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I don't think Mclaren cheated persay in 2007 since no Ferrari parts were found on the 07 car and i find it very hard to belive based on Ron reporting to Max straight away he was aware of what was going on. That said he should have been and the punishment was harsh but justified.
Well you all seem to believe the same thing regarding the above. Bud says the same thing, so does McLaren Fan, so does Racechick and so on and so on so that is why I tend to have the habit of saying, that is what all you McLaren supporters want it to be.but your doing yourself no good standing on your soap box shouting out that Mclaren cheated when we all know Ferrari have cheated in the past as have their drivers. Infact most F1 teams have bent the rules too far at some point.
But your going to get that in a sport which is constructor based.
No one is a cheat until they are caught. That is a fact. I know that b@stard Inter-Milan are cheats in football. Bigger cheats than Juve were a couple of years back. But Juve got caught and not Inter-Milan so as far as the world is concerned, Inter are not cheats and Juve were. Same is the case with F1. Ferrari are not cheats but last year McLaren tried to cheat.
Actually Ferrari's 'flexi-floor' was was within the rules of interpretation but once it was deemed an unfair advantage it was banned, it was not a deliberate breaking of the rules.
Actually Ferrari's 'flexi-floor' was was within the rules of interpretation but once it was deemed an unfair advantage it was banned, it was not a deliberate breaking of the rules.
I'm quite sure that it was less rigid than the regulations allow. In addition, it was actually designed to deceive the FIA tests on rigidity - when the stress was applied in the test, a spring prevented it from moving more than it was allowed. However, the greater forces generated by racing at speed meant that it could flex a lot more than it was allowed to as defined by the regulations.
Actually Ferrari's 'flexi-floor' was was within the rules of interpretation but once it was deemed an unfair advantage it was banned, it was not a deliberate breaking of the rules.
I'm quite sure that it was less rigid than the regulations allow. In addition, it was actually designed to deceive the FIA tests on rigidity - when the stress was applied in the test, a spring prevented it from moving more than it was allowed. However, the greater forces generated by racing at speed meant that it could flex a lot more than it was allowed to as defined by the regulations.
Thank you again for that sensible post. I think the tifosi need to come down from their ivory towers and read up their facts.
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Actually Ferrari's 'flexi-floor' was was within the rules of interpretation but once it was deemed an unfair advantage it was banned, it was not a deliberate breaking of the rules.
I'm quite sure that it was less rigid than the regulations allow. In addition, it was actually designed to deceive the FIA tests on rigidity - when the stress was applied in the test, a spring prevented it from moving more than it was allowed. However, the greater forces generated by racing at speed meant that it could flex a lot more than it was allowed to as defined by the regulations.
Thank you again for that sensible post. I think the tifosi need to come down from their ivory towers and read up their facts.
Yes thanks for the clarification and I was just stating the info I had heard and read. I luv you too Chris
Man I wish F1 could be like the old day's when it was basically a 'run what you brung' deal.
!On your second point cheating is cheating if your get away with it then its still cheating and this has Nothing to do with football. Finaly you say Mclaren TRIED to cheat so thefore you admit they did not cheat had the infomation to do so where as Ferrari actualy cheated with the felixable floor?
Actually Ferrari's 'flexi-floor' was was within the rules of interpretation but once it was deemed an unfair advantage it was banned, it was not a deliberate breaking of the rules.
I'm quite sure that it was less rigid than the regulations allow. In addition, it was actually designed to deceive the FIA tests on rigidity - when the stress was applied in the test, a spring prevented it from moving more than it was allowed. However, the greater forces generated by racing at speed meant that it could flex a lot more than it was allowed to as defined by the regulations.
Thank you again for that sensible post. I think the tifosi need to come down from their ivory towers and read up their facts.
No what I meant is tried to cheat and get away with it. They did cheat but did not get away and rather got caught. Ferrari didn't cheat with the felixable floor. It was a misunderstanding and no intention to cheat was made. McLaren knew when they had the Ferrari technical documents and using them was illegal. In this case an intention and then an act of breaking the rules was made. McLaren therefore got penalised. If Ferrari were infact considered cheating with that felixable floor, they too would of gotten a penalty. The FIA afterall knew about it according to what you say. So if Ferrari cheated they would of gotten a penalty of some sort. Ferrari got no penalty therefore they didn't cheat.
No what I meant is tried to cheat and get away with it. They did cheat but did not get away and rather got caught. Ferrari didn't cheat with the felixable floor. It was a misunderstanding and no intention to cheat was made. McLaren knew when they had the Ferrari technical documents and using them was illegal. In this case an intention and then an act of breaking the rules was made. McLaren therefore got penalised. If Ferrari were infact considered cheating with that felixable floor, they too would of gotten a penalty. The FIA afterall knew about it according to what you say. So if Ferrari cheated they would of gotten a penalty of some sort. Ferrari got no penalty therefore they didn't cheat.
Ferrari knew the flexible floor was illegal and tried to circumvent the rules. They got caught and were not penalised.
No what I meant is tried to cheat and get away with it. They did cheat but did not get away and rather got caught. Ferrari didn't cheat with the felixable floor. It was a misunderstanding and no intention to cheat was made. McLaren knew when they had the Ferrari technical documents and using them was illegal. In this case an intention and then an act of breaking the rules was made. McLaren therefore got penalised. If Ferrari were infact considered cheating with that felixable floor, they too would of gotten a penalty. The FIA afterall knew about it according to what you say. So if Ferrari cheated they would of gotten a penalty of some sort. Ferrari got no penalty therefore they didn't cheat.
Ferrari knew the flexible floor was illegal and tried to circumvent the rules. They got caught and were not penalised.
Chris I don't understand, how can you get caught and not pay any penalty whatsoever? The rules are the same for all are they not? At least it is what I've come to expect from a professional sport such as F1. I know we have made comments and jokes about conspiracies but in all reality I never thought it would be true. From what you are saying, that Ferrari were caught and not punished then it would suggest that the FIA favours Ferrari and a conspiracy does exist?
Actually Ferrari's 'flexi-floor' was was within the rules of interpretation but once it was deemed an unfair advantage it was banned, it was not a deliberate breaking of the rules.
I'm quite sure that it was less rigid than the regulations allow. In addition, it was actually designed to deceive the FIA tests on rigidity - when the stress was applied in the test, a spring prevented it from moving more than it was allowed. However, the greater forces generated by racing at speed meant that it could flex a lot more than it was allowed to as defined by the regulations.
Thank you again for that sensible post. I think the tifosi need to come down from their ivory towers and read up their facts.
Of course to you that is sensible. Simply because it favours McLaren being innocent and Ferrari the exact opposite. But of course as soon as we bring up the Spygate scandal or the inncident at Spa, that is all wrong and of course McLaren really did no wrong and the FIA conspiring against McLaren in Ferrari's favour. Problem with you is you accept only alleged Ferrari cheating, but not proven McLaren cheating. You're biased and that is a fact. It is either you see one view from both sides or the other side of the story from both sides. Not simply just choose to accept what is convenient for you.
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