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#69410
Not as dodgy as when FIArrari got the FIA to change the rules over tyre measuring, so that JPM's tyres were instantly outlawed, just when JPM was edging towards the WDC - thereby handing the WDC to the great german seven times world cheating champion fukwit bastardo..



Montoya who?



Mr. Chubby with man titties :P:whip:


Mr. Gorgeous with muscles!! :cloud9: Stunning driver too!


If you're into voluptuous body frames - sure! :D


Owwh...that dude...who came in by the big "I'm gonna kick Schumi's bottom"-gate and left the F1 through the smallest "I got kicked by Der Michael" -door ! Yeah...I remember him ... nice girlfriend, that's all he brought into the F1 world :rofl: !

No, I'm joking...

NO I AM NOT! :hehe:
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By racechick
#69418
Not as dodgy as when FIArrari got the FIA to change the rules over tyre measuring, so that JPM's tyres were instantly outlawed, just when JPM was edging towards the WDC - thereby handing the WDC to the great german seven times world cheating champion fukwit bastardo..



Montoya who?



Mr. Chubby with man titties :P:whip:


Mr. Gorgeous with muscles!! :cloud9: Stunning driver too!


If you're into voluptuous body frames - sure! :D


Owwh...that dude...who came in by the big "I'm gonna kick Schumi's bottom"-gate and left the F1 through the smallest "I got kicked by Der Michael" -door ! Yeah...I remember him ... nice girlfriend, that's all he brought into the F1 world :rofl: !

No, I'm joking...

NO I AM NOT! :hehe:


Gorgeous wife , yes I agree. But he did kick red German arse on many an occassion
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9aQA_ohVCzo
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YOW-jngVoT4
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=giZu7-A2yS0

I know these have been on before, but what the heck. I love watching them :)
And no sign of man tits :)
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By Denthúl
#69423
Not as dodgy as when FIArrari got the FIA to change the rules over tyre measuring, so that JPM's tyres were instantly outlawed, just when JPM was edging towards the WDC - thereby handing the WDC to the great german seven times world cheating champion fukwit bastardo..



Montoya who?



Mr. Chubby with man titties :P:whip:


Mr. Gorgeous with muscles!! :cloud9: Stunning driver too!


If you're into voluptuous body frames - sure! :D


Owwh...that dude...who came in by the big "I'm gonna kick Schumi's bottom"-gate and left the F1 through the smallest "I got kicked by Der Michael" -door ! Yeah...I remember him ... nice girlfriend, that's all he brought into the F1 world :rofl: !

No, I'm joking...

NO I AM NOT! :hehe:


Gorgeous wife , yes I agree. But he did kick red German arse on many an occassion
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9aQA_ohVCzo
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YOW-jngVoT4
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=giZu7-A2yS0

I know these have been on before, but what the heck. I love watching them :)
And no sign of man tits :)


I quite like this one, personally. :)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4T3qVj8IqGQ

:hehe:

Then there's the criminal damage.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XC6ByCF_I ... re=related

And then just a little silliness.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=M_lDl6O4Mds

That being said, when he kept it on track, he was quite exciting to watch. Particularly when he gave Schumacher a little challenge every now and then with Williams.
#69424
I know these have been on before, but what the heck. I love watching them :)
And no sign of man tits :)

A great racer, but a poor Grand Prix driver. In ten of fifteen years time, Montoya will look back and realise he wasted his abilities.
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By racechick
#69453
I know these have been on before, but what the heck. I love watching them :)
And no sign of man tits :)

A great racer, but a poor Grand Prix driver. In ten of fifteen years time, Montoya will look back and realise he wasted his abilities.


Yes he will. If only he'd come to me!! I could have told him all that!!! I just cant resist a racer, and a gorgeous one............ :thud:
#69473
I know these have been on before, but what the heck. I love watching them :)
And no sign of man tits :)

A great racer, but a poor Grand Prix driver. In ten of fifteen years time, Montoya will look back and realise he wasted his abilities.


Very much Agreed. He has really good car control. He slides an F1 car like it is a GT car...but he also oversteps that line more often than he should. Again, another very talented driver who couldn't quite control his aggression....and ran his mouth too much. Hmm, sounds familiar. It was good to see someone push Schumey around a little though, wasn't it? :D

It was a crying shame seeing a driver with that much talent fall so far as to end up turning left for the rest of his career. :thumbdown: I think if he had had better management, or had listened to what he had...he would be a real contender now...instead of an also ran...in nascar.
#69481
Ok as a former Ferrari fan (before the shenanigans began), I feel compelled to do a Ferrari bullying/complaining/bringing the sport into disrepute/getting other teams penalised timeline.

2001- After reaching the pinnacle of F1, Ferrari begin to take the piss out of their opponents with the last lap position change to allow Schumacher to take 2nd in Austria.

2002- Of course there was the Austria debacle again despite Rubens dominating. But enough has been said about this already.

2003- Unsurprisingly failing to inform the Michelin teams of track surface changes at Monza which they probably specified too. When falling back rapidly in the title race they suddenly decide to protest the Michelin tyres, which ruins the chances of Raikkonen, Montoya, and Ralf Schumacher to win the championship.

2004- They crush the opposition before them but yet again soil the sport's image with an embarrasingly bad attempt at a dead heat at Indianapolis.

2005- Uncompetitive in the title race but didn't show much symapthy for the sport's image in the 6-car US GP. However this is the only one i can sort of understand.

2006- Whilst they are competitive agin they try to sabotage Renault's title challenge by getting a perfectly legal part banned (mass damper). Since then the Renault has not been the same. Also the ridiculous blocking penalty at Monza which Alonso received for allegedly blocking Massa despite the fact that he was probably 200 metres in front of the Brazilian whilst busting his backside to challenge for pole with a damaged car!

2007- Spygate should have been an internal Ferrari matter but I won't place blame with them on this one.

2008 has yet again showed that whenever they are challenged for the championship they resort to running to the Ferrari biased FIA whenever they feel agrieved. Belgium is the obvious example but possibly France as well. Luca di Montezemolo's whining about Singapore just proves my point. If they'd have walked away with a one-two as it was looking he'd have said it was the most fabulous race weeken in living memory! However this is just a case of sour grapes for failing to take home a single point on a track surface which they virtually layed down, due to a basic driving error and a bungled pit stop.
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By racechick
#69493
Ok as a former Ferrari fan (before the shenanigans began), I feel compelled to do a Ferrari bullying/complaining/bringing the sport into disrepute/getting other teams penalised timeline.

2001- After reaching the pinnacle of F1, Ferrari begin to take the piss out of their opponents with the last lap position change to allow Schumacher to take 2nd in Austria.

2002- Of course there was the Austria debacle again despite Rubens dominating. But enough has been said about this already.

2003- Unsurprisingly failing to inform the Michelin teams of track surface changes at Monza which they probably specified too. When falling back rapidly in the title race they suddenly decide to protest the Michelin tyres, which ruins the chances of Raikkonen, Montoya, and Ralf Schumacher to win the championship.

2004- They crush the opposition before them but yet again soil the sport's image with an embarrasingly bad attempt at a dead heat at Indianapolis.

2005- Uncompetitive in the title race but didn't show much symapthy for the sport's image in the 6-car US GP. However this is the only one i can sort of understand.

2006- Whilst they are competitive agin they try to sabotage Renault's title challenge by getting a perfectly legal part banned (mass damper). Since then the Renault has not been the same. Also the ridiculous blocking penalty at Monza which Alonso received for allegedly blocking Massa despite the fact that he was probably 200 metres in front of the Brazilian whilst busting his backside to challenge for pole with a damaged car!

2007- Spygate should have been an internal Ferrari matter but I won't place blame with them on this one.

2008 has yet again showed that whenever they are challenged for the championship they resort to running to the Ferrari biased FIA whenever they feel agrieved. Belgium is the obvious example but possibly France as well. Luca di Montezemolo's whining about Singapore just proves my point. If they'd have walked away with a one-two as it was looking he'd have said it was the most fabulous race weeken in living memory! However this is just a case of sour grapes for failing to take home a single point on a track surface which they virtually layed down, due to a basic driving error and a bungled pit stop.

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By bud
#69500
Ok as a former Ferrari fan (before the shenanigans began), I feel compelled to do a Ferrari bullying/complaining/bringing the sport into disrepute/getting other teams penalised timeline.

2001- After reaching the pinnacle of F1, Ferrari begin to take the piss out of their opponents with the last lap position change to allow Schumacher to take 2nd in Austria.

2002- Of course there was the Austria debacle again despite Rubens dominating. But enough has been said about this already.

2003- Unsurprisingly failing to inform the Michelin teams of track surface changes at Monza which they probably specified too. When falling back rapidly in the title race they suddenly decide to protest the Michelin tyres, which ruins the chances of Raikkonen, Montoya, and Ralf Schumacher to win the championship.

2004- They crush the opposition before them but yet again soil the sport's image with an embarrasingly bad attempt at a dead heat at Indianapolis.

2005- Uncompetitive in the title race but didn't show much symapthy for the sport's image in the 6-car US GP. However this is the only one i can sort of understand.

2006- Whilst they are competitive agin they try to sabotage Renault's title challenge by getting a perfectly legal part banned (mass damper). Since then the Renault has not been the same. Also the ridiculous blocking penalty at Monza which Alonso received for allegedly blocking Massa despite the fact that he was probably 200 metres in front of the Brazilian whilst busting his backside to challenge for pole with a damaged car!

2007- Spygate should have been an internal Ferrari matter but I won't place blame with them on this one.

2008 has yet again showed that whenever they are challenged for the championship they resort to running to the Ferrari biased FIA whenever they feel agrieved. Belgium is the obvious example but possibly France as well. Luca di Montezemolo's whining about Singapore just proves my point. If they'd have walked away with a one-two as it was looking he'd have said it was the most fabulous race weeken in living memory! However this is just a case of sour grapes for failing to take home a single point on a track surface which they virtually layed down, due to a basic driving error and a bungled pit stop.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

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By AKR
#69519
Ok as a former Ferrari fan (before the shenanigans began), I feel compelled to do a Ferrari bullying/complaining/bringing the sport into disrepute/getting other teams penalised timeline.

2001- After reaching the pinnacle of F1, Ferrari begin to take the piss out of their opponents with the last lap position change to allow Schumacher to take 2nd in Austria.

2002- Of course there was the Austria debacle again despite Rubens dominating. But enough has been said about this already.

2003- Unsurprisingly failing to inform the Michelin teams of track surface changes at Monza which they probably specified too. When falling back rapidly in the title race they suddenly decide to protest the Michelin tyres, which ruins the chances of Raikkonen, Montoya, and Ralf Schumacher to win the championship.

2004- They crush the opposition before them but yet again soil the sport's image with an embarrasingly bad attempt at a dead heat at Indianapolis.

2005- Uncompetitive in the title race but didn't show much symapthy for the sport's image in the 6-car US GP. However this is the only one i can sort of understand.

2006- Whilst they are competitive agin they try to sabotage Renault's title challenge by getting a perfectly legal part banned (mass damper). Since then the Renault has not been the same. Also the ridiculous blocking penalty at Monza which Alonso received for allegedly blocking Massa despite the fact that he was probably 200 metres in front of the Brazilian whilst busting his backside to challenge for pole with a damaged car!

2007- Spygate should have been an internal Ferrari matter but I won't place blame with them on this one.

2008 has yet again showed that whenever they are challenged for the championship they resort to running to the Ferrari biased FIA whenever they feel agrieved. Belgium is the obvious example but possibly France as well. Luca di Montezemolo's whining about Singapore just proves my point. If they'd have walked away with a one-two as it was looking he'd have said it was the most fabulous race weeken in living memory! However this is just a case of sour grapes for failing to take home a single point on a track surface which they virtually layed down, due to a basic driving error and a bungled pit stop.


Changing teams is a no no. It is like changing football sides. You simply don't do that if you are a true fan of the sport. Shame of you for now being a former Ferrari Fan. You look at all these negative points about Ferrari. Strange they are all from the year 2000 onwards. The decade Ferrari is most dominate. Would you prefer to have the non winning Ferraris of the 1990s then? I would never change teams even if you paid me, no what they did, weather right or wrong.
#69557
Ferrari may not have won in the 1990s, but at least they had honour. Ferrari have completely forgotten what sportsmanship means. Enzo Ferrari could be a right b@st@rd at times, but he always appreciated the sporting value of Formula One.
#69580
Ok as a former Ferrari fan (before the shenanigans began), I feel compelled to do a Ferrari bullying/complaining/bringing the sport into disrepute/getting other teams penalised timeline.

2001- After reaching the pinnacle of F1, Ferrari begin to take the piss out of their opponents with the last lap position change to allow Schumacher to take 2nd in Austria.

2002- Of course there was the Austria debacle again despite Rubens dominating. But enough has been said about this already.

2003- Unsurprisingly failing to inform the Michelin teams of track surface changes at Monza which they probably specified too. When falling back rapidly in the title race they suddenly decide to protest the Michelin tyres, which ruins the chances of Raikkonen, Montoya, and Ralf Schumacher to win the championship.

2004- They crush the opposition before them but yet again soil the sport's image with an embarrasingly bad attempt at a dead heat at Indianapolis.

2005- Uncompetitive in the title race but didn't show much symapthy for the sport's image in the 6-car US GP. However this is the only one i can sort of understand.

2006- Whilst they are competitive agin they try to sabotage Renault's title challenge by getting a perfectly legal part banned (mass damper). Since then the Renault has not been the same. Also the ridiculous blocking penalty at Monza which Alonso received for allegedly blocking Massa despite the fact that he was probably 200 metres in front of the Brazilian whilst busting his backside to challenge for pole with a damaged car!

2007- Spygate should have been an internal Ferrari matter but I won't place blame with them on this one.

2008 has yet again showed that whenever they are challenged for the championship they resort to running to the Ferrari biased FIA whenever they feel agrieved. Belgium is the obvious example but possibly France as well. Luca di Montezemolo's whining about Singapore just proves my point. If they'd have walked away with a one-two as it was looking he'd have said it was the most fabulous race weeken in living memory! However this is just a case of sour grapes for failing to take home a single point on a track surface which they virtually layed down, due to a basic driving error and a bungled pit stop.


Changing teams is a no no. It is like changing football sides. You simply don't do that if you are a true fan of the sport. Shame of you for now being a former Ferrari Fan. You look at all these negative points about Ferrari. Strange they are all from the year 2000 onwards. The decade Ferrari is most dominate. Would you prefer to have the non winning Ferraris of the 1990s then? I would never change teams even if you paid me, no what they did, weather right or wrong.


On paper it may seem like I am a bit of a traitor, but I only started watching F1 in 1996, so it's inevitable that most of my anti-Ferrari moments are post-2000.

I supported Ferrari up until around 2001. Before that their meteoric rise back to the top of Formula One was commendable and exciting, but after that they decided that being at the top wasn't enough, and proceeded to add to their subsequent car advantage by consistently kicking the other teams when they were down, and by shooting down any potential challenges to their dominance by way of protests, underhanded tactics and blatant showing off.

This is not the way any team should behave, especially when they are the most widely supported team, AND the one that everyone inside and outside the sport recognises and is supposed to respect. Over the last 7 years i have lost virtually all my respect for Scuderia Ferrari.

By the way I thing you have some serious issues if you can tolerate the wrong actions of a team you support and still stick with them. Especially if they are against the traditions and/or rules of the sport in question.

Ferrari are one of the reasons I enjoyed Sebastian Vettel's victory at Monza so much. Ferrari, McLaren and the rest were shown up by a car run by the majority of the Minardi team, a genuine Italian team who have now proved that if they had received the financial backing of the top teams all those years ago, they too could have been winning Grands Prix.

The victory for Toro Rosso could be the best thing I've ever seen in F1, and one of the reasons my faith in F1 is now fully restored.
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By 8-ball
#69606
I support Ferrari but I have no problem dropping them like a cheap suit if I think they cross the line too far in their behavior. I'd rather support a team like Mclaren who loses more often but at least the lose with dignity. Ferrari are a great team with a great history but in recent years they have thrown the rules out the window and become master of manipulating the system and bending the rules. They have crossed the line on many occasions but not as far to make me leave them just yet
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By AKR
#69620
By the way I thing you have some serious issues if you can tolerate the wrong actions of a team you support and still stick with them. Especially if they are against the traditions and/or rules of the sport in question.

Ferrari are one of the reasons I enjoyed Sebastian Vettel's victory at Monza so much. Ferrari, McLaren and the rest were shown up by a car run by the majority of the Minardi team, a genuine Italian team who have now proved that if they had received the financial backing of the top teams all those years ago, they too could have been winning Grands Prix.

The victory for Toro Rosso could be the best thing I've ever seen in F1, and one of the reasons my faith in F1 is now fully restored.


Number 1, I do not have any serious issues whatsoever. Despite what you say, weather it is true or not, that is no reason why anyone should change teams. Obviously you said you started watching F1 as a Ferrari Fan and then changed because you didn't like Ferrari's behaviour. I can see you were not never a true fan as if you were you wouldn't change teams. No one does. Just like a real football supporter of their club wouldn't. I know Brtits who support Ferrari and they would never change teams nor support McLaren or even Lewis Hamilton over Ferrari. This is now in the present after all the accusations you bring forward about Ferrari in current decade. Although they like anyone else can admit any wrong doings by Ferrari, if their heart like my heart is with Ferrari, they like I share a passion for the team, why would we eveb consider changing? McLaren last year cheated. That is a bigger offence then all these little things Ferrari has done this decade according to you. (And I don't care how you try and say McLaren didn't really cheat). After the Spygate I don't see any McLarenites turn to Ferrari or any other team do I? They stick to their team in good times and bad times. To me what it seems is that no one else but Ferrari can do wrong and people start believing that crap and then do the unthinkable and change sides. Well that is for the weak minded and untrue loyal supporters. That isn't me so I'll be a Ferrari Tifosa until the day I die.
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By scotty
#69625
To be fair to Ferrari, Michael Schumacher had a very large part in turning them into what they are today. The dirty scummer :D
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