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[Mikep99]

doesnt seem so to me, seems just like Massa youre trying to make sense of the incident too look at it from a pro Ferrari slant in order to make the Ferrari points situation seem comfortable for you to believe in!

You say its a racing incident then thats your story why go to the trouble of disambiguating some one elses stupidity?

any racer apart from those going against Lewis see this as a wrong call no matter how deep you look at it

dont worry about me i am comfy in my position on this very comfy

Not trying to make anything comfy its how I see things not only in racing but in my day to day life.
Why don't you answer the questions I posted which are supposedly disambiguating things. Are they just too simple to grasp that they are hazing your BIAS views.

[bud]

youre missing the whole point all together arent you!

now from your questions did you go looking for those questions form a pro Ferrari answer that answer being Lewis deserved the penalty.

you already had your answer, the penalty was not deserved! simple but like i said your pro Ferrari questions are your true colours huh,

[Mikep99]

Ok I see a mod has to once again stepin and ask to get back to the topic at hand and leave your personal insult's to yourself. Frankly this is getting very tiresome for the whole forum.

McLaren has the right to appeal the decision and frankly I hope they win the appeal and the decision is overturned. There are just to many grey area's in the FIA's interpretation's of the rule's.

I am fully on topic mate & I too want the ruling overturned. (but secretly I don't and its all a smoke screen. Wink wink nudge nudge)

Just sick and tired of some of the personal nasty s*** that goes on mate, and what the F**K for. No one is bashing my sister, it's just a sport people.

[Mikep99]

youre missing the whole point all together arent you!

now from your questions did you go looking for those questions form a pro Ferrari answer that answer being Lewis deserved the penalty.

you already had your answer, the penalty was not deserved! simple but like i said your pro Ferrari questions are your true colours huh,

I am not missing anything mate.

Hammy made a mistake & he should not have come out of it smelling like daises. Would he of come out smelling of daises if there was a wall.
If there was a wall I here you say, he would not have tried the move.
So then I say. So he went into that corner like a bat out of hell knowing that if he didn't get the better of Kimi he have an extra ten feet to work with. Is that fair. Is it right, is it racing. The track is there for a purpose, to stay on it.

But I loved the ballsy racing & that alone deserved no penalty & I am sick and tired of all the controversy & the winging McLaren hoards. So pathetic.


Answer this bud truthfully.

If Kimi was in hammys place & he cut the corner and did not get a penalty (which he wouldn't because he drives for Ferrari) would you be saying good move Kimi & deserved win.

We know what you would be saying. Exactly what your saying now.

Ferrari cannot win either way. It's a Mclaren thing it seems.

[bud]

You miss the point Lewis did not make a mistake he purposefully turned left because KIMI SQUEEZED HIM!
HE did not out brake himself
HE did not miss the corner
he was squeezed out fairly by Kimi he took the escape route to avoid collision due to Kimi's driving!!!

You know you always have the IF rolls were reversed story yet i am still waiting for the day that something the FIA does goes in McLarens way at Ferrari expense but anyway
yeah!
because Lewis would repass Kimi under yellows only to crash out on his own raggidy driving so the incident would have NO outcome on the actual race win regardless.

[Mikep99]

You miss the point Lewis did not make a mistake he purposefully turned left because KIMI SQUEEZED HIM!
HE did not out brake himself
HE did not miss the corner

I agree he was in full control & from the vision he could have gone around following Kimi if he wanted. (argue all you want mate )
But we know why he didn't, & good driving he is a smart racer, but should he be rewarded for it ????

Sick of this mate I am out of here

[texasmr2]

Roc I have voiced that opinion on more than one occasion that Lewis could have just braked more and stayed ontrack, Kimi had the racing line and was still ahead of Lewis.

Very tiresome stuff isn't it?

[bud]

You miss the point Lewis did not make a mistake he purposefully turned left because KIMI SQUEEZED HIM!
HE did not out brake himself
HE did not miss the corner

I agree he was in full control & from the vision he could have gone around following Kimi if he wanted. (argue all you want mate )
But we know why he didn't, & good driving he is a smart racer, but should he be rewarded for it ????

Sick of this mate I am out of here

He wasnt rewarded for it he slowed down afterwards and let Kimi back infront youre right this is tiring. and for someone who doesnt think he should have been penalised you have a strong argument for it!

you would be a shitty lawyer mike

Roc I have voiced that opinion on more than one occasion that Lewis could have just braked more and stayed ontrack, Kimi had the racing line and was still ahead of Lewis.

Very tiresome stuff isn't it?

Roc? is Mike a Rocco? hehe
Kimi did not have the racing line he went on the inside to cut Lewis off entering the chicane.

youre right he was still ahead of Lewis but not even by a cars length before he pushed Lewis off track!

and how can you expect him to brake more there? there was not enough time his only options were to hit Kimi or cut the chicane. Even if he slammed on the brakes he would have locked it up in the wet conditions and cut the chicane anyway and most probably taking out Kimi in doing so because he had no control

[McLaren Fan]

Hammy made a mistake & he should not have come out of it smelling like daises. Would he of come out smelling of daises if there was a wall.
If there was a wall I here you say, he would not have tried the move.
So then I say. So he went into that corner like a bat out of hell knowing that if he didn't get the better of Kimi he have an extra ten feet to work with. Is that fair. Is it right, is it racing. The track is there for a purpose, to stay on it.

Hamilton did not make a mistake. The braking performance of the MP4-23 and Hamilton's karting-esque driving style meant Raikkonen was fairly out-braked by Hamilton. I don't believe Hamilton went into the corner feeling he could actually get an advantage out of it if he messed up. Hamilton knew he was quicker in every department than Raikkonen in his dreadful F2008 saw an opportunity and went for it. Raikkonen closed the door fairly and squarely and Hamilton had to take the escape road. Even if Hamilton did decide to brake, it would have been unlikely he would have slowed his car down quick enough and would have been forced to use the run-off area. Most likely, he would have snatched the brakes, locked his wheels and took out Raikkonen and himself. Cue a penalty from the stewards for Hamilton for causing an avoidable collision.

It seems that nobody involved in making the decision to penalise Hamilton or those talking about it has any racing knowledge at all.

If Kimi was in hammys place & he cut the corner and did not get a penalty (which he wouldn't because he drives for Ferrari) would you be saying good move Kimi & deserved win.

We know what you would be saying. Exactly what your saying now.

Ferrari cannot win either way. It's a Mclaren thing it seems.

I can't answer for bud, but as far as I'm concerned, if the situation was identically revered between Hamilton and Raikkonen, I would applaud Raikkonen's move and probably berate Hamilton for surrendering the inside line!

[EwanM]

I can't answer for bud, but as far as I'm concerned, if the situation was identically revered between Hamilton and Raikkonen, I would applaud Raikkonen's move and probably berate Hamilton for surrendering the inside line!

But Hamilton NEVER gets overtaken... especially on the outside

[bud]

I can't answer for bud, but as far as I'm concerned, if the situation was identically revered between Hamilton and Raikkonen, I would applaud Raikkonen's move and probably berate Hamilton for surrendering the inside line!

But Hamilton NEVER gets overtaken... especially on the outside

Hungary aside that is true

[EwanM]

I can't answer for bud, but as far as I'm concerned, if the situation was identically revered between Hamilton and Raikkonen, I would applaud Raikkonen's move and probably berate Hamilton for surrendering the inside line!

But Hamilton NEVER gets overtaken... especially on the outside

Hungary aside that is true

And Spa.
Seriously Hamilton races hard as do other driver, but he shouldn't say that.
Within an hour of saying that on ITV's pre race build up, Kimi was round the outside of him.

Wait a minute... I'm seeing a trend here.
Maybe he should say in an interview he will win the world championship this year

[bud]

Spa was different to Hungary though he spun and Kimi had the speed advantage from going off track.

people get so caught up in what Hamilton says dont they

[EwanM]

Spa was different to Hungary though he spun and Kimi had the speed advantage from going off track.

people get so caught up in what Hamilton says dont they

Yeah, but if it is generally all you get, F1 wise, in the newspapers and in the TV coverage, it's the only thing to talk about.
If it wasn't for the internet...

[bud]

guess in Australia i dont get the same as what you get and have no quams with the guy or what he says does in his personal life.

Im sure some spaniards are the same with over saturation of Fernando Alonso right???