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[bud]

minor?? would he run 9.69 without them???

[Denthúl]

What aids did Phelps have?

New slimline swimsuit and the new deep water in Beijing.

What does the water have to do with it? Everybody had the same water. As for the suit, was he the only guy to wear it?

[Dutchcruijff]

Nvm, double post.

[Dutchcruijff]

Oh wow. Bud he would probably run 10 seconds or so without those. So no in your books they aren't a minor contribution. May that be when he broke his WR it was into headwind.

Denthul the question in hand isn't about him beating his athletes it's about the factor's that helped him along the way to smash the WR. Be fair 7 WR's out of thin air. I didn't seen him do that in the World Championships. 8 months later, a new swimsuit and a deep water factor.

[Dutchcruijff]

To be fair now we've gone way off-topic(my part). The question in hand was actually about who was being the bigger star. There's no point in comparing a swimmer to a runner like you said.

[Denthúl]

Thing is, everyone had the deep water. Him being better in deep water counts for nothing in your argument. Otherwise, you could say that Bolt was helped by the fact that he was only running 100 and 200 metre races, rather than 400 metre races.

[Dutchcruijff]

Thing is, everyone had the deep water. Him being better in deep water counts for nothing in your argument. Otherwise, you could say that Bolt was helped by the fact that he was only running 100 and 200 metre races, rather than 400 metre races.

Did Mark Spitz have the deep water in Munich? Did Ian Thorpe have the deep water in Sydney? It was the 2008 Beijing Olympics only. Like I said it's not about his competitor's because I wouldn't have brought the deep water and swimsuit up.

[Rivelution]

Thing is, everyone had the deep water. Him being better in deep water counts for nothing in your argument. Otherwise, you could say that Bolt was helped by the fact that he was only running 100 and 200 metre races, rather than 400 metre races.

Did Mark Spitz have the deep water in Munich? Did Ian Thorpe have the deep water in Sydney? It was the 2008 Beijing Olympics only. Like I said it's not about his competitor's because I wouldn't have brought the deep water and swimsuit up.

Just admit Phelps is the star of the games.

[Denthúl]

Thing is, everyone had the deep water. Him being better in deep water counts for nothing in your argument. Otherwise, you could say that Bolt was helped by the fact that he was only running 100 and 200 metre races, rather than 400 metre races.

Did Mark Spitz have the deep water in Munich? Did Ian Thorpe have the deep water in Sydney? It was the 2008 Beijing Olympics only. Like I said it's not about his competitor's because I wouldn't have brought the deep water and swimsuit up.

No. But then, if you want to get in to things like that, you could also claim that athletes who set records that are now being broken didn't have access to the same high-tech training equipment, superior dietary information nor the kind of data that the current athletes can get about everything they're doing whilst taking part in whatever their sport is. You could also claim that ambient temperatures at varying locations make it easier or harder for the athletes to set fast times and break records. Again, air quality could be thrown in there, or maybe even track surfaces.

Point is, these are all variables and, as such, are always prone to changes when venues are changed every four years.

[Rivelution]

I was trully pissed that both USA's mens and womens 4x100 teams dropped the batons. I will tell you from experience that its real basic to hold on to the baton.

[bud]

Oh wow. Bud he would probably run 10 seconds or so without those. So no in your books they aren't a minor contribution. May that be when he broke his WR it was into headwind.

Denthul the question in hand isn't about him beating his athletes it's about the factor's that helped him along the way to smash the WR. Be fair 7 WR's out of thin air. I didn't seen him do that in the World Championships. 8 months later, a new swimsuit and a deep water factor.

you're dreaming again

[Denthúl]

I was trully pissed that both USA's mens and womens 4x100 teams dropped the batons. I will tell you from experience that its real basic to hold on to the baton.

Yep.

Still, at least you didn't finish in a qualifying position only to get disqualified

[Dutchcruijff]

Thing is, everyone had the deep water. Him being better in deep water counts for nothing in your argument. Otherwise, you could say that Bolt was helped by the fact that he was only running 100 and 200 metre races, rather than 400 metre races.

Did Mark Spitz have the deep water in Munich? Did Ian Thorpe have the deep water in Sydney? It was the 2008 Beijing Olympics only. Like I said it's not about his competitor's because I wouldn't have brought the deep water and swimsuit up.

Just admit Phelps is the star of the games.

It's easy for you to say that because you're American. So you'll have a bias view whether you believe it or not.

Denthul, all Bolt uses is the track and weight's room at the Uni he trains at. He doesn't use any high-technology from what I know. Plus, don't ask me about what he eats. But touche you've put up a good and valid argument.

[bud]

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[Hanwombat]

The Mens 400m relay was amazing today, Jamaica were superb