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[csrracer]

Give an example of when its been punished before.
As far as I can remember, there's been similar moves that have gone without punishment, simply because there was dangerous incident involved. Its always been fine to use the end of the pitlane.

It must be hard to read with horse blinders on. The Governing body of F1 claimed after the Spa penalty that "the racing surface was defined by the area between the painted lines and that any advantage gained by driving outside this area will be penalized." Massa was not just over the Pit exit blend line but he also had all 4 wheels over the area painted red. Wich by their own definition is not considered the "racing surface".
Don't take me as a Massa Hater I like him, he's one of my favorite drivers, But the inconsistencies with the penalties, and how the rules seem to change on a weekly basis, is ruining what would otherwise be an incredible season.

[stonemonkey]

Give an example of when its been punished before.
As far as I can remember, there's been similar moves that have gone without punishment, simply because there was dangerous incident involved. Its always been fine to use the end of the pitlane.

I cant really comment on the Massa/Webber incident as at that stage of the race i did not see due to work commitments.

But as far as i know i dont think its illegal i know at the start of the race its ok, but the only thing im unsure of is if its in the drivers briefing whether youre not alloed to use that part of the track during the race because there may be another car exiting the pits at any time.

and we all know cars exiting the pits are not allowed to cut across that line or face a drive through.

It wasn't just the pit exit line that he crossed bud



Very dangerous IMO.

[csrracer]

Nice evidence, Thank you for clarifying my point, of course at the time if Sutil was exiting the pits and Masa hit them, Sutil would have been penalized ala Bourdais.

[Hanwombat]

So so dangerous, the tosser, and yet no investigation

[csrracer]

The investigation I would like to see would be into Masa's telemetry system on the corner were he rammed Hamilton.
He was quoted as saying "There was nothing I could do I was going to fast" . But it looked like he was practically stopped
then sped up before going over the curb and hitting Hamilton. He was also quoted as saying "Bourdais hit me from behind" when Bourdais was clearly ahead of him. I like Masa's usual cool headed and consistent driving, but I think he was off his rocker during this race.

[stonemonkey]

Another thing to note about that pic, Webber did not push Massa off, Massa made his own way out there to make the pass. I have no idea why tbh, Webber couldn't have come back across if Massa had gone to the left.

[Denthúl]

So so dangerous, the tosser, and yet no investigation

Thank you. That adds plenty of weight to the point I made yesterday

[stonemonkey]

The investigation I would like to see would be into Masa's telemetry system on the corner were he rammed Hamilton.
He was quoted as saying "There was nothing I could do I was going to fast" . But it looked like he was practically stopped
then sped up before going over the curb and hitting Hamilton. He was also quoted as saying "Bourdais hit me from behind" when Bourdais was clearly ahead of him. I like Masa's usual cool headed and consistent driving, but I think he was off his rocker during this race.

He was penalised so no investigation required but Massa is talking rubbish, he'd gone wide (without any contact with Hamilton) then turned right for the first part of the chicane and accelerated still on the track then turned left to shortcut the second part of the chicane instead of taking the tight line around the corner he'd left himself with, Hamilton left him plenty room. I don't believe he intended to hit Hamilton but he did cause a collision by intentionally cutting a corner.

[McLaren Fan]

The investigation I would like to see would be into Masa's telemetry system on the corner were he rammed Hamilton.
He was quoted as saying "There was nothing I could do I was going to fast" . But it looked like he was practically stopped
then sped up before going over the curb and hitting Hamilton. He was also quoted as saying "Bourdais hit me from behind" when Bourdais was clearly ahead of him. I like Masa's usual cool headed and consistent driving, but I think he was off his rocker during this race.

He was penalised so no investigation required but Massa is talking rubbish, he'd gone wide (without any contact with Hamilton) then turned right for the first part of the chicane and accelerated still on the track then turned left to shortcut the second part of the chicane instead of taking the tight line around the corner he'd left himself with, Hamilton left him plenty room. I don't believe he intended to hit Hamilton but he did cause a collision by intentionally cutting a corner.

Massa out-braked himself so badly Hamilton took the corner normally. Massa was almost literally miles away from Hamilton. Contrary to what one or two people said on here, there is no way what Massa did can be compared to what Hamilton did in Belgium.

[Hanwombat]

So so dangerous, the tosser, and yet no investigation

Thank you. That adds plenty of weight to the point I made yesterday

[csrracer]

The investigation I would like to see would be into Masa's telemetry system on the corner were he rammed Hamilton.
He was quoted as saying "There was nothing I could do I was going to fast" . But it looked like he was practically stopped
then sped up before going over the curb and hitting Hamilton. He was also quoted as saying "Bourdais hit me from behind" when Bourdais was clearly ahead of him. I like Masa's usual cool headed and consistent driving, but I think he was off his rocker during this race.

He was penalised so no investigation required but Massa is talking rubbish, he'd gone wide (without any contact with Hamilton) then turned right for the first part of the chicane and accelerated still on the track then turned left to shortcut the second part of the chicane instead of taking the tight line around the corner he'd left himself with, Hamilton left him plenty room. I don't believe he intended to hit Hamilton but he did cause a collision by intentionally cutting a corner.

Massa out-braked himself so badly Hamilton took the corner normally. Massa was almost literally miles away from Hamilton. Contrary to what one or two people said on here, there is no way what Massa did can be compared to what Hamilton did in Belgium.

I couldn't say wether or not Masa hit Hamilton intentionally or not, but he was accelerating hard considering he had no place to go, It's one thing to be involved with another car in the heat of battle but this looked to me like he deliberately hit him. F1 is not the place for that type of negligence and Masa's whole race was one incident after another.

[McLaren Fan]

I couldn't say wether or not Masa hit Hamilton intentionally or not, but he was accelerating hard considering he had no place to go, It's one thing to be involved with another car in the heat of battle but this looked to me like he deliberately hit him. F1 is not the place for that type of negligence and Masa's whole race was one incident after another.

There is good evidence either way for Massa's actions being deliberate or stupid, but, in either case, he's lucky to have got away with a drive-through penalty. It was a bit of a kop out, in my view.

[csrracer]

I couldn't say wether or not Masa hit Hamilton intentionally or not, but he was accelerating hard considering he had no place to go, It's one thing to be involved with another car in the heat of battle but this looked to me like he deliberately hit him. F1 is not the place for that type of negligence and Masa's whole race was one incident after another.

There is good evidence either way for Massa's actions being deliberate or stupid, but, in either case, he's lucky to have got away with a drive-through penalty. It was a bit of a kop out, in my view.

Absolutely there is a 10 second stop and go penalty available for that type of behavior, and this was the perfect place for it to be enforced.

[McLaren Fan]

I couldn't say wether or not Masa hit Hamilton intentionally or not, but he was accelerating hard considering he had no place to go, It's one thing to be involved with another car in the heat of battle but this looked to me like he deliberately hit him. F1 is not the place for that type of negligence and Masa's whole race was one incident after another.

There is good evidence either way for Massa's actions being deliberate or stupid, but, in either case, he's lucky to have got away with a drive-through penalty. It was a bit of a kop out, in my view.

Absolutely there is a 10 second stop and go penalty available for that type of behavior, and this was the perfect place for it to be enforced.

I was thinking more along the lines of Massa being disqualified from the race. If it was proven he did deliberately take out Hamilton, then he should be disqualified from the championship, just as Schumacher was in 1997.

[csrracer]

That would never happen these days, but I do agree.