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#70379
I can't really remember the last true innovation to come out of F1 before KERS, to be honest.


What about Honda's bunny ears? :hehe::P

I 100% agree with the view that F1 needs to find an even more efficient way of fuelling it's cars for starters - say if they could last a whole race on one tank of fuel, then i'd sure love for that technology to filter through to my car...!


:hehe:

Yes. That'd be one thing I'd like to see. Longer-lasting tyres would be nice to see, too, but I don't think there's really a way of getting round that. The number of tyres the teams have available at the moment seems fine, I guess. Longer-lasting parts in general would be good. Engines in particular, since they're very expensive. If they could make them last for three or four races, like they do with the gearboxes, then that would be a step in the right direction.
#70385
Okay this is going to far. F1 is a sport not some kind of political statment machine. Also making motor racing go green is beyound stupid. All of motor racing in the world combined would not even budge any emmisions decetions. Thats for all you folks that unlike me accept the premise of man made climate change.
Is climate change happening maybe so, but we have nothing to do with it. There is no where near enough info to base any real scintific opinion on. We have had accurate weather information for only about 100 years, and accurate gobal weather measurments for even less than that, and to base a major major scintific opinion that may affect the population of the world on this is asinine.
If you know your world history you will see that the earth has gone through many warm and cold periods thoughout the millennia, and we did not have cars back then.

Sorry for the rant folks but this kind of crap really gets me fired up, and between this and the Idiot Brothers Bernie and Mad Max screwing with this sport just pisses me off.

Like I said before in the engine discussion thread I do not think that there should be any rules retarding development in F1, but this develoment should be done with the spirit of competition in mind and not some political agenda.


The fact that there has been hot and cold periods throughout history does not necessarily mean that the current rising of average temperatures on earth, and the rapid retreat of the ice caps, are not anything to do with human civilization. I've seen plenty of evidence that suggests a link, and i've seen plenty of people with their pockets lined with oil try to refute all of it and fail. But weather it's the fault of the human race or not, the most important questions are; how extreme is the climate going to get? And, can we survive it? Because regardless of what/who is to blame, if we wish to survive we need to do what we can to keep earth hospitable. Painting F1 tyres green however, is surely a joke, isn't it? Do they take us for morons?

This reminds me of a story I was taught in primary school, about a rich man who gave to charity but made sure everyone saw him do it, because he was only doing it for the respect. F1 clearly just wants people to think it's green. I would have more respect if they just implemented the necessary changes, and let these speak for themselves.

I think the Greenhouse Effect is a load of rubbish, cultivated by politicians and others with evil agendas.


I'm curious, what evil agendas lie behind suposedly convincing the world that carbon emissions are causing climate change if they actually are not? Is this the evil electric car company, and the evil solar panel regime, trying to take over the world with their sinister renewable technologies. Please blaze me if i've missed something here.
#70390
The fact that there has been hot and cold periods throughout history does not necessarily mean that the current rising of average temperatures on earth, and the rapid retreat of the ice caps, are not anything to do with human civilization. I've seen plenty of evidence that suggests a link, and i've seen plenty of people with their pockets lined with oil try to refute all of it and fail. But weather it's the fault of the human race or not, the most important questions are; how extreme is the climate going to get? And, can we survive it? Because regardless of what/who is to blame, if we wish to survive we need to do what we can to keep earth hospitable.


Brother, you have had entirely too much of the Al Gore Kool-aid. The question that needs to be asked is have we, in any way, affected the climate of this rock we live on? The answer is not likely. We live on a very small percentage of this planet, yes it may be crowded where you are but I can drive in any direction from denver and go hours without seeing anything resembling civilization. Florida was the same, Michigan, Texas, Illinois...you name it, there is much in the states that is uninhabited and we're not even talking canada or the south american, african or antarctic continents. Hey bud, how crowded is Australia? The point being, throughout history mankinds leaders have come up with one panic issue after another to keep the people fearful and groping for leadership to 'save us'. I don't know how old you are, but not to many years ago at all they were telling us we are headed for the next ice age based on this same data they have you scared to death of. It wasn't true then, and it's not true now. At one point in our history copper poisoning was going to destroy the worlds water supplies..but guess what...never happened. There are scores of such panic tactics and you sir have fallen victim to one. I have friends here in colorado who work at the foremost data collection center on earth trends (which I shall leave nameless, but some research on your part would give a very good educated guess) and what they find most interesting is where the data used in 'Al Gore' type research is taken. Tell me, if you put a sensor near a major city and then compare those readings to say a best guess as to what it was before that city was put there...what do you think you find? Exactly what you intended to find, a warming trend. Concrete is a heat sink, asphalt is a rediculous heat sink, steel, buildings, roofing...all tend to hold the sun's heat and give alarming readings....if you don't know what you are looking at. Those that do, and are not politicians have many times debunked that which has you praying they will save you. The warming 'trend' is local to that area only...like putting a hot pan on your countertop will heat that spot...not your house. That pan, on your counter is a much higher percentage of your house than civilization is on this planet.

I think it was said best by H.L. Mencken when he opined:


The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed
(and thus clamorous to be led to safety), by menacing it with an
endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.


Mencken died in 1956...the ruse you have been duped by is a very old and very well used one. I promise you, by the time your children are your age...there will be a completely different doomsday prediction that our leaders can save us from...if you give them enough money.
#70397
I think the Greenhouse Effect is a load of rubbish, cultivated by politicians and others with evil agendas.


I'm going to quote this directly, but also simultaneously respond to all the anti-global warming nonsense here.

Yes, the world has always experienced natural fluctuations in climate, but that isn't to say that we don't add to that natural fluctuation with our own activities, and whether or not we are impacting our environment isn't even a matter of opinion or something up for debate. It's simply how it is, and that's non-negotiable. If there's anybody that wants to argue that the crap we spew into the air doesn't create a greenhouse effect, you can prove it to yourself with a simple at-home experiment.

Take two aquariums of reasonable size, set digital temperature meters in both, seal off the tops and set them out in the sun. As soon as they are in place outside, pump some extra carbon dioxide into one of them and seal the top back up to lock it in there. Come back periodically, maybe every thirty minutes or every hour over the course of several hours and monitor the temperature gauges. The one with the extra carbon dioxide will be hotter. If carbon dioxide traps in extra heat in an aquarium, it will do the same anywhere else, including in the atmosphere.

That's just one of the things we're spewing into the air. Yes, the Earth naturally produces things like this all on its own, but we're artificially adding on top of that. I'm not here declaring how much our pollutants are contributing, but it's still contributing.
#70411
The world is naturally heating up, it has been for sometime. But the increase production of carbon into our atmosphere surely adds to it. Of course it may not be as much as what scientists and politicians project to us, even so it still doesn't do wonders to our health, country side and of course our position of power in the world. We must turn to green as you say to break away our dependence to the Oil Rich nations.

Mind you Glasgow today - I wouldn't mind it being a little hotter :hehe:
#70415
to suggest that Human activities are not harmful to the planet, whether it be habitat loss, pollution hunting a species to extinction stepping on ants what ever... it does have an affect.

its all about the ecosystem, its evolved over billions of years to a certain point where Man evolved and in and we go and change it all making our mark on the planet and ofcourse its going to f*** up!
we know the earth has had climate change many man many times in the past but that was a gradual change heating up and cooling down, where flora and fauna evolved along with it. what we are seeing is a drastic change and such a change makes it hard for species to adapt and evolve to cope throw in habitat loss, pollution and we have Mass extinction. And welcome to that as we are right smack in the middle of the greatest extinction rate since then end of the Cretaceous period commonly known as the end of the dinosaurs.

no doubt the Governments around the world have jumped onto this bandwagon and seeing alot of $$$$ to be made out of it but atleast its a start.
#70418
Brother, you have had entirely too much of the Al Gore Kool-aid. The question that needs to be asked is have we, in any way, affected the climate of this rock we live on? The answer is not likely. We live on a very small percentage of this planet, yes it may be crowded where you are but I can drive in any direction from denver and go hours without seeing anything resembling civilization. Florida was the same, Michigan, Texas, Illinois...you name it, there is much in the states that is uninhabited and we're not even talking canada or the south american, african or antarctic continents. Hey bud, how crowded is Australia? The point being, throughout history mankinds leaders have come up with one panic issue after another to keep the people fearful and groping for leadership to 'save us'. I don't know how old you are, but not to many years ago at all they were telling us we are headed for the next ice age based on this same data they have you scared to death of. It wasn't true then, and it's not true now. At one point in our history copper poisoning was going to destroy the worlds water supplies..but guess what...never happened. There are scores of such panic tactics and you sir have fallen victim to one. I have friends here in colorado who work at the foremost data collection center on earth trends (which I shall leave nameless, but some research on your part would give a very good educated guess) and what they find most interesting is where the data used in 'Al Gore' type research is taken. Tell me, if you put a sensor near a major city and then compare those readings to say a best guess as to what it was before that city was put there...what do you think you find? Exactly what you intended to find, a warming trend. Concrete is a heat sink, asphalt is a rediculous heat sink, steel, buildings, roofing...all tend to hold the sun's heat and give alarming readings....if you don't know what you are looking at. Those that do, and are not politicians have many times debunked that which has you praying they will save you. The warming 'trend' is local to that area only...like putting a hot pan on your countertop will heat that spot...not your house. That pan, on your counter is a much higher percentage of your house than civilization is on this planet.

I think it was said best by H.L. Mencken when he opined:


The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed
(and thus clamorous to be led to safety), by menacing it with an
endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.


Mencken died in 1956...the ruse you have been duped by is a very old and very well used one. I promise you, by the time your children are your age...there will be a completely different doomsday prediction that our leaders can save us from...if you give them enough money.


I'm very aware of the scare mongering that is pumped through our teles, radios and newspapers to rally support for campaigns that under normal circumstances people wouldn't condone. I didn't buy the "weapons of mass destruction" and "45 minutes" BS that pursuaded about half the population of the UK that war was necessary. And I became aware of the protest in Manchester, at the time of a Labour confrence, that was of a totally unprecented size and recieved not one iota of media coverage. In short I am sickened by the bias of the media towards the agendas of the politicians in power. I agree totally that in conventional media we get one damned threat after another, many of which never materialize. However, based on what i have gathered from many varied sources i am not convinced that the current rapid changes in our climate are fictional or are being over enthasized.

You mention how little space our civilization takes up of all available land, to suggest that our impact can not be as big as we are being told it is. I don't see a direct corelation here, what needs to be concidered is the rapid increase of carbon dioxide producing areas (our cities full of vehicles and factories) and the rapid decline of the carbon-dioxide-consuming/oxygen-producing areas, our forests. Unless these vast unpopulated areas you speak of are flourishing with forest and plant life then they don't offer much relief to the issue we're concerned with.

You are right about the effect cities with concrete streets and buldings have on holding heat, making the ambient temperatures within them higher than it naturally is outside them. But these readings are now being ignored for a much more global approach. A lot of the data comes from high-resolution thermal infrared imaging tools onboard of satellites. But would you like to know something else that's very interesting about concrete. Its production creates an equal mass of carbon dioxide. That means for every ton of concrete created, a ton of carbon dioxide is released into the atmosphere. Contemplate that for a moment and you will probably see that the human impact in the atmosphere is far vaster than it is on the land. And that is just concrete, there are many other types of processes going on producing enormous quantities of polutants continuously.

The effects are visible, the melting of the ice caps is accelerating, meaning that it probably won't be many years now untill there are no ice caps at all. Of course there have been times in the past when there was no ice at the poles of the earth, so what's the big problem? Well we weren't alive then, we didn't have cities built on flood planes. We didn't rely on successful crop cycles, or sustainable fishing, which will all be jeopardized by this. All signs point to a mass extinction, the like of which has happened several times before, but the difference about this one is that we are prediciting its arrival through science and might be in a technological possition to actually do something about it.

Just because the boy has deceitfully cried wolf many times, does not mean that a wolf will never come.
#70477
I'm sorry I can't believe people are still denying the effect that humans have had on the world. Even the most hardened global warming sceptics in the scientific world have stopped arguing. It is happening and it is accelerating due to humans. All we can do now is work to slow it down so it's more manageable, it is not reverseable.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... imate+wars

There are 6 episodes in the series. Watch them all if they are available

I don't mean to sound short, and I'm by no way an eco-warrior. But the evidence can no longer be denied my friends

Also some reading material for those who are interested - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7592575.stm
#70482
I'm sorry I can't believe people are still denying the effect that humans have had on the world. Even the most hardened global warming sceptics in the scientific world have stopped arguing. It is happening and it is accelerating due to humans. All we can do now is work to slow it down so it's more manageable, it is not reverseable.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... imate+wars

There are 6 episodes in the series. Watch them all if they are available

I don't mean to sound short, and I'm by no way an eco-warrior. But the evidence can no longer be denied my friends

Also some reading material for those who are interested - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7592575.stm


Thanks for the sources Welshie, I saw the final episode on the tele, very good. The Earth series was great too.
#70774
I'm sorry I can't believe people are still denying the effect that humans have had on the world. Even the most hardened global warming sceptics in the scientific world have stopped arguing. It is happening and it is accelerating due to humans. All we can do now is work to slow it down so it's more manageable, it is not reverseable.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... imate+wars

There are 6 episodes in the series. Watch them all if they are available

I don't mean to sound short, and I'm by no way an eco-warrior. But the evidence can no longer be denied my friends

Also some reading material for those who are interested - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7592575.stm


Thanks for the sources Welshie, I saw the final episode on the tele, very good. The Earth series was great too.


Thanks :) Yes I watched the Earth series too, was stunning!

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