- 07 Apr 07, 21:41#6738
Walmart sounds like something Lola would try and do to get back into F1 after they tried Mastercard last time.
Just remembered that Lamborghini supplied Lotus with V12 engines in 1990, Ligier in 1991, Minardi in 1992, but their best success was probably with the Larrousse team in 1989 and 1990, especially when Aguri Suzuki came home 3rd at Suzuka in 1990 behind the Benetton 1-2 of Piquet and Moreno, Larrousse lost the engines in 1991 to Ligier, but when Chrysler got involved with Lambo in 1992, Larrousse got the engines back. The Lamborghini V12 had the same power output as the Ferrari V12, but was generally less reliable.
And also anybody remember Lamborghini's attempt at a works team in 1991 called "Modena" (absolutely nothing to do with Stefano Modena who was driving for Tyrrell that year)? Dark blue car driven by Eric Van De Pole with weird looking sidepods reminiscent of those on the 1978 Brabham BT46. Was a pretty big shambles, but absolutely nothing like Life's attempt.
Also it's interesting that Judd hasn't been seen in F1 since 1992, the last we saw of John Judd's work was on the Yamaha engine that almost gave Damon Hill's Arrows a victory at Hungary in 1997, the closest Arrows have come to a Grand Prix win since Riccardo Patrese in Sweden 1978 when the Brabham Fan Car "cleaned up" (or more like dirtied up when Mario Andretti said all sorts of rubbish got spat out of the BT46B's fan). It is mentioned from various sources that if Pacific continued in 1996 they would have been using Yamaha's re-badged as Judds.
Porsche may have had great success with McLaren in 1984, 85 and 86, but in 1990 when they were supplying Arrows with engines, they were struggling so bad, Arrows eventually ditched them and stuck a Cosworth engine in the car for the remainder of the season.
Now this is probably the 5 millionth time I've pressed the Edit button tonight, but ideas and comments to add to my post just keep jumping out at me, plus it stops me from needlessly spamming.
Your UPS comment just reminded me of when Jordan's title sponsor was DHL in 2002, their last year of using works Honda engines (it was a great looking car too) and also this Jim Bamber cartoon.
"And Mansell was lucky not to be taken off by that RIDICULOUS bit of driving by Alliot!!" - James Hunt
"AAAAAND into the pitlane..... OHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!" - Murray Walker
Volkswagen, Mazda (Ford), Saab (GM), Volvo (Ford), Hyundai, Kia (Hyundai), Holden (GM), Peugeot Citroën, Mitsubishi, Nissan (Renault), Subaru (Fuji) - most are already connected with each other, consolidation in manufacturers has been in full swing for years.
That's why I didn't mention any of those. Any company related to Ford is ruled out as long as Ford is out, Nissan is taken care of by Renault, Fiat is taken care of by Ferarri, Chrysler or Dodge is taken care of by Mercedes, Honda is in, Toyota is in, Volkwagen seems doable, that would take care of Audi and Bugatti though, GM seems doable with whatever brand they choose, Lotus isn't in my mind a viable engine supplier but rather a team that gets its engines from somebody else, Fuji seems the last big Japanese company who is not in F1 yet, Porsche seems doable although they are small,
and the following are in my mind too small to be successful(remembering I'm talking about works engine supply to garagistes):
Lamborghini, Peugeot, Citroen, Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Hyundai(they're huge but car wise they're not capable of investing heavily in F1) Mitsubishi, Alfa, DeTomaso, Proton, Lancia, Skoda, Lada, Dacia, Olga, Innocenti, Vespa, Sears, Saleen, Lotus, Kia, Trabant, Simca, Cheri, Brilliant, Rover, MG, Matra, Tatra, Morgan, etc, I can't think of all the world's carmakers but they're all too small. This is not to say that any of those companies, as well as specialist craftsmen like Hart and Judd etc, couldnt supply engines on a customer basis, but those arrangements rarely win races let alone titles.
You know who's big enough to do it? Walmart.
Walmart sounds like something Lola would try and do to get back into F1 after they tried Mastercard last time.
Just remembered that Lamborghini supplied Lotus with V12 engines in 1990, Ligier in 1991, Minardi in 1992, but their best success was probably with the Larrousse team in 1989 and 1990, especially when Aguri Suzuki came home 3rd at Suzuka in 1990 behind the Benetton 1-2 of Piquet and Moreno, Larrousse lost the engines in 1991 to Ligier, but when Chrysler got involved with Lambo in 1992, Larrousse got the engines back. The Lamborghini V12 had the same power output as the Ferrari V12, but was generally less reliable.
And also anybody remember Lamborghini's attempt at a works team in 1991 called "Modena" (absolutely nothing to do with Stefano Modena who was driving for Tyrrell that year)? Dark blue car driven by Eric Van De Pole with weird looking sidepods reminiscent of those on the 1978 Brabham BT46. Was a pretty big shambles, but absolutely nothing like Life's attempt.
Also it's interesting that Judd hasn't been seen in F1 since 1992, the last we saw of John Judd's work was on the Yamaha engine that almost gave Damon Hill's Arrows a victory at Hungary in 1997, the closest Arrows have come to a Grand Prix win since Riccardo Patrese in Sweden 1978 when the Brabham Fan Car "cleaned up" (or more like dirtied up when Mario Andretti said all sorts of rubbish got spat out of the BT46B's fan). It is mentioned from various sources that if Pacific continued in 1996 they would have been using Yamaha's re-badged as Judds.
Porsche may have had great success with McLaren in 1984, 85 and 86, but in 1990 when they were supplying Arrows with engines, they were struggling so bad, Arrows eventually ditched them and stuck a Cosworth engine in the car for the remainder of the season.
Or UPS
Now this is probably the 5 millionth time I've pressed the Edit button tonight, but ideas and comments to add to my post just keep jumping out at me, plus it stops me from needlessly spamming.
Your UPS comment just reminded me of when Jordan's title sponsor was DHL in 2002, their last year of using works Honda engines (it was a great looking car too) and also this Jim Bamber cartoon.
"And Mansell was lucky not to be taken off by that RIDICULOUS bit of driving by Alliot!!" - James Hunt
"AAAAAND into the pitlane..... OHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!" - Murray Walker
