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[bud]

This point in the season is where Mclaren usually start to unravel and things seem to click in place for Ferrari. It happened last year starting in Hungary and its start here at Monza. It was a schoolboy error by the boys in the team and what makes it worse is that it was completely avoidable. Well the hopes of the team rest with Heikki who quite is frankly useless

Kovalainen should leave McLaren and the team should sue him under the trade descriptions act. I thought that McLaren employed a racing driver.

Firstly, cos I have been dying to let this out, STFU

Some whinning, for christ's sake

guys do i have to be the McLaren mediator here between you two?

[McLaren Fan]

The fact is, Hannah, that Kovalainen has not been doing the business for McLaren this season. He had a lot of bad luck at the start of the season and showed a hell of a lot of promise in his qualifying times. His race pace was poor, but McLaren came up with ways of improving this. Whereas Hamilton was able to implement the changes McLaren's engineers recommended to him, Kovalainen was not. That's why at Silverstone Hamilton ran the new radiator cover and Kovalainen didn't (this was because of the changes made to the car's front wing). I was prepared to give Kovalainen the benefit of the doubt, given that it took him a while to get used to the R27 last season and settle into Renault, so was expecting results in the second half of the season. Borrow a lucky win and a podium that should have been a win today, they have not been forthcoming. I mean, how can you start from second on the grid and have your teammate who started fifteenth be ahead of you only half way into the race? Kovalainen might be a nice guy, but his performances are pathetic. McLaren need him to help Hamilton and help the team win the constructors' title. I don't expect him to be able to do so. If I'm a bad for being intolerant of failure and sub-standard performances, then I'm happy to be a bad fan. McLaren supporters were brought up on a diet of Lauda and Prost, Prost and Senna, Hakkinen and Coulthard and with some cracking cars, so forgive me for expecting more from the team and its drivers.

[al4x]

wow, no ferrari fans needed on this on, a civil war

bud, you doing mediating, wtf??

[Hanwombat]

This point in the season is where Mclaren usually start to unravel and things seem to click in place for Ferrari. It happened last year starting in Hungary and its start here at Monza. It was a schoolboy error by the boys in the team and what makes it worse is that it was completely avoidable. Well the hopes of the team rest with Heikki who quite is frankly useless

Kovalainen should leave McLaren and the team should sue him under the trade descriptions act. I thought that McLaren employed a racing driver.

Firstly, cos I have been dying to let this out, STFU

Some whinning, for christ's sake

guys do i have to be the McLaren mediator here between you two?

I'll pop you too

[bud]

This point in the season is where Mclaren usually start to unravel and things seem to click in place for Ferrari. It happened last year starting in Hungary and its start here at Monza. It was a schoolboy error by the boys in the team and what makes it worse is that it was completely avoidable. Well the hopes of the team rest with Heikki who quite is frankly useless

Kovalainen should leave McLaren and the team should sue him under the trade descriptions act. I thought that McLaren employed a racing driver.

Firstly, cos I have been dying to let this out, STFU

Some whinning, for christ's sake

guys do i have to be the McLaren mediator here between you two?

I'll pop you too

hmm i was popped over a decade ago

[Hanwombat]

This point in the season is where Mclaren usually start to unravel and things seem to click in place for Ferrari. It happened last year starting in Hungary and its start here at Monza. It was a schoolboy error by the boys in the team and what makes it worse is that it was completely avoidable. Well the hopes of the team rest with Heikki who quite is frankly useless

Kovalainen should leave McLaren and the team should sue him under the trade descriptions act. I thought that McLaren employed a racing driver.

Firstly, cos I have been dying to let this out, STFU

Some whinning, for christ's sake

guys do i have to be the McLaren mediator here between you two?

I'll pop you too

hmm i was popped over a decade ago

congrates

[bud]

wow, no ferrari fans needed on this on, a civil war

bud, you doing mediating, wtf??

funny ole world innit

[FerrariFan63]

lol maybe he wanted to prove he could emmulate schumacher?

Jumping forward to after the race, had MS been in LH's position, Brawn would have put intermediates on his car instead of the wets, and it would have been a glorious victory.

Question is, since KR went onto intermediates mid way through, and started ahead of Hamilton, why couldn't KR manage the glorious victory? Rather than finishing in 9th of all places.

[FerrariFan63]

The fact is, Hannah, that Kovalainen has not been doing the business for McLaren this season. He had a lot of bad luck at the start of the season and showed a hell of a lot of promise in his qualifying times. His race pace was poor, but McLaren came up with ways of improving this. Whereas Hamilton was able to implement the changes McLaren's engineers recommended to him, Kovalainen was not.

Compare HK's first two seasons to KR's. Not that different.

[bud]

Jumping forward to after the race, had MS been in LH's position, Brawn would have put intermediates on his car instead of the wets, and it would have been a glorious victory.

when exactly?

[FerrariFan63]

when exactly?

I don't understand your question. Are you asking when Brawn's strategies helped MS to victory? Or when Brawn would have put intermediates on MS's car if MS had been in a similar situation to LH during this race. I think you mean the latter, and hence say that I think Brawn would have had MS come in at the same time, as that was good pitstop timing. But would have put intermediates on. Trusting MS's ability to make something of it on inters if the rain had come.

[bud]

when exactly?

I don't understand your question. Are you asking when Brawn's strategies helped MS to victory? Or when Brawn would have put intermediates on MS's car if MS had been in a similar situation to LH during this race. I think you mean the latter, and hence say that I think Brawn would have had MS come in at the same time, as that was good pitstop timing. But would have put intermediates on. Trusting MS's ability to make something of it on inters if the rain had come.

ahh at his first pit stop, Yeah in hindsight if he could have lapped well on inters until it dried up then he probably would have won for certain! but after trying that in Q2 and making a bad call to gamble again in the race when you were lapping faster than everyone ahead would have been a stupid call! especially since the supposed weather forecast was for more rain during the race!

[FerrariFan63]

ahh at his first pit stop, Yeah in hindsight if he could have lapped well on inters until it dried up then he probably would have won for certain! but after trying that in Q2 and making a bad call to gamble again in the race when you were lapping faster than everyone ahead would have been a stupid call! especially since the supposed weather forecast was for more rain during the race!

I only saw the hacked highlights version. But I thought that other one-stoppers were putting on inters at a time not too dissimilar from LH's pit. Maybe when I see the full replay (Tuesday on one of the Freeview ITV channels?) things will look different. But even if there's a few laps in it, Brawn would have made a braver choice.

After all, we are talking entirely hypothetical situations here. So it's not like anything can be right or wrong.

[bud]

one stoppers like Kubica pitted 7 laps later than Hamilton and put on inters! which is about 10 minutes after Lewis and at that time it was meant to be raining again. So i think they made the right call because they couldnt do another stuff up like they did in Q2.
But in hindsight it would have been the better option

[Denthúl]

The fact is, Hannah, that Kovalainen has not been doing the business for McLaren this season. He had a lot of bad luck at the start of the season and showed a hell of a lot of promise in his qualifying times. His race pace was poor, but McLaren came up with ways of improving this. Whereas Hamilton was able to implement the changes McLaren's engineers recommended to him, Kovalainen was not.

Compare HK's first two seasons to KR's. Not that different.

Quite so.