager not to lose too much ground after messing up the corner and caused an avoidable collision.

On Massa-Bourdais, The video shows Massa gets ahead under braking but I think Bourdais' intentions were to keep out his way and stay at the inside with Massa being a bit eager to get back to the racing line. A racing incident and no need for a penalty IMO.

Everyone'll see it all differently though.

[Denthúl]

well its a shock they did that kinda admits they weren't quite right.

with lewis's start it don't look all that bad kimi and lewis just tried to outbreak each other not as if lewis hit him and he really messed his tires up from the onboard. I don't think he should of been punished.

Massa should of got a 10sec stop and go for that move on lewis tho it was avoidable. He should also of been given a 25sec penalty for that move on Seb B as he was on the inside.

some bad decisions made by the stewards there.

The first incident warranted something, though like McLaren Fan I agree that a drive-through was harsh but the minimum penalty.

The second one was complete stupidity from Massa, but an avoidable accident has been punished with a drive-through before, so I don't see why the FIA should add yet more inconsistency to their decisions.

The third one was, again, stupidity although it was more a racing incident than anything else. Neither driver should have received a penalty for it, though Massa should've had a reprimand for not yielding and the warning that if he does it again then a further penalty would be issued. For Bourdais to be penalised was complete madness from a trio of stewards who, otherwise, did a good job this weekend. Kind of spoiled the race for me, did that one.

[csrracer]

What I think is most Interesting is why are they posting this footage on their own web-site? Maybe they feel guilty?
It does not show either of the Mclarens hitting Kimi as Kimi so blatantly whined about.
It shows Hamilton going into turn 1 too fast on the start of the race... not something usually penalized.
It also shows that Masa was lying when he said he had no place to go when he hit Hamilton, you can tell by his loss of traction in the rear tires that he was accelerating hard into the turn and purposely goes off track.
The footage from the side shot shows that Bourdais was ahead of Masa, but I can understand how Masa may have thought he was past him when he turned in on Bourdais, but still I don't see how they claim this was Bourdais fault that should have been penalized.

[Haze]

Just before Massa hits Hamilton, he gets a quick flick of opposite lock. Whether it's a deliberate attempt to make sure a stronger part hits Hamilton or just an attempt to avoid the incident is debatable, but he's basically 90 degrees to the lad, and should never have been there.

[Gaz]

well its a shock they did that kinda admits they weren't quite right.

with lewis's start it don't look all that bad kimi and lewis just tried to outbreak each other not as if lewis hit him and he really messed his tires up from the onboard. I don't think he should of been punished.

Massa should of got a 10sec stop and go for that move on lewis tho it was avoidable. He should also of been given a 25sec penalty for that move on Seb B as he was on the inside.

some bad decisions made by the stewards there.

The first incident warranted something, though like McLaren Fan I agree that a drive-through was harsh but the minimum penalty.

The second one was complete stupidity from Massa, but an avoidable accident has been punished with a drive-through before, so I don't see why the FIA should add yet more inconsistency to their decisions.

The third one was, again, stupidity although it was more a racing incident than anything else. Neither driver should have received a penalty for it, though Massa should've had a reprimand for not yielding and the warning that if he does it again then a further penalty would be issued. For Bourdais to be penalised was complete madness from a trio of stewards who, otherwise, did a good job this weekend. Kind of spoiled the race for me, did that one.

The thing is if that was Lewis or Hekki instead of Kimi and Massa and Kimi instead of lewis then i can say i don't belive massa would of got a penalty.

it seamed they gave lewis a penalty to make sure he was still behind massa.

[scotty]

Actually, i'm surprised we aren't having to pay a fee to watch vids courtesy of the official F1 site.... maybe we should take advantage while it lasts.

[TheOak]

Completely agree with both Hamiltons and Massas penalties, that kind of driving is just wrong in so many ways. Not only is it dangerous but it also ruins races for the driver himself, other drivers, spectators and should merrit a severe enough penalty so drivers will think twice about resorting to those kind of tactics.

I hope that we'll get to see some clean, fair racing in China and Brazil.

[scotty]

I hope that we'll get to see some clean, fair racing in China and Brazil.

I hope to win the lottery on saturday

[liquidmetal]

well .... these decisions will be debated for a long time even after this season is over .... i believe that both hamilton's & massa's penalties were slightly on the harsher side but then, they were the minimum punishments which can be handed out .... ideally, bourdais shouldnt have been penalised though ...