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[cetin]

First of all congratulations to Vettel for his big win.

I wonder when would the stewards would declare the penalties of 2 Ferraris both cutting the chicane and taking over at Monza. Probably they won't even 'see' the cuts. Massa did it more than once.

[bjsulla]

FIA penalties when there is nothing under investigation. That would be the day when I REALLY started to hate FIA.

[al4x]

no penalties today from what i saw

[scotty]

They may just have time to find out that Hamilton caused an 'avoidable incident/collision' with Webber

[Denthúl]

First of all congratulations to Vettel for his big win.

I wonder when would the stewards would declare the penalties of 2 Ferraris both cutting the chicane and taking over at Monza. Probably they won't even 'see' the cuts. Massa did it more than once.

Massa cut the chicane twice and gave back the position twice, before waiting to attack. By the rules as the FIA have clarified. When he cut the chicane in front of the other guy, he came down the straight with what was actually a smaller gap to the guy behind than when he went in to it. I would not call that gaining an advantage.

[bud]

Lewis got one for being too black

[Denthúl]

Lewis got one for being too black

Of course.

[racechick]

Lewis got one for being too black

Young gifted and black!! and in the wrong colour car

[bud]

Lewis got one for being too black

Young gifted and black!! and in the wrong colour car

and he can speak English thats another no no

[przemo]

First of all congratulations to Vettel for his big win.

I wonder when would the stewards would declare the penalties of 2 Ferraris both cutting the chicane and taking over at Monza. Probably they won't even 'see' the cuts. Massa did it more than once.

Massa cut the chicane twice and gave back the position twice, before waiting to attack. By the rules as the FIA have clarified. When he cut the chicane in front of the other guy, he came down the straight with what was actually a smaller gap to the guy behind than when he went in to it. I would not call that gaining an advantage.

I agree, Massa did everything by the rules. I even thought one of those was a legitimate move, when it was not so clear if he cut the chicane, but he still gave back his place later in that lap. Maybe he was being cautious and did it to make sure he did not get a penalty.

[darwin dali]

First of all congratulations to Vettel for his big win.

I wonder when would the stewards would declare the penalties of 2 Ferraris both cutting the chicane and taking over at Monza. Probably they won't even 'see' the cuts. Massa did it more than once.

Massa cut the chicane twice and gave back the position twice, before waiting to attack. By the rules as the FIA have clarified. When he cut the chicane in front of the other guy, he came down the straight with what was actually a smaller gap to the guy behind than when he went in to it. I would not call that gaining an advantage.

I agree, Massa did everything by the rules. I even thought one of those was a legitimate move, when it was not so clear if he cut the chicane, but he still gave back his place later in that lap. Maybe he was being cautious and did it to make sure he did not get a penalty.

More likely Ferrari radioed him.

[Denthúl]

First of all congratulations to Vettel for his big win.

I wonder when would the stewards would declare the penalties of 2 Ferraris both cutting the chicane and taking over at Monza. Probably they won't even 'see' the cuts. Massa did it more than once.

Massa cut the chicane twice and gave back the position twice, before waiting to attack. By the rules as the FIA have clarified. When he cut the chicane in front of the other guy, he came down the straight with what was actually a smaller gap to the guy behind than when he went in to it. I would not call that gaining an advantage.

I agree, Massa did everything by the rules. I even thought one of those was a legitimate move, when it was not so clear if he cut the chicane, but he still gave back his place later in that lap. Maybe he was being cautious and did it to make sure he did not get a penalty.

More likely Ferrari radioed him.

According to the ITV team (I think Ted mentioned it) the FIA told Ferrari to tell Massa to give the position back.

[FLAT_OUT]

They may just have time to find out that Hamilton caused an 'avoidable incident/collision' with Webber

Correct. And if I may add, with Alonso too. I think Hamilton just got way too personal with his "intimidating" and overly aggresive move.

[bud]

First of all congratulations to Vettel for his big win.

I wonder when would the stewards would declare the penalties of 2 Ferraris both cutting the chicane and taking over at Monza. Probably they won't even 'see' the cuts. Massa did it more than once.

Massa cut the chicane twice and gave back the position twice, before waiting to attack. By the rules as the FIA have clarified. When he cut the chicane in front of the other guy, he came down the straight with what was actually a smaller gap to the guy behind than when he went in to it. I would not call that gaining an advantage.

I agree, Massa did everything by the rules. I even thought one of those was a legitimate move, when it was not so clear if he cut the chicane, but he still gave back his place later in that lap. Maybe he was being cautious and did it to make sure he did not get a penalty.

More likely Ferrari radioed him.

Lewis was cautious on Kimi giving the place back as well. its funny how its the IN THING right now just because the FIA picked on an un race affecting incident post race
its almost like this is a new thing to motor racing after 100 years and is only dealt with now with pure clarity just takes a McLaren to be bottom reamed but thats all good for everyone else

[przemo]

First of all congratulations to Vettel for his big win.

I wonder when would the stewards would declare the penalties of 2 Ferraris both cutting the chicane and taking over at Monza. Probably they won't even 'see' the cuts. Massa did it more than once.

Massa cut the chicane twice and gave back the position twice, before waiting to attack. By the rules as the FIA have clarified. When he cut the chicane in front of the other guy, he came down the straight with what was actually a smaller gap to the guy behind than when he went in to it. I would not call that gaining an advantage.

I agree, Massa did everything by the rules. I even thought one of those was a legitimate move, when it was not so clear if he cut the chicane, but he still gave back his place later in that lap. Maybe he was being cautious and did it to make sure he did not get a penalty.

More likely Ferrari radioed him.

According to the ITV team (I think Ted mentioned it) the FIA told Ferrari to tell Massa to give the position back.

So, this time FIA managed to get in contact with the team immediately. Or maybe this time it was Race Control that was cautious not to provide another controversy.