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#60787
This article by Mark hughes was in autosport last week and I thought it was interesting. Its about the dynamics between Alonso and lewis last year and what hapened at hungary. Its now on autosport.com so ive posted it. Sorry its long but like most of his articls it is a good read.



"How The Heart Approaches What It Yearns is the title of an old Paul Simon song, about how we sometimes unconsciously act in a way that directs us to where we really want to go, even if we don't consciously know where that is.

Last year in Hungary, as he ignored team instructions during qualifying, Lewis Hamilton's heart approached what it yearned - to be 'number one' at McLaren. Twelve months on, and Heikki Kovalainen was confirmed as Lewis's team-mate for another year. It's hard not to think that Hamilton's yearning has been satisfied. Here he was, leader of the world championship, clearly the main focus of the team, with a team-mate he likes but can usually beat, being confirmed and thereby keeping Lewis well within his comfort zone.

Last year's line-up of Hamilton and Fernando Alonso was just too much. Too much competitive intensity in too small a space. Too closely matched a driver pairing. Too much of the paranoia that arises when those circumstances are combined with a potentially title-winning car. See also Senna/Prost McLaren 1988-89, except that last year it all conspired with an extra outside force that was tearing the team apart - that of Stepneygate. Something had to give. Lewis, whether he was aware of it or not, effectively gave the team the 'it's him or me' ultimatum. And that moment came in Budapest.

Hamilton hiding in the stewards room

Last year McLaren's meticulous method of equalising opportunities for their drivers in qualifying meant a highly intricate choreography between them in the old fuel burn part of the session. By ignoring the pre-planned sequence, Hamilton stole himself a weight advantage that unfairly increased his chances of taking pole from Alonso.

Because a) he was fighting Alonso for the world championship and judged that team instructions were less important to him than that and b) maybe he wanted at some level to create a problem that required the team to make a choice.

The furious Fernando retaliated to the stunt by blocking Hamilton's pit, preventing him doing a final flying lap. As a result Alonso took pole. The FIA stewards later got involved and penalised Alonso's blocking tactics with a grid penalty, putting Hamilton on pole.

As Hamilton got out of the car post-qualifying, out of the pressure cooker of the cockpit where his heart had automatically approached what it yearned, he felt embarrassed, filled with dread about facing Ron Dennis. In fact, for a time he even hid! Tony Scott-Andrews, then the FIA's chief steward, was surprised to find a chastened Hamilton hiding out in the stewards' room, delaying his return to the motorhome after the qualifying press conference.

Back in the real world there was protocol to be observed, social mores, a layer of civilisation required to hide such naked ambition. In the car he'd just not been able to help himself; there was an advantage there to be gained, there was a situation that needed resolving. He did both in one move and team instructions be damned.

McLaren could quite understand Alonso's angry response. He wasn't the guy in the doghouse. Lewis was. So maybe Alonso's heart then approached what it yearned. That's a possible explanation for what he reportedly did next - used the contents of his laptop to try to take advantage of McLaren's ongoing trouble with Stepneygate to secure the position of team leader.

It was a move that backfired massively, of course. No longer was Hamilton's qualifying insurrection such a big deal; Alonso had just committed a heinous crime in McLaren's eyes. There were factions in the team that wanted him hauled out of the car there and then and only Dennis's calmer counsel prevailed in keeping him in until the end of the season. Hamilton's actions had inadvertently triggered exactly what he wanted.

Heikki drives the perfect team race

Alonso is still scarred by the whole thing - at least if his pre-weekend comments are any guide. "If I was racing for McLaren now," he said, with the re-signed Kovalainen sitting next to him, "maybe I would be in the same position as now without the possibility to win. So at least I am happy to be at Renault with the full support of the team."

With the possible exception of Brazil last year - where Alonso was curiously slow all weekend - there was nothing to suggest the two drivers had significantly different equipment. Yet both, at different points during the season, felt they were being disadvantaged by the team - almost certainly without justification. But that's the paranoia that goes hand-in-glove with something so intense.

Kovalainen is uncannily even-keeled for a top class racing driver and fits right in. He drove the perfect team race on Sunday in that he was there to pick up the pieces when it went wrong for Hamilton, scoring his first victory in the process. But make no mistake, this is Hamilton's team now, moulded around him like a glove.

But Kovalainen, for all his equanimity, is an ambitious, determined character. As he said: "I hope to be here for many years to come." With the first win now under his belt, he's going to be looking soon for more. Not in the same way as Alonso, but in his own smiley, Heikki way. At some level, his heart will be approaching what it yearns."
#60791
So that confirms what everyone has been saying about Hamilton!

At the end nothing bad whould have happened and Alonso wouldn't have been pushed to do what he did if it were not for Hamilton's selfish and stupid actions.

So if in couple of years, Heikki becomes interested in actually "winning" WDC's, is Hamilton going to pull a trick on him? Is Heikki going to portrayed as the evil one because no one messes with Ron's protege?

Alonso acted in a very selfish way. But the blame goes directly on Hamilton since he instigated the whole thing. According to the article he pushed the team to take sides. Therefore, he doesn't believe in equality. He wanted McLaren to chose a #1 driver and isn't that against there system. So he is a low character who at the end was the only one to betray his team and teammate. Alonso didn't put him in an uncomfortable situation and didn't push the team to take sides.

Well, I liked Hamilton's driving in the past couple races and I was starting to respect him but after reading this, I don't think I'll ever care about him. It's a shame that Ron Dennis allowed Hamilton's behaviour and didn't do anything about it. It's a shame for him to say we are racing Alonso and not Kimi. He fell in the trap that Hamilton has planned for him. It's sad the situation at McLaren.

Let the bashing begin folks....
#60793
So that confirms what everyone has been saying about Hamilton!

At the end nothing bad whould have happened and Alonso wouldn't have been pushed to do what he did if it were not for Hamilton's selfish and stupid actions.

So if in couple of years, Heikki becomes interested in actually "winning" WDC's, is Hamilton going to pull a trick on him? Is Heikki going to portrayed as the evil one because no one messes with Ron's protege?

Alonso acted in a very selfish way. But the blame goes directly on Hamilton since he instigated the whole thing. According to the article he pushed the team to take sides. Therefore, he doesn't believe in equality. He wanted McLaren to chose a #1 driver and isn't that against there system. So he is a low character who at the end was the only one to betray his team and teammate. Alonso didn't put him in an uncomfortable situation and didn't push the team to take sides.

Well, I liked Hamilton's driving in the past couple races and I was starting to respect him but after reading this, I don't think I'll ever care about him. It's a shame that Ron Dennis allowed Hamilton's behaviour and didn't do anything about it. It's a shame for him to say we are racing Alonso and not Kimi. He fell in the trap that Hamilton has planned for him. It's sad the situation at McLaren.

Let the bashing begin folks....


Your playing with fire mate, racechick will be after you, no one bad mouths the Hammeroide on her shift.

Get the gear out :wink:

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#60797
So that confirms what everyone has been saying about Hamilton!

At the end nothing bad whould have happened and Alonso wouldn't have been pushed to do what he did if it were not for Hamilton's selfish and stupid actions.

So if in couple of years, Heikki becomes interested in actually "winning" WDC's, is Hamilton going to pull a trick on him? Is Heikki going to portrayed as the evil one because no one messes with Ron's protege?

Alonso acted in a very selfish way. But the blame goes directly on Hamilton since he instigated the whole thing. According to the article he pushed the team to take sides. Therefore, he doesn't believe in equality. He wanted McLaren to chose a #1 driver and isn't that against there system. So he is a low character who at the end was the only one to betray his team and teammate. Alonso didn't put him in an uncomfortable situation and didn't push the team to take sides.

Well, I liked Hamilton's driving in the past couple races and I was starting to respect him but after reading this, I don't think I'll ever care about him. It's a shame that Ron Dennis allowed Hamilton's behaviour and didn't do anything about it. It's a shame for him to say we are racing Alonso and not Kimi. He fell in the trap that Hamilton has planned for him. It's sad the situation at McLaren.

Let the bashing begin folks....


Your playing with fire mate, racechick will be after you, no one bad mouths the Hammeroide on her shift.

Get the gear out :wink:

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I can care less what the Hamilton Lambs are going to say :rofl:

I definitely have lost respect for McLaren and I'm leaning towards BMW. What the heck I'll even support Ferrari. After all they do what they want and they don't hide it.

But this article reflects Hamilton's personality. If he had acted in the "best interest of the team" none of this would have happened.
Didn't he say that he was trying to make Alonso feel at home. Well, good job Hamilton! You disobey your team's order, piss off your teamate and claim you have nothing to do with it! :rolleyes:
#60804
So that confirms what everyone has been saying about Hamilton!

At the end nothing bad whould have happened and Alonso wouldn't have been pushed to do what he did if it were not for Hamilton's selfish and stupid actions.

So if in couple of years, Heikki becomes interested in actually "winning" WDC's, is Hamilton going to pull a trick on him? Is Heikki going to portrayed as the evil one because no one messes with Ron's protege?

Alonso acted in a very selfish way. But the blame goes directly on Hamilton since he instigated the whole thing. According to the article he pushed the team to take sides. Therefore, he doesn't believe in equality. He wanted McLaren to chose a #1 driver and isn't that against there system. So he is a low character who at the end was the only one to betray his team and teammate. Alonso didn't put him in an uncomfortable situation and didn't push the team to take sides.

Well, I liked Hamilton's driving in the past couple races and I was starting to respect him but after reading this, I don't think I'll ever care about him. It's a shame that Ron Dennis allowed Hamilton's behaviour and didn't do anything about it. It's a shame for him to say we are racing Alonso and not Kimi. He fell in the trap that Hamilton has planned for him. It's sad the situation at McLaren.

Let the bashing begin folks....


You're called factman and yet only in the light of this article do you become aware of the facts of hungary 2007 ???? You need a new name. I know "In the darkman" :hehe::hehe:
The facts were clear to all a year ago. The reason i posted the article was because of Hughes insight and interpretation of the facts. No new facts there Inthedarkman :rolleyes:
#60824
So that confirms what everyone has been saying about Hamilton!

Confirms what exactly? All of this information has been known since August 2007. What we have is Hughes interpretation of what went on.

So if in couple of years, Heikki becomes interested in actually "winning" WDC's, is Hamilton going to pull a trick on him? Is Heikki going to portrayed as the evil one because no one messes with Ron's protege?

How do you know that Kovalainen doesn't want to be world champion? Have you spoken to find out this information? As a result of this supposition, the corollary of this statement has no foundation whatsoever.

Alonso acted in a very selfish way. But the blame goes directly on Hamilton since he instigated the whole thing. According to the article he pushed the team to take sides. Therefore, he doesn't believe in equality. He wanted McLaren to chose a #1 driver and isn't that against there system. So he is a low character who at the end was the only one to betray his team and teammate. Alonso didn't put him in an uncomfortable situation and didn't push the team to take sides.

I'm afraid I've some issues accepting this. First, because you are merely rehashing a journalist's interpretation of the matter, and, second the historical events don't add up: there was a lot of shenanigans going on long before the Hungarian Grand Prix last season at McLaren.

It's a shame that Ron Dennis allowed Hamilton's behaviour and didn't do anything about it...

Once again, how do you know this? You've also missed out on a particular news story or two from the aftermath of the 2007 Hungarian Grand Prix which would suggest your imagined version of events are incorrect.

I definitely have lost respect for McLaren and I'm leaning towards BMW. What the heck I'll even support Ferrari. After all they do what they want and they don't hide it.

Oh well. I don't think anybody associated with McLaren will be losing any sleep over your change of views.
#60828
A good sound assessment I think this article is RC.
The fact is that all people of world champion standard are driven by ambition which may cause problems. From this article it is clear that LH underestimated the consequences of his actions, the fact that he hid in fear of Ron indicates that dubious tactics do not really come naturally to him. His enthusiasm and lack of experience got the better of him. If this is the worst thing that LH ever does, then that's fine by me, and does not even come close to the kind of stunts that Michael Schumacher pulled all through his career.
I think that LH is a good loyal team member, albeit very ambitious, which is what you have to be to win a championship of any kind. I also think that McL have a good driver team now with LH and HK although they do lack experience and this must be a downside for McL, overall I believe that these 2 drivers will make up for that, especially in years to come. A co-operative partnership will be far more productive than an uncooperative one.
#60857
The sad thing about the Hamilton Lambs is that they can't read between the lines because they are blinded by his grace :hehe:

Bud my dear, you wrote the following:
Factman you only post on this forum to Hamilton bash. i hope it makes you feel warm and fuzzy in side and gives you a reason for living.

Now, an intelligent person :banghead: would have realized that this is not true. The last time I said anything negative about Hamilton was a while back. I've been posting articles that have nothing to do with him. Someone started a thread about Hami breaking under pressure and I didn't participate in it because I guess that your god Hami drove 2 excellent races :clap: and he proved his skills when he forgets about the media and does his job. Unfortunately, you can't seem to see that and you are forgiven. But from this day on there will be a lot of Hami bashing, so get used to it.

As for you racechick, you wrote:
You're called factman and yet only in the light of this article do you become aware of the facts of hungary 2007 ???? You need a new name. I know "In the darkman"
The facts were clear to all a year ago. The reason i posted the article was because of Hughes insight and interpretation of the facts. No new facts there Inthedarkman

Now again, you miss the point because of your limited perception due to all the glare that emanates from your god Hami.
I know these facts from last year. There was nothing new in this article. But here is the interesting part. I hope you can follow me, be patient my dear. The point I was trying to make is that since you posted this article and somehow you agreed with the interpretation of the incidents at Hungary 2007, proves that all your defending of Hami is wrong. The whole time you've been blaming Alonso for all the troubles when this article with which you apparently agree proves that Hami was at fault yet I haven't heard you once put the blame on Hami.
Facts are starting to surface about what really happened last year within McLaren. And I'm starting to believe that Alonso was somehow set up. This article proves it because Hami wanted to be #1 and Ron doesn't like that, so this Hami concocted this incident to push Ron and Mclaren to support him. Let me tell you something in here, he will do it again with Heikki.
I would rather support Alonso rather than Hami. Alonso says what is on his mind and acts on it while Hami says one thing (I'm trying to make him feel at home) and stabb him in the back by setting him up against the team. That's your low life right there.

McLaren Fan, here we go again. You wrote:
How do you know that Kovalainen doesn't want to be world champion? Have you spoken to find out this information? As a result of this supposition, the corollary of this statement has no foundation whatsoever.

If you read my post you would have noticed that I said "if". Now how do I know all these facts. Well, isn't obvious, I AM FACT MAN :rofl: No seriously, I know it all. Just like how Hami can't be wrong and he is the best and he is above everyone else. I claim that I know it all. Where is the problem? :hehe: I know what Ron was thinking last year and what he told Alonso and Hami.

Anyway, to all of you Hami's Lambs you have done a good job at blindly defending him. Well good for you and I hope you will enjoy his victories which I hope will be few. :yes:
As for me, I would say go BMW, go Ferrari, go Renault....go Force India. I'm out of this mess that is called McLaren. :thumbdown:
Your opinions on these events have been criticized by the majority of the members on this forum and that alone proves my point.
I don't care who wins this year but as long as it is not McLaren and Hamilton. I would love to see BMW and even Massa whom I used to detest, I would like to see him pick up the WDC. Anyone but HAMI.

Do what you to do, I'm done with you guys :wavey:
#60864
Well, I should point out that I'm not disciple of Hamilton, and, as I said earlier, anybody associated with McLaren will not be too disappointed with your vitriolic views on the team.
#60880
The sad thing about the Hamilton Lambs is that they can't read between the lines because they are blinded by his grace :hehe:

Bud my dear, you wrote the following:
Factman you only post on this forum to Hamilton bash. i hope it makes you feel warm and fuzzy in side and gives you a reason for living.

Now, an intelligent person :banghead: would have realized that this is not true. The last time I said anything negative about Hamilton was a while back. I've been posting articles that have nothing to do with him. Someone started a thread about Hami breaking under pressure and I didn't participate in it because I guess that your god Hami drove 2 excellent races :clap: and he proved his skills when he forgets about the media and does his job. Unfortunately, you can't seem to see that and you are forgiven. But from this day on there will be a lot of Hami bashing, so get used to it.

As for you racechick, you wrote:
You're called factman and yet only in the light of this article do you become aware of the facts of hungary 2007 ???? You need a new name. I know "In the darkman"
The facts were clear to all a year ago. The reason i posted the article was because of Hughes insight and interpretation of the facts. No new facts there Inthedarkman

Now again, you miss the point because of your limited perception due to all the glare that emanates from your god Hami.
I know these facts from last year. There was nothing new in this article. But here is the interesting part. I hope you can follow me, be patient my dear. The point I was trying to make is that since you posted this article and somehow you agreed with the interpretation of the incidents at Hungary 2007, proves that all your defending of Hami is wrong. The whole time you've been blaming Alonso for all the troubles when this article with which you apparently agree proves that Hami was at fault yet I haven't heard you once put the blame on Hami.
Facts are starting to surface about what really happened last year within McLaren. And I'm starting to believe that Alonso was somehow set up. This article proves it because Hami wanted to be #1 and Ron doesn't like that, so this Hami concocted this incident to push Ron and Mclaren to support him. Let me tell you something in here, he will do it again with Heikki.
I would rather support Alonso rather than Hami. Alonso says what is on his mind and acts on it while Hami says one thing (I'm trying to make him feel at home) and stabb him in the back by setting him up against the team. That's your low life right there.

McLaren Fan, here we go again. You wrote:
How do you know that Kovalainen doesn't want to be world champion? Have you spoken to find out this information? As a result of this supposition, the corollary of this statement has no foundation whatsoever.

If you read my post you would have noticed that I said "if". Now how do I know all these facts. Well, isn't obvious, I AM FACT MAN :rofl: No seriously, I know it all. Just like how Hami can't be wrong and he is the best and he is above everyone else. I claim that I know it all. Where is the problem? :hehe: I know what Ron was thinking last year and what he told Alonso and Hami.

Anyway, to all of you Hami's Lambs you have done a good job at blindly defending him. Well good for you and I hope you will enjoy his victories which I hope will be few. :yes:
As for me, I would say go BMW, go Ferrari, go Renault....go Force India. I'm out of this mess that is called McLaren. :thumbdown:
Your opinions on these events have been criticized by the majority of the members on this forum and that alone proves my point.
I don't care who wins this year but as long as it is not McLaren and Hamilton. I would love to see BMW and even Massa whom I used to detest, I would like to see him pick up the WDC. Anyone but HAMI.

Do what you to do, I'm done with you guys :wavey:


:rofl::rofl::rofl: Well 'In the dark Man', you've lived up to your new name! What a lot of disconnected, contradictory codswallop!

"and somehow you agreed with the interpretation of the incidents at Hungary 2007"- I may or may not agree with Hughes interpretation I dont remember passing comment, just said it was an interesting read.

"The whole time you've been blaming Alonso for all the troubles when this article with which you apparently agree proves that Hami was at fault yet I haven't heard you once put the blame on Hami." - I just posted the article. The article laid blame at the feet of both men.


"Facts are starting to surface about what really happened last year within McLaren." Nope. They've been around for a year.

"And I'm starting to believe that Alonso was somehow set up. This article proves it" It does? :eek::eek::eek:

" Your opinions on these events have been criticized by the majority of the members on this forum" . No they havent " and that alone proves my point" Which point would that be?

" even Massa whom I used to detest, I would like to see him pick up the WDC." You're very fickle with your support then?
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
#60883
Hughes makes some interesting points - however the main difference with McLaren's current setup is that it doesn't look like Kovalainen can match Hamilton like Hamilton matched Alonso. As for Hungary last year, well, i bet talking about it now would be simply flogging a very dead horse on here!
#60884
Hughes makes some interesting points - however the main difference with McLaren's current setup is that it doesn't look like Kovalainen can match Hamilton like Hamilton matched Alonso. As for Hungary last year, well, i bet talking about it now would be simply flogging a very dead horse on here!

Yes, agreed. Its history now. But the take on it was interesting to read. Im sure the difference in speed accounts in some part for the more harmonious atmosphere at McLaren but I dont think its just that. Its personalities as well and if Kovi did get up to Lewis' speed I reckon theyd remain respectful of each other and friends.

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