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[7UpJordan]

Write to whoever owns Lotus and get them to revive them too. Infact write to all the defunct teams' former owners.

Including an Irishman who spends most of his days playing wargames in front of the Force India factory. Yes, I think this would be a good idea. Now, where is my quill and parchment?

Seriously, I might just do this, if I can track people like Stoddart, Jordan and others down.

Is that italian shoe guy still in the nick? If we can write to him it would be good to have his "laughable" team back so we can laugh at them when they try and send someone out on wet tyres in blisteringly hot conditions.

For those of you who missed it, here's the "alternate" FIA we came up with a few months back.

http://www.mediafire.com/?bhyvglalhrl

Unfortunately I don't know of who you speak.

That was an ace night, creating that set of rules and regulations.

Oops I should have been a lttle clearer shouldn't have I?

The bloke I was referring to was the one who entered Andrea Moda into F1 in 1992, thinking using Coloni's old chassis would be a short cut in without paying for his 1992 entry fee.

I love going back to look at "our regulations" occasionally for a laugh. But it's so true isn't it?

[No17]

This is the message i am sending to the FIA

FIA


I should point out i am not a McLaren fan, i am a Motorsport fan ( baring NASCAR of course)

How much more do we, as formula one fans, have to tollerate this total BS from the FIA?

It was clear that Lewis was ahead of Raikonen as they entered the bus stop, and that Raikonen touched him and he was forced to vere off,
it was also clear that Lewis lifted off and let Raikonen back passed, conforming with the rules and therefore gaining no advantage.
It was also clear that Lewis could have passed Kimi at any time at any place.

Lewis clearly gained no advantage from missing the chicane as he allowed Kimi to pass him in accordance with the rules, so is it then that Lewis penalised under the apparent ruling that he left the circuit ( to avoid a collison i might add ) and rejoined it, if so, well I seem to recall Massa going off the circuit at the hairpin to avoid Hitting Lewis when spun earlier in the race, why then was Massa not also penalised ? oh yes... of course... he drives a Ferrari... how silly of me not to notice that.

Ex Ferrari world champion Niki Lauda said ' how can the best, fastest, bravest driver in the race end up with only six points' and called it ' a wrong decision'
Nothing is ever done when Ferrari break the rules such as the illegal plank in Australia 2007 points from that race eventually gave Kimi the championship,
Kimi clearly needing to be black flagged at Magny Cours when his exhaust was hanging off ( and eventually flew off and could so easily have hit someone in the crowd or a marshall )
and the pit lane incident in Valencia plus several other infractions, but the FIA never penalist Ferrari unless the championship is already lost and are always quick to penalise McLaren ( Heiki's drive through at Spa.... Heiki's only infraction was driving a McLaren and not a Ferrari ).

Lewis Hamilton won the Spa race fairly and by guts and great driving. If i was Ron Denis i would stick two fingers up to Ferrari and the FIA and pull out for the remainder of the season in protest, give Ferrari the hollow victory they so obviously crave, i doubt anyone would question the decision to do so as i personally would rather not compete at all than compete in a corrupt system of favouritism and cheats. Other than that Ron, go to Monza and put two McLarens on the front row and blow the Ferraris away.

I have been watching F1 since 1973 and attended my First grand Prix at Silverstone in 1976, there have been some horrendous politics in F1 over the years but in my opinion these
last two seasons have been the most blatant pro-Ferrari bullpoo i have ever seen on the part of the FIA. Of course the Tifosi would see this as the right decision but in reality the FIA are killing F1 and surely losing fans as a result, and the entire non-italian speaking world know this.

Shame on you FIA, shame on you.




If you're as pissed off with how the FIA are ruining Formula one then fax them your disaproval ( they keep thier email secret... probably smart thing.. but we can jam up their fax machine! ) and get everyone you know who loves F1 to fax them too, let them know how you feel

Stuart Sampson
Trinidad & Tobago



here is there address

Contact the FIA and Mr Max Mosely ( )


FEDERATION INTERNATIONALE DE L'AUTOMOBILE
8, Place de la Concorde
75008 Paris
France
Telephone: +33 1 43 12 44 55
Facsimile: +33 1 43 12 44 66

[nikon133]

Before the incident, Hamilton was up Raikkonen's gearbox. If anything, Hamilton lost ground to Raikkonen. If this was two homosexual men making love, one would be up the other's backside. It was that close. Get into your heads Ferrari lambs, McLaren and Hamilton haters. There is no way you can justify yesterday's sickening turn of events!

I wasn't trying to say the penalty was correct, more trying to understand how the hell the stewards came upo with their decision. Simple. By the way which one am I. I am not a Ferrari lamb, I am not a Hamilton hater. Guess I am the middle one a McLaren hater.

Well, we can always guess stewards had extra info we are not aware of.

Something that came over the hot line from Max, man-in-the-shadows Todt, good old Luca boy...?

[bud]

This is the message i am sending to the FIA

FIA


I should point out i am not a McLaren fan, i am a Motorsport fan ( baring NASCAR of course)

How much more do we, as formula one fans, have to tollerate this total BS from the FIA?

It was clear that Lewis was ahead of Raikonen as they entered the bus stop, and that Raikonen touched him and he was forced to vere off,
it was also clear that Lewis lifted off and let Raikonen back passed, conforming with the rules and therefore gaining no advantage.
It was also clear that Lewis could have passed Kimi at any time at any place.

Lewis clearly gained no advantage from missing the chicane as he allowed Kimi to pass him in accordance with the rules, so is it then that Lewis penalised under the apparent ruling that he left the circuit ( to avoid a collison i might add ) and rejoined it, if so, well I seem to recall Massa going off the circuit at the hairpin to avoid Hitting Lewis when spun earlier in the race, why then was Massa not also penalised ? oh yes... of course... he drives a Ferrari... how silly of me not to notice that.

Ex Ferrari world champion Niki Lauda said ' how can the best, fastest, bravest driver in the race end up with only six points' and called it ' a wrong decision'
Nothing is ever done when Ferrari break the rules such as the illegal plank in Australia 2007 points from that race eventually gave Kimi the championship,
Kimi clearly needing to be black flagged at Magny Cours when his exhaust was hanging off ( and eventually flew off and could so easily have hit someone in the crowd or a marshall )
and the pit lane incident in Valencia plus several other infractions, but the FIA never penalist Ferrari unless the championship is already lost and are always quick to penalise McLaren ( Heiki's drive through at Spa.... Heiki's only infraction was driving a McLaren and not a Ferrari ).

Lewis Hamilton won the Spa race fairly and by guts and great driving. If i was Ron Denis i would stick two fingers up to Ferrari and the FIA and pull out for the remainder of the season in protest, give Ferrari the hollow victory they so obviously crave, i doubt anyone would question the decision to do so as i personally would rather not compete at all than compete in a corrupt system of favouritism and cheats. Other than that Ron, go to Monza and put two McLarens on the front row and blow the Ferraris away.

I have been watching F1 since 1973 and attended my First grand Prix at Silverstone in 1976, there have been some horrendous politics in F1 over the years but in my opinion these
last two seasons have been the most blatant pro-Ferrari bullpoo i have ever seen on the part of the FIA. Of course the Tifosi would see this as the right decision but in reality the FIA are killing F1 and surely losing fans as a result, and the entire non-italian speaking world know this.

Shame on you FIA, shame on you.




If you're as pissed off with how the FIA are ruining Formula one then fax them your disaproval ( they keep thier email secret... probably smart thing.. but we can jam up their fax machine! ) and get everyone you know who loves F1 to fax them too, let them know how you feel

Stuart Sampson
Trinidad & Tobago



here is there address

Contact the FIA and Mr Max Mosely ( )


FEDERATION INTERNATIONALE DE L'AUTOMOBILE
8, Place de la Concorde
75008 Paris
France
Telephone: +33 1 43 12 44 55
Facsimile: +33 1 43 12 44 66

[Big Azza]

I have a question, probably because of my lack of expirience in following Formula One, but:

Who are these "stewards?"

It could be an easy answer, but I just need to know why they are always referred to as "The Stewards," instead of their individual names? Who are these mysterious X-Men? They could be anyone! Right?

Because, how can "The Stewards" always be looking at HAmilton, and never at Ferrari. "The Stewards" sounds like it could be perhaps 10 or 20 guys collectively.

Why is it that all of the stewards come to a unanymous decision on these? Can't at least one of them disagree?

If the stewards must come to a unanymous decision, then how come did it only take a few minutes for them to decide to "investigate" the Hamilton-Raikkonen Incident? I mean, 20 guys to come to a unanymous decision so quickly is amazing, considering how long a jury for a criminal court can take days to reach a decision?

How does "The Stewards" work? How many of them have to agree before they can request an "investigation?"

[bud]

They change at every race that is the problem! there is no consistency they need Charlie Whiting to be Race Director as well as chief steward.

but the morons who were the stewards at Belgium were

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[Big Azza]

Thanks for the quick reply bud.

You're still online every single time I sign in....

I Googled the answer and came up with the following news article. (Actually Yahoo-ed it)

FIA to overhaul stewards' process

By Jonathan Noble Thursday, January 24th 2008, 12:51 GMT


The FIA is to overhaul the way that Formula One race stewards operate this season in a bid to deal more efficiently with incidents over a Grand Prix weekend, autosport.com has learned.

With permanent race steward Tony-Scott Andrews retiring from his role at the end of last year, having been in that position since the start of 2006, the FIA has used the opportunity to restructure the stewards' organisation for the start of the new season.

Rather than having a permanent steward operating alongside two designated race stewards - one international and one from the national sporting authority - the FIA has decided to now use three nominated stewards at each event.

Furthermore, the three officials who are chosen for each event will be assisted by FIA president Max Mosley's official representative Alan Donnelly - who it is hoped will manage the decision-making process more efficiently than was seen at times last year.

And in a bid to ensure total impartiality of decisions, the appointed FIA stewards at each race will be chosen from nationalities that are totally neutral - so they are not the same as any of F1's competitors.

It is hoped the new system will provide more consistency in rulings and also deal with matters in a swifter way than was seen at times last year.

It is understood that one of the catalysts for the change was the fact that it took the FIA stewards five days after last year's Japanese Grand Prix to rule on whether or not Lewis Hamilton did anything wrong in his driving behind the safety car in Fuji.



Now I'm analysing that article and trying to work out whether this could allow any imput from Max. And I already don't like what I see...

[bud]

Well thats already wrong, as one steward was French same as Bordais!

[Big Azza]

That's what I thought.

But then again, the impartiality doesn't matter. Because they're all developed nations competing in Formula 1. If you put someone from a third world country on the panel, then I'm sure that they wouldn't mind aa nice "pay-rise" from Max of, say, twice my annual salary.

All McLaren needs is a bit of evidence and they can perhaps lanuch a case with the International Court of Sport and Arbitration, and we could see the end of FIA. That may be a bad thing for Formula One, but then we'll just start a new Racing Organisation.

I'd still like to see Team Ferrari in their though.

I stopped caring about Italian Soccer because of the match corruption scandal. Now the Italian Team in formula one could be behind another corruption scandal...

So back to my question before, do all of the race stewards have to be unanymous in their decision to launch an enquiry?

[przemo]

Here's Massa's take on the incident:

"Incidents like this have often been discussed in the official driver briefings when it has been made absolutely clear that anyone cutting a chicane has to fully restore the position and also any other eventual advantage gained," he added. "If Lewis had taken the chicane correctly, he would never have been able to pass Kimi on the very short straight that follows it. That was my immediate opinion after seeing the replay. Maybe if Lewis had waited and tried to pass on the next straight, that would have been a different matter."
linky

He's always looked like a sincere guy, but on the other he benefited from the penalty, so he most probably wouldn't say that the stewards made a mistake.

[bud]

He needs to feel for his own good that his points position is earned doesnt he

[FJuan]

I think the point Massa makes is correct

and also any other eventual advantage gained

this is the part the FIA are applying.

[bud]

I think the point Massa makes is correct

and also any other eventual advantage gained

this is the part the FIA are applying.

Massa is wrong!

any other eventual advantage gained? did you not see Kimi re take the lead only to spin out? ultimately this little incident had NO impact on the race results which is what everyone seems to be forgetting!

[Mikep99]

Here is the extended version of the onboard. (not sure if someone else posted it yet)
Its awesome and just for entertainment value alone should not have been penalized.

Clicky for video

The Ferrari is so skiddish in the wet compared to the Mac.

[juggles]

Here is the extended version of the onboard. (not sure if someone else posted it yet)
Its awesome and just for entertainment value alone should not have been penalized.

Clicky for video

The Ferrari is so skiddish in the wet compared to the Mac.

great watch, I love it when Lewis takes the lead and a few corners on the rain really starts to come down; and then they slow down so much, a bit like that scene in pulp fiction where both Butch and Marcellus Wallace are so injured they're just hobbling after each other. But on the actual overtake after the bus stop, you can't argue that Lewis slowed down, gave him the place back, and then just outbraked Kimi. Also, Massa says Hamilton would never have overtaken Raikkonen on that straight, but he was right next to the Ferrari when he cut the chicane, so who's to say he wouldn't have done exactly the same thing? But even if he hadn't, Lewis clearly found the car's limit better than Raikkonen in the last couple of laps, and so would've undoubtedly beaten him anyway. That's the frustrating thing. Hamilton would've been rewarded for being more conservative, which is surely not the attitude F1 wants to promote. I don't know anymore