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[iPod]

Am I the only one who thought the move on Webber was extremely dangerous? I personally think that it deserves a penalty of some sort. I mean, what if someone was coming out of the pits at that time? There would have been a monumental accident. How did that not get a penalty (Or at least raised eyebrows) and the bourdais "accident" gain one?

Im sorry, but this in-consistency is really getting to me.

I also think that they should have given Massa a slightly heavier penalty (for the move on Hamilton) - like a stop or go penalty. I do agree with Hamilton's penalty, but it wasn't nearly as bad as Massa's if Im being totally honest.

[Gaz]

i don't agree with LH's penalty since worse things have been done in the past.

When Schui rammed villesnerve he was disqualifed from the season now i believe massa deserved a race ban for the conduct in that race

[7UpJordan]

It reminded me of Prost and Senna at Estoril 20 years ago when Prost almost got pushed into the pit wall when passing Senna.

[McLaren Fan]

Am I the only one who thought the move on Webber was extremely dangerous? I personally think that it deserves a penalty of some sort. I mean, what if someone was coming out of the pits at that time? There would have been a monumental accident. How did that not get a penalty (Or at least raised eyebrows) and the bourdais "accident" gain one?

Im sorry, but this in-consistency is really getting to me.

I also think that they should have given Massa a slightly heavier penalty (for the move on Hamilton) - like a stop or go penalty. I do agree with Hamilton's penalty, but it wasn't nearly as bad as Massa's if Im being totally honest.

He went outside the of the area that is defined as the track as well, so not only was what Massa did potentially dangerous, it was completely illegal, and something which comes under the same precedent set by the stewards after Hamilton-Raikkonen-gate at Spa. After possibly deliberately punting his chief rival out of the race, illegally and dangerously overtaking Webber and causing a collision with Bourdais, Massa gets one point and is donated another by the FIA.

[kerc]

Nah, I think Massa did okay.

[Hanwombat]

Very dangerous, I was cringing down the whole straight, Webber did nothing wrong, he was defending his ground, the Ferrari is much quicker, he should of gone to the right of Mark, instead of stupidly sticking to his ground, which could of caused an incident.

[7UpJordan]

Very dangerous, I was cringing down the whole straight, Webber did nothing wrong, he was defending his ground, the Ferrari is much quicker, he should of gone to the right of Mark, instead of stupidly sticking to his ground, which could of caused an incident.

Had Sutil not retired early I could easily have seen him coming out of the pits at the time Massa decided to pull his stunt.

[Hanwombat]

Very dangerous, I was cringing down the whole straight, Webber did nothing wrong, he was defending his ground, the Ferrari is much quicker, he should of gone to the right of Mark, instead of stupidly sticking to his ground, which could of caused an incident.

Had Sutil not retired early I could easily have seen him coming out of the pits at the time Massa decided to pull his stunt.

Felipe acted stupidly, and yes could of hit a car leaving the pits, Both he and Lewis are cracking under pressure.

[racechick]

Am I the only one who thought the move on Webber was extremely dangerous? I personally think that it deserves a penalty of some sort. I mean, what if someone was coming out of the pits at that time? There would have been a monumental accident. How did that not get a penalty (Or at least raised eyebrows) and the bourdais "accident" gain one?

Im sorry, but this in-consistency is really getting to me.

I also think that they should have given Massa a slightly heavier penalty (for the move on Hamilton) - like a stop or go penalty. I do agree with Hamilton's penalty, but it wasn't nearly as bad as Massa's if Im being totally honest.

yes Massa's move on Hamilton was worse than lewis' at the start and I am gobsmacked that nothing was done about the pitlane overtake. Well Im not gobsmacked, Im coming to accept crap like this.

[al4x]

wasnt too bad, could have been really bad, the pit lane was a bit close, i think it was fair overall but close to the 'line'

[bud]

i don't agree with LH's penalty since worse things have been done in the past.

When Schui rammed villesnerve he was disqualifed from the season now i believe massa deserved a race ban for the conduct in that race

yeah it was a rather similar move to Schumi in that it was a pure desperation move, Lewis had him fair and square, Felipe went way to wide and too deep only to cut the chicane and ram him, no way he can justify that move!

but hey if it was the other way around no doubt Lewis would have been banned a race hell why not 2

[csrracer]

I guess you didn't hear that they amended all the F1 rules to read "unless your car is red" . After Luis's penalty at Spa they had a driver's meeting claiming "the racing surface was defined by the area between the lines, and any advantage gained with all 4 wheels off the racing surface would be penalized". Massa clearly has all 4 wheels in the area painted red while overtaking Webber, but when we add the new rule "unless your car is red" it all makes sense why he wasn't penalized. I suggest the Mclarens paint their cars red for the last couple of races so they too can take advantage of the new amended rules.

[cap-dude]

Give an example of when its been punished before.
As far as I can remember, there's been similar moves that have gone without punishment, simply because there was dangerous incident involved. Its always been fine to use the end of the pitlane.

[bud]

Give an example of when its been punished before.
As far as I can remember, there's been similar moves that have gone without punishment, simply because there was dangerous incident involved. Its always been fine to use the end of the pitlane.

I cant really comment on the Massa/Webber incident as at that stage of the race i did not see due to work commitments.

But as far as i know i dont think its illegal i know at the start of the race its ok, but the only thing im unsure of is if its in the drivers briefing whether youre not alloed to use that part of the track during the race because there may be another car exiting the pits at any time.

and we all know cars exiting the pits are not allowed to cut across that line or face a drive through.

[iPod]

Give an example of when its been punished before.
As far as I can remember, there's been similar moves that have gone without punishment, simply because there was dangerous incident involved. Its always been fine to use the end of the pitlane.

I wasn't disputing the fact that it wasn't punished because it is illegal. Just the fact that it was an extremely dangerous manouver, and I thought that the FIA/Stewards were there to stop dangerous accidents - such as Hamilton's oh so dangerous start, and Massa's oh so dangerous move on Hamilton. But obviously the move at the start could have taken out at least 3 cars at 70mph, opposed to 3 cars travelling at 200+mph - so yeah totally consistent.