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[Rivelution]

Massa had loads of track and he squeezed Bourdais and left him nowhere. It was not neccessary and Massa only got that extra point when Max intervened. I told you earlier DD why tbey couldnt rule on it during the race and it turned out I was exactly right! They didnt like the result so they changed it.

- illegitimately prevented a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre by a driver ;
- illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.
Unless it was completely clear that a driver was in breach of any of the above, any incidents involving more than one car will normally be investigated after the race.

You're just looking for poor excuses to defend your man, and you know it.

[darwin dali]

Massa had loads of track and he squeezed Bourdais and left him nowhere. It was not neccessary and Massa only got that extra point when Max intervened. I told you earlier DD why tbey couldnt rule on it during the race and it turned out I was exactly right! They didnt like the result so they changed it.

- illegitimately prevented a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre by a driver ;
- illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.
Unless it was completely clear that a driver was in breach of any of the above, any incidents involving more than one car will normally be investigated after the race.

You're just looking for poor excuses to defend your man, and you know it.

Nah, you're wrong! I'm looking for GOOD excuses
But I don't have to since he's got such a lovely tight arse

[Rivelution]

Massa had loads of track and he squeezed Bourdais and left him nowhere. It was not neccessary and Massa only got that extra point when Max intervened. I told you earlier DD why tbey couldnt rule on it during the race and it turned out I was exactly right! They didnt like the result so they changed it.

- illegitimately prevented a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre by a driver ;
- illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.
Unless it was completely clear that a driver was in breach of any of the above, any incidents involving more than one car will normally be investigated after the race.

You're just looking for poor excuses to defend your man, and you know it.

Nah, you're wrong! I'm looking for GOOD excuses
But I don't have to since he's got such a lovely tight arse

and a balding head

[darwin dali]

Massa had loads of track and he squeezed Bourdais and left him nowhere. It was not neccessary and Massa only got that extra point when Max intervened. I told you earlier DD why tbey couldnt rule on it during the race and it turned out I was exactly right! They didnt like the result so they changed it.

- illegitimately prevented a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre by a driver ;
- illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.
Unless it was completely clear that a driver was in breach of any of the above, any incidents involving more than one car will normally be investigated after the race.

You're just looking for poor excuses to defend your man, and you know it.

Nah, you're wrong! I'm looking for GOOD excuses
But I don't have to since he's got such a lovely tight arse

and a balding head

I sure hope so - I don't like hair in my mouth!

[Rivelution]

Massa had loads of track and he squeezed Bourdais and left him nowhere. It was not neccessary and Massa only got that extra point when Max intervened. I told you earlier DD why tbey couldnt rule on it during the race and it turned out I was exactly right! They didnt like the result so they changed it.

- illegitimately prevented a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre by a driver ;
- illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.
Unless it was completely clear that a driver was in breach of any of the above, any incidents involving more than one car will normally be investigated after the race.

You're just looking for poor excuses to defend your man, and you know it.

Nah, you're wrong! I'm looking for GOOD excuses
But I don't have to since he's got such a lovely tight arse

and a balding head

I sure hope so - I don't like hair in my mouth!

I saw that comming. I thought about that when I was typing this, but I thought you wouldnt see it and it was only my dirty mind that would think of that. I guess not!

[darwin dali]

You naughty naughty boy you

[IceManpjn]

Massa now has cut the lead down to 5 points on Lewis due to him Seb B's penalty

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71351

massa hits him and he gets a penalty what a joke

Yeah, when they said during the race that it was going to be investigated, I was kind of expecting some sort of penalty to be imposed on Massa, but I guess I should have known better. They might just as well start handing out penalties to anybody that comes within ten seconds of a Ferrari and be done with it. To be honest, I was mildly surprised they even bothered handing a penalty to Massa for bending Hamilton over and anally raping him without Vaseline there in lap two.

You know, even though Hamilton's my guy, I still respect the other drivers out there, and that has included Massa, but in Japan Massa was just a total douche. And people complain about Hamilton's on-track behavior....

[Brando]

Massa causes, yet more contact and gets an extra point out of it. He should feel ashamed if he doesn't win the title with all the "after race points" he's been awarded this season. Good driver, but he's been gifted alot this year.

[Rivelution]

Massa causes, yet more contact and gets an extra point out of it. He should feel ashamed if he doesn't win the title with all the "after race points" he's been awarded this season. Good driver, but he's been gifted alot this year.

He's also had his fair shair of bad luck too.

[Brando]

Massa causes, yet more contact and gets an extra point out of it. He should feel ashamed if he doesn't win the title with all the "after race points" he's been awarded this season. Good driver, but he's been gifted alot this year.

He's also had his fair shair of bad luck too.

Yeah... but every driver has some bad luck. However Massa is the only driver that has had his 'bad luck' nuetralized by a few gifts curteousy the FIA.

[McLaren Fan]

Bordais saw what happened from a pretty good viewpoint as well

as for Felipe being a decent guy.... i wouldnt know ive never met him but he is a decent sportsman.... i dont think so, he has no quams receiving points post race infact he sees nothing wrong with it!

MASSA: HAMILTON AND BOURDAIS WERE TO BLAME
Sunday 12th October 2008


Felipe Massa has denied any wrongdoing in the Japanese GP - and blamed both Sebastien Bourdais and Lewis Hamilton for the two controversial collisions he was involved with.

The Ferrari driver, who cut across the chicane to ram the side of Hamilton's McLaren after being overtaken, was given a drive-through penalty for the second-lap incident, but escaped any punishment for his involvement in the collision with Bourdais. Instead, the Frenchman was handed a retrospective penalty, which in turn promoted Massa to seventh place and cut Hamilton's lead to the Brazilian in the World Championship standings to just five points.

Incredibly, despite the weight of evidence against him, Massa insisted that he was not to blame for colliding with Hamilton.

"It was a racing incident," he said. "I was a little bit wide at the corner and he put the car inside while I was outside.

"Then he pushed me a little bit close to the gravel and then I put two wheels on the gravel and he closed in and we touched.

"I was already on the gravel so I couldn't do anything and we touched."

Asked if he felt the stewards were right to punish both himself and Hamilton, Massa replied: "For him yes, for me I am not sure. I had two wheels on the gravel. I could not stop the car and I was on the gravel because he pushed me into the gravel."

The Brazilian also denied any wrongdoing in the incident with Bourdais and instead pointed the finger of blame squarely at the luckless Toro Rosso driver.

"I was turning in the corner and then he hit me coming out of the pits. There is nothing to comment on. For me, he was a little bit too optimistic on the inside and to me it was completely wrong."

In an extraordinary heated exchange with Autosport's Jonathan Noble, Massa then suggested the journalist's viewpoint had been blinded by patriotism when he was asked about his engineers celebrating wildly in the Ferrari garage when Hamilton was shunted into a spin.

"Are you English? Is that your point of view?" he retorted.

After an undeterred Noble pressed him for an answer, Massa commented: "Any time you see a Ferrari ahead of a McLaren, it is a good thing for the team. I am not going to rise to put fire on the gravel. I have a good relationship with Lewis, and I will not do something to destroy something by purpose. That is true."

how Noble of Massa
here is the interview

Q & A with Felipe Massa

By Jonathan Noble Sunday, October 12th 2008, 09:35 GMT

Felipe Massa closed the gap to Lewis Hamilton in the world championship to five points in Japan, but not in the style that he would have wished for. A controversial first corner, a collision with his McLaren rival and then a tangle with Sebastien Bourdais meant things were far from straightforward for the Brazilian.

Autosport.com was there when Massa spoke to the world's media after the race in the Fuji paddock.

Q. Have you had a more-incident filled race than that?

Felipe Massa: Yes, but not in Formula One. It was quite hard and a very difficult race. At the end of the day we managed to score points after a very difficult race, having driven through a lot of problems being pushed out, and then [an incident with Sebastien] Bourdais as well. We showed our incredible pace from the middle to the end of the race and we recovered some positions, some points, and that for sure was quite important.

Q. Can you explain more about the incident with Lewis Hamilton?

FM: I did the corner, Turn 10. He braked very late and I braked very late, and then I was a little bit wide in the first part of the corner. Then he had my inside line and pushed me a little bit wide in the gravel, and then I went with the wheels on the gravel but the next corner was on the left. Then we just touched each other, so in my opinion it was a racing incident. But we had a drivethrough and we paid, and it is a bit difficult to speak after the race when we have already had the drive through.

Q. Lewis says you hit him.

FM: That is what he thinks. But he also lost positions at the start and he tried to brake when everyone was turning for the corner.

Q. What about the Sebastien Bourdais incident?

FM: There is not really much to say about that. I was turning in the corner and then he hit me coming out of the pits. There is nothing to comment on. For me, he was a little bit too optimistic on the inside and to me it was completely wrong.

Q. Were the drive through penalties for you and Lewis fair?

FM: For him yes, for me I am not sure. For me it was just a racing incident, because we braked very late into Turn 10. He tried to pass me and then I was a little bit wide in Turn 10 and he put the car on the inside, and I was on the outside. Then he pushed me a little bit close to the gravel. I put two wheels on the gravel, he closed the door and then we touched. The next corner was already in my favour, but because I was on the gravel I could not do anything and we touched. That is it.

Q. Then it was your fightback through the field and the Bourdais incident. What about that?

FM: For me that was a little bit too optimistic. You cannot leave the pits like that. I am doing the corner. Anyway, he just braked too late and he pushed me out on the track.

For me there is not too much to comment to be honest.

Q. And what about Mark Webber?

FM: Webber to me was not such a big problem to be honest.

Q. You finished in the points today. What does that mean for your championship?

FM: It could have, for sure, been better. But it could also have been worse looking at where we started and where Lewis started. But we cannot leave here saying it was a disaster. It could have been better in terms of points but we at least finished in front, scored two points and that can be important going into the final two races.

Q. What will your approach to the next race be?

FM: Not so different. We race, we know we have a good car, we try to be at the front and we fight.

Q. Lewis has told us that he thinks you drove into him deliberately after realising you had lost the position to him. What do you say about that?

FM: For sure not. I had two wheels on the gravel. I could not stop the car and I was on the gravel because he pushed me into the gravel.

Q. Do you think that is the way he sees it?

FM: No. I don't believe that.

Q. Was it right for your teammates in the pit garage to be celebrating when you crashed into a rival?

FM: Are you English? Is that your point of view?

Q. Yes, but is it right that people celebrate when people crash?

FM: Any time you see a Ferrari ahead of a McLaren, it is a good thing for the team. I am not going to rise (to your attempt) to put fire on the gravel. I have a good relationship with Lewis, and I will not do something to destroy something by purpose. That is true.

Q. I am not stirring things up

FM: I know, and I answered already.

Q. Does what happened today change your relationship with Lewis?

FM: Definitely not.

Q. Mark Webber pushed you quite close to the wall. Was that okay?

FM: It was a little bit tight, but I managed to pass him. Sometimes you need to take risks. One point for me was very important at that moment.

Q. What about what happened at the first corner?

FM: On the start, he made a bad start and Kimi passed him. Then he tried to brake completely when everybody was in the corner. He pushed to a much wider line and Kovalainen was on a wider line as well, so it was a big casino over there. For me that was a little bit too optimistic especially if you are thinking about the championship.

[Rivelution]

A furious Sébastien Bourdais has hit out at Felipe Massa – accusing the Brazilian of reckless driving and showing a lack of constraint – after the pair collided with each other during the Japanese Grand Prix.

The two drivers ran into each other on lap 51 of the incident-packed race when Bourdais rejoined the Fuji circuit after making his second pit stop, just as Massa turned into the first corner.

The Ferrari driver went around the outside of Bourdais leaving him little room to manoeuvre, and the pair made contact with Massa spinning off the track as a consequence.

The incident was investigated after the race and Bourdais was dealt a 25-second penalty which dropped him out of his points-paying sixth place to tenth, promoting Massa to seventh.

Massa maintains that he had already taken the corner when Bourdais hit him, but the Frenchman starkly disagreed.

“I did everything I could not to run into him,” the Toro Rosso vented to Reuters. “He just squeezed and turned and behaved like I didn’t exist, like I wasn’t there. What am I supposed to do? I was coming out of the pits, he turned in, I was on the kerb and there was nowhere else I could go. I was racing him for position.

“For me it’s very clear – yes, I exit the pits, yes I’m supposed to be careful and I was. I stayed inside and I didn’t push him out; I didn’t overshoot the corner.

“I’ve been in this position many, many times and I never had any incidents. It’s just a little bit of respect. You give each other room and then everything goes right but if you don’t, there’s going to be an incident.”

Bourdais, who has won a record-braking four world championships in the American champ cars series, went on to lecture Massa on the importance of showing constraint when battling in the heat of a championship fight.

“Fighting for the championship you just don’t take unnecessary risks like this,” he said. “You’ve got everything to lose and nothing to gain. He was going to pit in three laps, I was ahead of him and he was going to finish behind us anyway. Why would you even think about doing something like that? I don’t understand.”

“It ruins the weekend, takes away three points for the team and gives Felipe another point – I am really happy for him, obviously. It was a good showing today for me, running consistently in the top five with only one mistake in what was a tough race.”

“I don’t know what I was supposed to do basically. I could have unrolled the red carpet and given him the corner. That is the only thing I could have done.”

http://www.forumula1.net/2008/f1/f1-news/bourdais-slams-disrespectful-massa/

[nikon133]

We posted same thread at same time Longbow

There is no Justice in this sport anymore!

There is no sport in this "sport" any more.

I joked some time ago F1 is becoming more and more like WWF... but in fact it does so. FIA is trying more and more to direct races and wins like WWF fights are directed, only difference being that fighters in WWF are part of the show and knowingly take their roles in the whole setup while in F1 setup is being forced on drivers and teams with completely utterly absurd penalties.

I really think serious players should reconsider runaway championship and leave FIA and Ferrari conducting their game and making Ferrari The Globetrotters of The Racing World, to the endless joy of many Ferrari fans.

[racechick]

We posted same thread at same time Longbow

There is no Justice in this sport anymore!

There is no sport in this "sport" any more.

I joked some time ago F1 is becoming more and more like WWF... but in fact it does so. FIA is trying more and more to direct races and wins like WWF fights are directed, only difference being that fighters in WWF are part of the show and knowingly take their roles in the whole setup while in F1 setup is being forced on drivers and teams with completely utterly absurd penalties.

I really think serious players should reconsider runaway championship and leave FIA and Ferrari conducting their game and making Ferrari The Globetrotters of The Racing World, to the endless joy of many Ferrari fans.

I wish that would happen!!

[AKR]

We posted same thread at same time Longbow

There is no Justice in this sport anymore!

There is no sport in this "sport" any more.

I joked some time ago F1 is becoming more and more like WWF... but in fact it does so. FIA is trying more and more to direct races and wins like WWF fights are directed, only difference being that fighters in WWF are part of the show and knowingly take their roles in the whole setup while in F1 setup is being forced on drivers and teams with completely utterly absurd penalties.

I really think serious players should reconsider runaway championship and leave FIA and Ferrari conducting their game and making Ferrari The Globetrotters of The Racing World, to the endless joy of many Ferrari fans.

I got a better workable solution. Get rid of Ron Dennis, rename McLaren to Mercedes and the FIA nor Mosley will have no more reason to help Ferrari out. This is really got to do with the fact that they, the FIA and Max Mosley in particular dislike Ron Dennis. I bet if it were Renault Versus McLaren instead and Ferrari were s***, that the FIA would assist Renault just to see McLaren lose. So a solution to this is to have no McLaren or Ron Dennis in it at all and then there will be no more FIA biasism.