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[darwin dali]

OK OK OK OK OK,

So If the penalty was given for bourdais for the move at the corner!

What about the over take Massa did on Webber for 8th place when he went on the inside into the PIT LANE EXIT and into turn one.

Hell, as far as im concerned that was the most dangerous and reckless driving in the whole race, if a car had been coming out from the pits it would have been one heck of an accident.

Im obviously saying this on the assumption that cars coming down the straight are unaware if cars are coming out......

There's no regulation that prohibits drivers to use this space, especially when pushed outside by the other driver. FM took a gamble and it worked out.
Drivers re-entering the race from the pits have to do so carefully and safely - I'm sure that's spelled out in the regs.

I thought they said on the commentary that drivers was not allowed to pass the line into the pit exit.

Nope, when you come out, you're not allowed to cross that line.

[Gaz]

Uh, yes. He was re-entering from the pits plus had cold tires - that's what you do in such a situation.

Do you?

If there's a red car behind you yes.

[racechick]

SB was wrong, FM was right, the stewards saw it correctly. FM was in front and you see SB moving towards his left (plain visible after the contact) and turning into FM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dKvZE0iuU8

It was a racing incident, and didnt deserve a penalty. Of course the FIA will penalise the driver challenging the Ferrari

It caused FM to spin and lose ground, thus affected the race outcome. What was the regulation posted somewhere here? Penalize if action of driver impedes/prevents overtaking maneuver or somtin' like that.

Masssa spun because of his own clumsy actions, Bourdais did nothing.
And you cant penalize a driver for preventing an overtaking manouver!! Thats what they have to try to do , prevent themselves from being overtaken. In this case Bourdais wasnt even doing that! he was just there and Masa rammed him!

[darwin dali]

SB was wrong, FM was right, the stewards saw it correctly. FM was in front and you see SB moving towards his left (plain visible after the contact) and turning into FM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dKvZE0iuU8

It was a racing incident, and didnt deserve a penalty. Of course the FIA will penalise the driver challenging the Ferrari

It caused FM to spin and lose ground, thus affected the race outcome. What was the regulation posted somewhere here? Penalize if action of driver impedes/prevents overtaking maneuver or somtin' like that.

Masssa spun because of his own clumsy actions, Bourdais did nothing.
And you cant penalize a driver for preventing an overtaking manouver!! Thats what they have to try to do , prevent themselves from being overtaken. In this case Bourdais wasnt even doing that! he was just there and Masa rammed him!

FIA 2008 Formula 1 Sporting Regulations wrote:
16) INCIDENTS
16.1 "Incident" means any occurrence or series of occurrences involving one or more drivers, or any action by
any driver, which is reported to the stewards by the race director (or noted by the stewards and referred to
the race director for investigation) which :
- necessitated the suspension of a race under Article 41 ;
- constituted a breach of these Sporting Regulations or the Code ;
- caused a false start by one or more cars ;
- caused a collision ;
- forced a driver off the track ;
- illegitimately prevented a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre by a driver ;
- illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.
Unless it was completely clear that a driver was in breach of any of the above, any incidents involving
more than one car will normally be investigated after the race.

[racechick]

SB was wrong, FM was right, the stewards saw it correctly. FM was in front and you see SB moving towards his left (plain visible after the contact) and turning into FM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dKvZE0iuU8

It was a racing incident, and didnt deserve a penalty. Of course the FIA will penalise the driver challenging the Ferrari

It caused FM to spin and lose ground, thus affected the race outcome. What was the regulation posted somewhere here? Penalize if action of driver impedes/prevents overtaking maneuver or somtin' like that.

Masssa spun because of his own clumsy actions, Bourdais did nothing.
And you cant penalize a driver for preventing an overtaking manouver!! Thats what they have to try to do , prevent themselves from being overtaken. In this case Bourdais wasnt even doing that! he was just there and Masa rammed him!

FIA 2008 Formula 1 Sporting Regulations wrote:
16) INCIDENTS
16.1 "Incident" means any occurrence or series of occurrences involving one or more drivers, or any action by
any driver, which is reported to the stewards by the race director (or noted by the stewards and referred to
the race director for investigation) which :
- necessitated the suspension of a race under Article 41 ;
- constituted a breach of these Sporting Regulations or the Code ;
- caused a false start by one or more cars ;
- caused a collision ;
- forced a driver off the track ;
- illegitimately prevented a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre by a driver ;
- illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.
Unless it was completely clear that a driver was in breach of any of the above, any incidents involving
more than one car will normally be investigated after the race.

Yes. Ive seen that. Your point?

[scotty]

Uh, yes. He was re-entering from the pits plus had cold tires - that's what you do in such a situation.

Do you?

If your name is Giancarlo Fisichella!!

I'm waiting for the onboard footage from Bourdais' car to truly get to the bottom of this, but wtf, do 'racing incidents' exist anymore? Because that is a prime example of it.

[EwanM]

I'm starting to wonder that myself Scotty.
Bourdais though had a great weekend, his luck just isn't with him.
Surely he'll be kept now?

[darwin dali]

SB was wrong, FM was right, the stewards saw it correctly. FM was in front and you see SB moving towards his left (plain visible after the contact) and turning into FM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dKvZE0iuU8

It was a racing incident, and didnt deserve a penalty. Of course the FIA will penalise the driver challenging the Ferrari

It caused FM to spin and lose ground, thus affected the race outcome. What was the regulation posted somewhere here? Penalize if action of driver impedes/prevents overtaking maneuver or somtin' like that.

Masssa spun because of his own clumsy actions, Bourdais did nothing.
And you cant penalize a driver for preventing an overtaking manouver!! Thats what they have to try to do , prevent themselves from being overtaken. In this case Bourdais wasnt even doing that! he was just there and Masa rammed him!

FIA 2008 Formula 1 Sporting Regulations wrote:
16) INCIDENTS
16.1 "Incident" means any occurrence or series of occurrences involving one or more drivers, or any action by
any driver, which is reported to the stewards by the race director (or noted by the stewards and referred to
the race director for investigation) which :
- necessitated the suspension of a race under Article 41 ;
- constituted a breach of these Sporting Regulations or the Code ;
- caused a false start by one or more cars ;
- caused a collision ;
- forced a driver off the track ;
- illegitimately prevented a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre by a driver ;
- illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.
Unless it was completely clear that a driver was in breach of any of the above, any incidents involving
more than one car will normally be investigated after the race.

Yes. Ive seen that. Your point?

Two actually:
- illegitimately prevented a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre by a driver ;
- illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.

[racechick]

SB was wrong, FM was right, the stewards saw it correctly. FM was in front and you see SB moving towards his left (plain visible after the contact) and turning into FM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dKvZE0iuU8

It was a racing incident, and didnt deserve a penalty. Of course the FIA will penalise the driver challenging the Ferrari

It caused FM to spin and lose ground, thus affected the race outcome. What was the regulation posted somewhere here? Penalize if action of driver impedes/prevents overtaking maneuver or somtin' like that.

Masssa spun because of his own clumsy actions, Bourdais did nothing.
And you cant penalize a driver for preventing an overtaking manouver!! Thats what they have to try to do , prevent themselves from being overtaken. In this case Bourdais wasnt even doing that! he was just there and Masa rammed him!

FIA 2008 Formula 1 Sporting Regulations wrote:
16) INCIDENTS
16.1 "Incident" means any occurrence or series of occurrences involving one or more drivers, or any action by
any driver, which is reported to the stewards by the race director (or noted by the stewards and referred to
the race director for investigation) which :
- necessitated the suspension of a race under Article 41 ;
- constituted a breach of these Sporting Regulations or the Code ;
- caused a false start by one or more cars ;
- caused a collision ;
- forced a driver off the track ;
- illegitimately prevented a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre by a driver ;
- illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.
Unless it was completely clear that a driver was in breach of any of the above, any incidents involving
more than one car will normally be investigated after the race.

Yes. Ive seen that. Your point?

Two actually:
- illegitimately prevented a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre by a driver ;
- illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.

He was just thnere minding his own business. You cant fly round a corner and crash into a guy then say he impedeed your overtaking manouver.

[darwin dali]

SB was wrong, FM was right, the stewards saw it correctly. FM was in front and you see SB moving towards his left (plain visible after the contact) and turning into FM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dKvZE0iuU8

It was a racing incident, and didnt deserve a penalty. Of course the FIA will penalise the driver challenging the Ferrari

It caused FM to spin and lose ground, thus affected the race outcome. What was the regulation posted somewhere here? Penalize if action of driver impedes/prevents overtaking maneuver or somtin' like that.

Masssa spun because of his own clumsy actions, Bourdais did nothing.
And you cant penalize a driver for preventing an overtaking manouver!! Thats what they have to try to do , prevent themselves from being overtaken. In this case Bourdais wasnt even doing that! he was just there and Masa rammed him!

FIA 2008 Formula 1 Sporting Regulations wrote:
16) INCIDENTS
16.1 "Incident" means any occurrence or series of occurrences involving one or more drivers, or any action by
any driver, which is reported to the stewards by the race director (or noted by the stewards and referred to
the race director for investigation) which :
- necessitated the suspension of a race under Article 41 ;
- constituted a breach of these Sporting Regulations or the Code ;
- caused a false start by one or more cars ;
- caused a collision ;
- forced a driver off the track ;
- illegitimately prevented a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre by a driver ;
- illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.
Unless it was completely clear that a driver was in breach of any of the above, any incidents involving
more than one car will normally be investigated after the race.

Yes. Ive seen that. Your point?

Two actually:
- illegitimately prevented a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre by a driver ;
- illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.

He was just thnere minding his own business. You cant fly round a corner and crash into a guy then say he impedeed your overtaking manouver.

FM was in front of SB, he had the corner - SB should have backed down, especially coming out of the pits with cold tires.

[scotty]

I'm starting to wonder that myself Scotty.
Bourdais though had a great weekend, his luck just isn't with him.
Surely he'll be kept now?

I sure hope so, he's be a bit unlucky at times this year and the amount of points he has isn't really representative of his performances. If he loses his drive and someone like Piquet keeps his....

[EwanM]

I'm starting to wonder that myself Scotty.
Bourdais though had a great weekend, his luck just isn't with him.
Surely he'll be kept now?

I sure hope so, he's be a bit unlucky at times this year and the amount of points he has isn't really representative of his performances. If he loses his drive and someone like Piquet keeps his....

Yeah or Sato for that matter.
Would be stupid.

[ManCityFC]

SB was wrong, FM was right, the stewards saw it correctly. FM was in front and you see SB moving towards his left (plain visible after the contact) and turning into FM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dKvZE0iuU8

It was a racing incident, and didnt deserve a penalty. Of course the FIA will penalise the driver challenging the Ferrari

It caused FM to spin and lose ground, thus affected the race outcome. What was the regulation posted somewhere here? Penalize if action of driver impedes/prevents overtaking maneuver or somtin' like that.

Masssa spun because of his own clumsy actions, Bourdais did nothing.
And you cant penalize a driver for preventing an overtaking manouver!! Thats what they have to try to do , prevent themselves from being overtaken. In this case Bourdais wasnt even doing that! he was just there and Masa rammed him!

FIA 2008 Formula 1 Sporting Regulations wrote:
16) INCIDENTS
16.1 "Incident" means any occurrence or series of occurrences involving one or more drivers, or any action by
any driver, which is reported to the stewards by the race director (or noted by the stewards and referred to
the race director for investigation) which :
- necessitated the suspension of a race under Article 41 ;
- constituted a breach of these Sporting Regulations or the Code ;
- caused a false start by one or more cars ;
- caused a collision ;
- forced a driver off the track ;
- illegitimately prevented a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre by a driver ;
- illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.
Unless it was completely clear that a driver was in breach of any of the above, any incidents involving
more than one car will normally be investigated after the race.

Yes. Ive seen that. Your point?

Two actually:
- illegitimately prevented a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre by a driver ;
- illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.

He was just thnere minding his own business. You cant fly round a corner and crash into a guy then say he impedeed your overtaking manouver.

FM was in front of SB, he had the corner - SB should have backed down, especially coming out of the pits with cold tires.

You, my friend, are on acid if you think that SB did anything wrong. There is trying to defend your team, then just making a berk of yourself. You fall in to the later. Take you're red glasses off mate.

[racechick]

SB was wrong, FM was right, the stewards saw it correctly. FM was in front and you see SB moving towards his left (plain visible after the contact) and turning into FM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dKvZE0iuU8

It was a racing incident, and didnt deserve a penalty. Of course the FIA will penalise the driver challenging the Ferrari

It caused FM to spin and lose ground, thus affected the race outcome. What was the regulation posted somewhere here? Penalize if action of driver impedes/prevents overtaking maneuver or somtin' like that.

Masssa spun because of his own clumsy actions, Bourdais did nothing.
And you cant penalize a driver for preventing an overtaking manouver!! Thats what they have to try to do , prevent themselves from being overtaken. In this case Bourdais wasnt even doing that! he was just there and Masa rammed him!

FIA 2008 Formula 1 Sporting Regulations wrote:
16) INCIDENTS
16.1 "Incident" means any occurrence or series of occurrences involving one or more drivers, or any action by
any driver, which is reported to the stewards by the race director (or noted by the stewards and referred to
the race director for investigation) which :
- necessitated the suspension of a race under Article 41 ;
- constituted a breach of these Sporting Regulations or the Code ;
- caused a false start by one or more cars ;
- caused a collision ;
- forced a driver off the track ;
- illegitimately prevented a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre by a driver ;
- illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.
Unless it was completely clear that a driver was in breach of any of the above, any incidents involving
more than one car will normally be investigated after the race.

Yes. Ive seen that. Your point?

Two actually:
- illegitimately prevented a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre by a driver ;
- illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.

He was just thnere minding his own business. You cant fly round a corner and crash into a guy then say he impedeed your overtaking manouver.

FM was in front of SB, he had the corner - SB should have backed down, especially coming out of the pits with cold tires.

Massa had loads of track and he squeezed Bourdais and left him nowhere. It was not neccessary and Massa only got that extra point when Max intervened. I told you earlier DD why tbey couldnt rule on it during the race and it turned out I was exactly right! They didnt like the result so they changed it.

[darwin dali]

SB was wrong, FM was right, the stewards saw it correctly. FM was in front and you see SB moving towards his left (plain visible after the contact) and turning into FM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dKvZE0iuU8

It was a racing incident, and didnt deserve a penalty. Of course the FIA will penalise the driver challenging the Ferrari

It caused FM to spin and lose ground, thus affected the race outcome. What was the regulation posted somewhere here? Penalize if action of driver impedes/prevents overtaking maneuver or somtin' like that.

Masssa spun because of his own clumsy actions, Bourdais did nothing.
And you cant penalize a driver for preventing an overtaking manouver!! Thats what they have to try to do , prevent themselves from being overtaken. In this case Bourdais wasnt even doing that! he was just there and Masa rammed him!

FIA 2008 Formula 1 Sporting Regulations wrote:
16) INCIDENTS
16.1 "Incident" means any occurrence or series of occurrences involving one or more drivers, or any action by
any driver, which is reported to the stewards by the race director (or noted by the stewards and referred to
the race director for investigation) which :
- necessitated the suspension of a race under Article 41 ;
- constituted a breach of these Sporting Regulations or the Code ;
- caused a false start by one or more cars ;
- caused a collision ;
- forced a driver off the track ;
- illegitimately prevented a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre by a driver ;
- illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.
Unless it was completely clear that a driver was in breach of any of the above, any incidents involving
more than one car will normally be investigated after the race.

Yes. Ive seen that. Your point?

Two actually:
- illegitimately prevented a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre by a driver ;
- illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.

He was just thnere minding his own business. You cant fly round a corner and crash into a guy then say he impedeed your overtaking manouver.

FM was in front of SB, he had the corner - SB should have backed down, especially coming out of the pits with cold tires.

You, my friend, are on acid if you think that SB did anything wrong. There is trying to defend your team, then just making a berk of yourself. You fall in to the later. Take you're red glasses off mate.

i'm not your friend or mate. And after these your comments I doubt I will be in the future