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By Malibu327
#65395
I think if it had rained at half-distance and Hamilton had not had to pit for inters he would have been extremely close to Vettel and probably beaten him. However it didn't happen that way and as I am fond of saying "all's well that ends well"


well before Vettel pitted again Hamilton was only 1 second behind him! so if it did rain again he would have been in there for the win for sure

That's one of the reasons why I'm having some trouble in deciding who was driver of the day. Hamilton drove superbly. I lost count of how many overtaking moves he pulled off. Had it rained even a little bit, he would have won the race unless, say, a technical problem intervened. But that's racing and Yvette's victory was really well deserved. He dealt with the pressure and it was amazing how it kept the car on the track at times going as fast as through the corners on a dry setup as others on a wet setup. If Vettel wasn't driver of the day, he was driver of the weekend nevertheless. :thumbup:



Hamilton scares me. He is an amazing driver but I think he's slowly taking "aggressive driving" to a dangerous level. Keep in mind I am a huge MS fan - I love gritty driving - but Lewis keeps doing things that make me wonder...
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By McLaren Fan
#65396
Kovalainen should be absolutely ashamed himself. I'm disgusted that a McLaren driver should perform like that in a race-winning car and have the cheek to make excuses about it afterwards - shades of Alain Prost's pathetic comments after the 1993 European Grand Prix. The conditions were the same for everybody, Kovalainen was not the only one with problems and he was completely owned by Vettel and Hamilton - Hamilton who started the race practically from the back of the grid! Shape up, or ship out Kovalainen.


A bit harsh :D

I mean it. I've lost my patience with Kovalainen. The race was there for the taking and he wasn't up to the task of winning it. If I were running McLaren, I'd consider giving Kovalainen his money for 2009 and sacking him.

While we're all praising Vettel, I think a word about Bourdais is in order. He was a lap down at the end of lap one and he was a lap down at the end of the race. Who knows how high he could have finished if he had actually started in fourth.

True. I felt sorry for him today. It was a chance for him to show what he was made of and get a really good result. If I were Berger, I would not be too harsh on him. He's got used to the new car and got used to Formula One by the looks of things over the last few weeks, but allowed the excitement to get the better of him today. His pace in the race was very good, so Toro Rosso must be blind not see all of this.
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By darwin dali
#65397
I think if it had rained at half-distance and Hamilton had not had to pit for inters he would have been extremely close to Vettel and probably beaten him. However it didn't happen that way and as I am fond of saying "all's well that ends well"


well before Vettel pitted again Hamilton was only 1 second behind him! so if it did rain again he would have been in there for the win for sure

That's one of the reasons why I'm having some trouble in deciding who was driver of the day. Hamilton drove superbly. I lost count of how many overtaking moves he pulled off. Had it rained even a little bit, he would have won the race unless, say, a technical problem intervened. But that's racing and Yvette's victory was really well deserved. He dealt with the pressure and it was amazing how it kept the car on the track at times going as fast as through the corners on a dry setup as others on a wet setup. If Vettel wasn't driver of the day, he was driver of the weekend nevertheless. :thumbup:


There's no question in my mind who was the driver of the day: SV of course!

LH did great until he ended up right behind FM, and then? Big fat nothing! What happened? He wasn't able to close in on FM as he was previously doing with everybody else in his way. I think he settled for 7th with losing just one point against FM, which is probably the smarter thing to do in those conditions - it just looked strange.
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By McLaren Fan
#65399
I think if it had rained at half-distance and Hamilton had not had to pit for inters he would have been extremely close to Vettel and probably beaten him. However it didn't happen that way and as I am fond of saying "all's well that ends well"


well before Vettel pitted again Hamilton was only 1 second behind him! so if it did rain again he would have been in there for the win for sure

That's one of the reasons why I'm having some trouble in deciding who was driver of the day. Hamilton drove superbly. I lost count of how many overtaking moves he pulled off. Had it rained even a little bit, he would have won the race unless, say, a technical problem intervened. But that's racing and Yvette's victory was really well deserved. He dealt with the pressure and it was amazing how it kept the car on the track at times going as fast as through the corners on a dry setup as others on a wet setup. If Vettel wasn't driver of the day, he was driver of the weekend nevertheless. :thumbup:



Hamilton scares me. He is an amazing driver but I think he's slowly taking "aggressive driving" to a dangerous level. Keep in mind I am a huge MS fan - I love gritty driving - but Lewis keeps doing things that make me wonder...

He cut things very fine with Webber today. He just about gave him enough room and they touched cars. At least he's not letting last week get to him, I suppose. :wink:
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By McLaren Fan
#65401
There's no question in my mind who was the driver of the day: SV of course!

LH did great until he ended up right behind FM, and then? Big fat nothing! What happened? He wasn't able to close in on FM as he was previously doing with everybody else in his way. I think he settled for 7th with losing just one point against FM, which is probably the smarter thing to do in those conditions - it just looked strange.

He overcooked this tyres, so didn't want to push it catching Massa. Using the remainder of the tyres to consolidate what he had was the right choice. The engine was also in its second Grand Prix, so I wonder if that was anything to do with things as well.
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By onelapdown
#65402
While we're all praising Vettel, I think a word about Bourdais is in order. He was a lap down at the end of lap one and he was a lap down at the end of the race. Who knows how high he could have finished if he had actually started in fourth.


I second that.

Actually if you look at the data Bourdais's early change to inters would probably have won him the race. Incredible.
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By Malibu327
#65403
I think if it had rained at half-distance and Hamilton had not had to pit for inters he would have been extremely close to Vettel and probably beaten him. However it didn't happen that way and as I am fond of saying "all's well that ends well"


well before Vettel pitted again Hamilton was only 1 second behind him! so if it did rain again he would have been in there for the win for sure

That's one of the reasons why I'm having some trouble in deciding who was driver of the day. Hamilton drove superbly. I lost count of how many overtaking moves he pulled off. Had it rained even a little bit, he would have won the race unless, say, a technical problem intervened. But that's racing and Yvette's victory was really well deserved. He dealt with the pressure and it was amazing how it kept the car on the track at times going as fast as through the corners on a dry setup as others on a wet setup. If Vettel wasn't driver of the day, he was driver of the weekend nevertheless. :thumbup:



Hamilton scares me. He is an amazing driver but I think he's slowly taking "aggressive driving" to a dangerous level. Keep in mind I am a huge MS fan - I love gritty driving - but Lewis keeps doing things that make me wonder...

He cut things very fine with Webber today. He just about gave him enough room and they touched cars. At least he's not letting last week get to him, I suppose. :wink:



yeah, but.... he's got the car and the skills to pull these moves off cleanly. He could have let Kimi have the chicane in Belgium and still gotten him in the next corner. I worry that he's a little inexperienced to be driving under the sort of pressures that are being put on him.
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By bud
#65404

There's no question in my mind who was the driver of the day: SV of course!

LH did great until he ended up right behind FM, and then? Big fat nothing! What happened? He wasn't able to close in on FM as he was previously doing with everybody else in his way. I think he settled for 7th with losing just one point against FM, which is probably the smarter thing to do in those conditions - it just looked strange.


Yeah it has to be Sebastian Vettlel as he was smart enough to put himself on pole to begin with while Lewis tried to be too clever when it wasnt needed! and clearly if he Q'd where he was meant to he probably would have won!

on the catching Massa part, i think it all came down to track conditions and tyre wear, by the time he caught Massa it was too late as his tyres were cooked and the track was becoming dryer
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By darwin dali
#65406
There's no question in my mind who was the driver of the day: SV of course!

LH did great until he ended up right behind FM, and then? Big fat nothing! What happened? He wasn't able to close in on FM as he was previously doing with everybody else in his way. I think he settled for 7th with losing just one point against FM, which is probably the smarter thing to do in those conditions - it just looked strange.

He overcooked this tyres, so didn't want to push it catching Massa. Using the remainder of the tyres to consolidate what he had was the right choice. The engine was also in its second Grand Prix, so I wonder if that was anything to do with things as well.


Tires yes, engine no - I doubt the engines were overly exerted in those conditions, even at Monza.
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By bud
#65408
There's no question in my mind who was the driver of the day: SV of course!

LH did great until he ended up right behind FM, and then? Big fat nothing! What happened? He wasn't able to close in on FM as he was previously doing with everybody else in his way. I think he settled for 7th with losing just one point against FM, which is probably the smarter thing to do in those conditions - it just looked strange.

He overcooked this tyres, so didn't want to push it catching Massa. Using the remainder of the tyres to consolidate what he had was the right choice. The engine was also in its second Grand Prix, so I wonder if that was anything to do with things as well.


Tires yes, engine no - I doubt the engines were overly exerted in those conditions, even at Monza.


yeah the water and air temp would have been an engines dream :cloud9:
By f1maniac95
#65411
That was one of the best races I have ever seen there was plenty of overtaking and Vettel drove a great race and thoroughly deserved the win.
By al4x
#65413
Kovalainen should be absolutely ashamed himself. I'm disgusted that a McLaren driver should perform like that in a race-winning car and have the cheek to make excuses about it afterwards - shades of Alain Prost's pathetic comments after the 1993 European Grand Prix. The conditions were the same for everybody, Kovalainen was not the only one with problems and he was completely owned by Vettel and Hamilton - Hamilton who started the race practically from the back of the grid! Shape up, or ship out Kovalainen.


A bit harsh :D


indeed, at least he put wet tyres on for q2 lol
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By bud
#65414
Kovalainen should be absolutely ashamed himself. I'm disgusted that a McLaren driver should perform like that in a race-winning car and have the cheek to make excuses about it afterwards - shades of Alain Prost's pathetic comments after the 1993 European Grand Prix. The conditions were the same for everybody, Kovalainen was not the only one with problems and he was completely owned by Vettel and Hamilton - Hamilton who started the race practically from the back of the grid! Shape up, or ship out Kovalainen.


A bit harsh :D


indeed, at least he put wet tyres on for q2 lol


enough said :wink:
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By przemo
#65416
LH did great until he ended up right behind FM, and then? Big fat nothing! What happened? He wasn't able to close in on FM as he was previously doing with everybody else in his way. I think he settled for 7th with losing just one point against FM, which is probably the smarter thing to do in those conditions - it just looked strange.

By the time he catched Massa the track was almost dry and Lewis wasn't able to be so quick anymore.
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By McLaren Fan
#65419
At least Massa kept things on the track today. At least some brains make up for his deficiencies in car control.
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