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[bud]

maybe it was all a setup by Whiting then...he advised McLaren that the move was fine, and then told the stewards to look into it after the race when there was nothing the team or Lewis could do (i.e. give the place back and avoid the penalty). Obviously I'm exaggerating, but you can never be too careful...

It sounds pretty clear to me. Whiting was asked on more than one occasion whether or not he thought Hamilton's pass on Raikkonen was legitimate. On each occasion, Whiting said the move was perfectly fine. Why, then, after the race did he feel the need to refer this to the stewards? What a snake.

Charlie Reding

[przemo]

So, he should not be asked for an opinion in the future, because the team that does may be very surprised after the race.

[scotty]

Also there's the question of the context of Whiting's "OK"s to McLaren. There's a big difference between:
"hmm, I suppose you're OK"
and
"Yeah, that's OK"
Perhaps the fact that McLaren contacted Whiting twice shows that the original "OK" was not as unequivocal as McLaren hoped it could have been.

A key point which everyone seems to be forgetting!

Incidentally, does anyone know the date of McLaren's appeal hearing?

[7UpJordan]

If Charlie Whiting did give the "ok" as it were, can his decisions be over-ruled by the Stewards? Is the Race Director "higher up" than the 3 head stewards?

[Matkins]

If Charlie Whiting did give the "ok" as it were, can his decisions be over-ruled by the Stewards? Is the Race Director "higher up" than the 3 head stewards?

I imagine he is, beings as the stewards only steward one race, then get sent to an Italian resturant for their fee.

[McLaren Fan]

If Charlie Whiting did give the "ok" as it were, can his decisions be over-ruled by the Stewards? Is the Race Director "higher up" than the 3 head stewards?

I presume the stewards can overrule Whiting, but race control refer incidents to the stewards, so I would like to know exactly how things work between those two. In any case, Whiting has proven himself beyond any doubt that he is a snake:


Hamilton passes Raikkonen going into La Source bend. The McLaren pitwall crew decide to make sure this was within the regulations.

Whiting: Yes, Martin, don't worry Hamilton's pass on Raikkonen was completely legal.

Whitmarsh: Are you certain of this? We are willing to allow Raikkonen retake the lead.

Whiting: Yes, I'm certain. The move was perfectly legal.


The race is over and the podium ceremony is about to take place. The stewards are being spoken to by Whiting.

Whiting: Hey, I've got something you may wish to take a look at.

Stewards: Really?

Whiting: Yes. It's Hamilton's pass on Raikkonen - the one just after he cut the chicane.

Stewards: It will be our pleasure. Thanks.

[bud]

haha i love it McLaren fan
you know what else the stewards Surrender Thatti is the one who had a go at Sebastian Loeb for looking scruffy clearly he is a w***er

[AKR]

haha i love it McLaren fan
you know what else the stewards Surrender Thatti is the one who had a go at Sebastian Loeb for looking scruffy clearly he is a w***er

Who cares, Loeb is an idiot! Good driver like Lewis Hamilton (But not as good looking as Lewis Hamilton) but drives for the wrong team, though Loeb's team is no where as evil as Lewis Hamilton's team and their main men, Ron Dennis and Martin f*ckwhitmarsh, oops I meant Whitmarsh.

[AKR]

oops was supposed to be a private message to Bud..... DELETE........

[FerrariFan63]

People have said in various threads that the stewards are not full time, perhaps don't have much racing experience, and other comments. Before revelations about CW's role in the affair, we had calls for someone like Whiting to make decisions concerning penalties, not part time stewards.

Now we find that Charlie Whiting asked them to look into the driving of Lewis Hamilton. Could it be that the way that the races actually run is that CW more or less makes the decisions, and the stewards more or less do what he suggests. This means that a request to look into LH's driving by CW may normally result in a penalty, as the stewards would be very likely to act on the advice.

If such a system exists (in reality, but not in law), then that would give Whiting considerable powers concerning penalties, but none of the responsibility. If so, then that's a very bad situation for anyone to be put in.

The exact wording of the conversations between McLaren and CW may be very helpful in establishing exactly what sort of advice was given.