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[AKR]

French is the offical language of the olympics, and that is fact.

Where did you get that fact from?

But it is ok if they display English for now as I can't speak French and don't intend to learn it either so better English. In Europe, in the major countries who speaks English? In Italy they speak Italian, in France they speak French, in Germany they speak German and in Spain they speak Spanish. Go to anyone of those countries and expect the people to just speak English to you and you'll be in for a big shock Bud.

Quite delusional still I see .

Oh and even in Japan, very few people speak English I have been told with hardly no signs in English.

That is only what you have been told so what makes it true?

Here it says its both http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... _Committee here it also says its both, http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comit%C3%A ... _Olympique Funny that when you read it in English they put English first and when you read it in French they put French first. However this change must be recent because it was always only French. Also French is always used first, then English and then the language of the country the games are held in. If you watched the opening cerimony you would of noticed this.

Delusional me, I doubt it. Go to Europe and expect people to speak English to you (In the mentioned countries anyway) and you'll get nowhere. Even if people can speak English they will pretend they cant. Trust me I know, I am one of them.

And in Japan I know because I know people that live there, simple. Eitherway I don't expect them, the Japanese to speak English or any other language to me unless I politely ask permission first and make an attempt to speak their language first.

[texasmr2]

If you watched the opening cerimony you would of noticed this.

I dont give a rat's arse about the Olympic's because I'm all about racing.

Delusional me, I doubt it. Go to Europe and expect people to speak English to you (In the mentioned countries anyway) and you'll get nowhere. Even if people can speak English they will pretend they cant. Trust me I know, I am one of them.

Uh I have been to Europe so that's why I said your delusional.

[AKR]

Uh I have been to Europe so that's why I said your delusional.

Where have you been? To tourist areas where people will speak to you in English because they want your money perhaps. Or maybe to Eastern European countries where people are stupidly slowly killing there own tongues instead of doing what the Italians, Spanish, French and Germans do and push there languages forward. In Slovenija where I am originally from, many speak English, maybe more than in a bigger country like Italy. But you know I think their logic on the matter is crap and thus one of many reason why I prefer to be Italian than Slovenian.

[texasmr2]

Uh I have been to Europe so that's why I said your delusional.

Where have you been? To tourist areas where people will speak to you in English because they want your money perhaps.

Try not to be so condescending and hollier than thou just because you live on a continent that offer's more access to different culture's and language's than where I live. Honestly your arrogance is rediculous.

Brussel's and Amsterdam (yah touristy) but I asked new friend's to speak their native tongue so I could learn and appreciate there culture. Also to the nether region's of far east Russia, Sakhalin Island. They still had statue's of Stalin in the main square but finding someone who spoke english was not difficult.

Or maybe to Eastern European countries where people are stupidly slowly killing there own tongues instead of doing what the Italians, Spanish, French and Germans do and push there languages forward.

Once again only your personal opinion.

In Slovenija where I am originally from, many speak English, maybe more than in a bigger country like Italy. But you know I think their logic on the matter is crap and thus one of many reason why I prefer to be Italian than Slovenian.

Well actually if you were born in Slovenia your not nor will you ever be Italian. I aswell as alot/most of american's have english or irish ancestry but you dont see me saying I'm english or irish because of it right? Find a side and stick to it for once ok because at the moment your just another typical 'mutt'.

[McLaren Fan]

English is currently the international language of the world. I appreciate your passion, AKR, but that's the way it is. Having one language is necessary in the modern world for various reasons, ranging from business to transport. I'll give you an example. In aviation, the international language is English. At any decent-sized airport in most countries in the world all instructions are given to pilots from the control towers are given in English. This means that everybody is on the same page and understands what is happening around them, situational awareness you call it. In France, however, the French insist on speaking French to their own pilots and use English to pilots who are not French or don't know the language. As a result of this, many pilots, particularly those who aren't competent in French (and even those who do know French are in trouble, for in aviation, instructions can be given very quickly, in abbreviated form, and over a radio), don't have a sufficient understanding of where other aircraft are in relation to them and what they are planning to do. Sadly, as a result of the arrogance of the French, many pilots, passengers and other people have been injured or lost their lives in collisions both in the air and on the ground, all of which could have been avoided. I'm disappointed that people in the British Isles can't be arsed to learn foreign languages and I believe that a language is a key component of a national identity, but AKR's constant assault on English is unfair, misinformed and somewhat blinkered. The biggest irony of all is that she posts on an English-"speaking" forum, on which many people from around the world whose first language is not English actually communicate, AKR being one of them. Proof if you need of English's global usage.

[AKR]

Well actually if you were born in Slovenia your not nor will you ever be Italian. I aswell as alot/most of american's have english or irish ancestry but you dont see me saying I'm english or irish because of it right? Find a side and stick to it for once ok because at the moment your just another typical 'mutt'.

Tex I appreciate your opinion as we are all entitled to our own. But your pushing it there. Don't go there because I can get real nasty. I came to Italy when I was 1. I grew up there and know their culture and language. That country gave me my upbringing and oppurtunties. I feel a sense of belonging there. It is easy to answer which side I belong to. But my bloodline, origins and hertiage are equally as important and are from a neighbouring country. You cannot ever understand this. However I do not expect you to so it is ok Tex.

[AKR]

English is currently the international language of the world. I appreciate your passion, AKR, but that's the way it is. Having one language is necessary in the modern world for various reasons, ranging from business to transport. I'll give you an example. In aviation, the international language is English. At any decent-sized airport in most countries in the world all instructions are given to pilots from the control towers are given in English. This means that everybody is on the same page and understands what is happening around them, situational awareness you call it. In France, however, the French insist on speaking French to their own pilots and use English to pilots who are not French or don't know the language. As a result of this, many pilots, particularly those who aren't competent in French (and even those who do know French are in trouble, for in aviation, instructions can be given very quickly, in abbreviated form, and over a radio), don't have a sufficient understanding of where other aircraft are in relation to them and what they are planning to do. Sadly, as a result of the arrogance of the French, many pilots, passengers and other people have been injured or lost their lives in collisions both in the air and on the ground, all of which could have been avoided. I'm disappointed that people in the British Isles can't be arsed to learn foreign languages and I believe that a language is a key component of a national identity, but AKR's constant assault on English is unfair, misinformed and somewhat blinkered. The biggest irony of all is that she posts on an English-"speaking" forum, on which many people from around the world whose first language is not English actually communicate, AKR being one of them. Proof if you need of English's global usage.

I choose to learn and speak English because like Spanish I like it. I didn't choose it because I agree it is the so called global language. Yes you are right about aviation but where else does it state that it is the offical global language? The closest we can look at is the UN, but that has 6 offical languages in which are English, Spanish, French, Arabic, Russian and Mandarin. This idea of a world language is great for the reason you have said, I agree, but it cannot be English or any other language that forces the culture and identiy of another nation upon someone else. For centuries this has been one of the causes of war. The only solution is pick a nutural language. This would be Esperanto. The problem with that is that Westren countries mainily ones like English speaking countries, Spanish Speaking, Italian speaking, French and German as well insist to speak their own so it has no chance. But it is the only fair way. You see me here type in English, it is quite good. Infact it is very fluent. I am proud of this but my accent is heavy. Mixed with Slavic and Italian. It is unfair that I struggle to speak correctly and those like yourself do not. You have an advantage and this is wrong. If you choose say Spanish it would be unfair for you and fair for me as then I wouldn't have the funny accent but you would. The only true solution would be an artificial language which is neutral for all. Esperanto isn't the best one but the most successful so I would choose that. But what appears to be happening is that English is being forced upon all, like in aviation and I can understand why the French wont accept. Who gives anyone the right to force them what to speak in their own country. This is why they appear so arrogant. This is why I myself appear to be like the French. You cannot force something upon someone or peoples against their own wills. Anyway enough said. I don't think we can ever agree on this but that is what will always be the problem. I do not stand alone. Maybe on this forum I do as most of you are English first language speakers but the reality is that as long as there is no agreement from the whole world, there will never be a global/international offical language.

[bud]

English is the official unofficial global language!

[AKR]

English is the official unofficial global language!

I guess we are going to have to learn to agree to disagree then.

[bud]

English is the official unofficial global language!

I guess we are going to have to learn to agree to disagree then.

yes but we will do so through communication of the English language

[AKR]

English is the official unofficial global language!

I guess we are going to have to learn to agree to disagree then.

yes but we will do so through communication of the English language

In my case that is by choice, not because someone said that I have to speak it or forced it upon me.

[AKR]

Spanish is a tourist language of no significance.

Tourist language I don't think so. Check this out.

From this site.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_offi ... l_language

What are official language of the world Is there any organization that regconize English as a global language?
In: Non-English Languages and Cultures

[Edit]
Since no organization can claim to represent the whole world, there is no "official" language for the world. The closest such organization would be the United Nations, which uses six official languages: English, Spanish, Chinese, Arabic, French, and Russian.

The use of languages by international organizations is usually related to the number of speakers rather than any "official" status. This is why, for example, English and Spanish have become defacto global standards.

English is clearly a global language, but this is merely a measure of its widespread use, not of any official recognition.

I prefer Spanish simply because it is similar to my naitive Italian and I don't speak with a screwed up accent as with my English. Although I would say that my accent when speaking English is kind of cute. Overall however contrary to what may appear I hold no grudge towards English nor do I favour Spanish more as a global language as I do not believe in the "Forceful" attempt on others for a particular or given natural language. I only support articfial languages for this purpose. Ie Esperanto, Ido, Interglossa etc. Until this happens, then I am happy to learn a dozen languages to get around from place to place.

[bud]

AKR you seem to miss the point, no matter what is written its the power that the English Language holds in the world market place that makes it the gobal language, you dont need some officialdom to verify this. its big business plain and simple and you can thank the United States of America for the power English language holds in world affairs.

[AKR]

AKR you seem to miss the point, no matter what is written its the power that the English Language holds in the world market place that makes it the gobal language, you dont need some officialdom to verify this. its big business plain and simple and you can thank the United States of America for the power English language holds in world affairs.

I am quite aware that it is all because of the USA that English holds its status. Dare I say it but by 2050 say, if China becomes the world power then Mandarin could be the language that holds the status of English right now. Another reason why we should except Esperanto now. If we all agreed to this now then no matter who is the world power then Esperanto will prevail. Otherwise our gran kids maybe having to learn Chinese.

[texasmr2]

Tex I appreciate your opinion as we are all entitled to our own. But your pushing it there. Don't go there because I can get real nasty.

Sorry for the late reply but is that a threat or what I percieve as your hollier than thou european ego talking or both? I hope you have noticed that I did not resort to 'threat's' via 'innuendo's' but I can guarentee you I can get ALOT nastier so I'm imposing a '2 night's in DD's Dungeon' penalty on you but dont worry spanking will be involved!!

I came to Italy when I was 1. I grew up there and know their culture and language. That country gave me my upbringing and oppurtunties. I feel a sense of belonging there. It is easy to answer which side I belong to. But my bloodline, origins and hertiage are equally as important and are from a neighbouring country.

I totally respect that .

You cannot ever understand this. However I do not expect you to so it is ok Tex.

Apparently you have either misjudged me or we have just misunderstood each other. Please tell me WHY I cannot ever unstand this, is it because I'm american, is it because you percieve all american's as a dumb redneck's or what?