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[bmwpower]

What about Freedom of speech??

This is a privacy case, the act was done in privacy. The person with the camara had one purpose (maybe two) and that is either to embarrase Mr. Mosley and definetly to make money buy selling the photos to the tabliod. Imagine if I sneaked into your house and filmed you having umpalumpa with your husband or whatever that you do in your private life, sale the photos to the tabliod knowing that 1. I will make money 2. no doubt it will embarrase you. Stil consider that freedom of speech??

[racechick]

What about Freedom of speech??

This is a privacy case, the act was done in privacy. The person with the camara had one purpose (maybe two) and that is either to embarrase Mr. Mosley and definetly to make money buy selling the photos to the tabliod. Imagine if I sneaked into your house and filmed you having umpalumpa with your husband or whatever that you do in your private life, sale the photos to the tabliod knowing that 1. I will make money 2. no doubt it will embarrase you. Stil consider that freedom of speech??

Im not in a position of power. Nobody would be interested in my umpalumpa life. Mr. Mosely is in a position of power and his umpalumpa life has implications on his integrity, honesty and ability to do his job. He was also most certainly not with his wife or in his house. Surely it is in the interests of the people who have to deal with him to know what they are dealing with? Remember the Profumo affair??

[headless]

I always thought it was an invasion of his privacy.
Someone following him
So I guess he had the right to challenge it.

[welshie]

Although it's not my idea of fun, it is his private life that has been wrongly invaded. His private life (or that element) wouldn't effect his ability to run the FIA, but maybe thats because he has no ability in the first place! However now he has won the case I do believe it would be proper for him to step down as president.

[AMCpacer]

Face it.. Max did not win.. $120.000.. He spent more on his lawyers.. That's chump change for these people.. and the British tabloid News press that has to paid him, will make 100 time that just righting about how they are sorry for what they did or maybe even challenge the judges ruling.. Max came out the big loser on this.. since no punitive damages were awarded, He came out looking like a little whore that sold his story to the world for pocket change.. Id bet max life style takes over 5 million a year.. He got a 1 week wages for all that..

[bmwpower]

Im not in a position of power. Nobody would be interested in my umpalumpa life. Mr. Mosely is in a position of power and his umpalumpa life has implications on his integrity, honesty and ability to do his job. He was also most certainly not with his wife or in his house. Surely it is in the interests of the people who have to deal with him to know what they are dealing with? Remember the Profumo affair??
racechick

Profuma Affair is a political affair, he was a Secretary of War for the United Kingdom, a highly respected GOVERMENT official in the Macmillen government. Max Mosley is head of the FIA, a governing body that governs itself for MOTORSPORTS. Profuma is a public servant, Max works for a private company. Max is protected by the privacy law because he is a private citizen, it is in no one's interest (as ruled by the judge) to invade his privacy.

[quote]Surely it is in the interests of the people who have to deal with him to know what they are dealing with? [/quote
Yes you are correct, that's why he had a closed door meeting with the FIA to answer for his actions. Just because we watch F1 doesn't give us the right to know his private life, just because we eat at McDonald's doesn't give us the right to know what the CEO does in his bed, just because we use Microsoft doesn't give us a right to know what Bill Gate does in bed. The point is, if this was a "freedom of speech" case, the tabliod would have won.

[bud]

Max is a high p[rofile public person no matter which way you look at it! He is president of a world wide Federation that not only deals with Motorsports but also road automobile clubs! A person who represents such a vast group of orginzations and sporting bodies as its head and lead person should not put him/herself in oppertunities of this kind of affair happening! like the NOTW editor said over 40 years of this going on he put alot of trust in the whores he was screwing around on!

Max cant seem to see that he himself is in the wrong here. firstly for actively cheating on his wife secondly once the affair went public he put himself ahead of his position!

Max is nothing but a selfish dirty disrespectul old man and he is a great figure of how not to behave for any respectful bloke!

[8-ball]

Max is a public figure but that doesn't mean that we have a right to intrude in his sick private life. He should resign because he will not be able to perform the job as FIA president. Middle eastern countries will not want him at any public meetings and that goes for the Americans and Germans. He has no respect left to lecture anyone on any issue and especially on moral ones. However if he is true to his word he will resign next year but somehow i doubt it

[bud]

What so it's not ok for max but it's ok for rock or movie stars? This shot goes with thecterritory of being a public figure! Doesn't mean it's right but it happens, n max should have been careful! Afterall they didn't film max with his wife!

[racechick]

What so it's not ok for max but it's ok for rock or movie stars? This shot goes with thecterritory of being a public figure! Doesn't mean it's right but it happens, n max should have been careful! Afterall they didn't film max with his wife!

Thats correct. Had they filmed him in his house with his wife it would have been an intrusion of privacy but he was not in his house with his wife he was in a whoehouse with whores dressed as Nazzis(However he tries to wriggle out of that part)

[racechick]

Im not in a position of power. Nobody would be interested in my umpalumpa life. Mr. Mosely is in a position of power and his umpalumpa life has implications on his integrity, honesty and ability to do his job. He was also most certainly not with his wife or in his house. Surely it is in the interests of the people who have to deal with him to know what they are dealing with? Remember the Profumo affair??
racechick

Profuma Affair is a political affair, he was a Secretary of War for the United Kingdom, a highly respected GOVERMENT official in the Macmillen government. Max Mosley is head of the FIA, a governing body that governs itself for MOTORSPORTS. Profuma is a public servant, Max works for a private company. Max is protected by the privacy law because he is a private citizen, it is in no one's interest (as ruled by the judge) to invade his privacy.

Surely it is in the interests of the people who have to deal with him to know what they are dealing with? [/quote
Yes you are correct, that's why he had a closed door meeting with the FIA to answer for his actions. Just because we watch F1 doesn't give us the right to know his private life, just because we eat at McDonald's doesn't give us the right to know what the CEO does in his bed, just because we use Microsoft doesn't give us a right to know what Bill Gate does in bed. The point is, if this was a "freedom of speech" case, the tabliod would have won.

Ah but therin lies the problem. There has been no government deabte on where the line is drawn between freedom of speech and invasion of privacy. So the law is being formed by a judge ruling on this slimeball. There is now a precedent set.

[bmwpower]

Ah but therin lies the problem. There has been no government deabte on where the line is drawn between freedom of speech and invasion of privacy. So the law is being formed by a judge ruling on this slimeball. There is now a precedent set.

What so it's not ok for max but it's ok for rock or movie stars? This shot goes with thecterritory of being a public figure! Doesn't mean it's right but it happens, n max should have been careful! Afterall they didn't film max with his wife!

The line between freedom of speech and invasion of privacy is simple (if you practice law it's simple). The tabloid can write anything they want wether its true or not and we see it everyday on the newstand. What's different with this case is they videotaped his private act without his written consent, sold his story to the tabloid, the tabloid pubished the story/video without his consent, the tabloid made money and defamed his character (like its hard to do ), Max proved his case in court, the judge based his finding on the the law of the law of the land and facts presented to him, and no there's no conspiracy theory here. As for the Profuma Affair, you are comparing something that happened in 1961 to 2008, the laws are a lot different 47 years later . The Profuma case is NOT even close to the Mosley case, Profuma was a high ranked official during the COLD WAR, had an affair during this time and was considered a national security issue, lied underoath to the HOUSE, the story was made public and the rest is history. Max does something that men around the world does everyday, he had umpalumpa with prostitutes, he had to answer to the people that he works for and the people decided to keep him as head of the FIA. As for celebrities making headlines with their umpalumpa tapes, because of the age of the internet and youtube, the law was rewritten recently. When you film YOURSELF in a compromising position with your knowledge, the law says you take liablity into your own hands including consenting on how the tape show be displayed by one or both (or more) parties involved, hence the case of Paris Hilton, Collen Farrell, Kim Kardashin, Pamela Anderson, etc.. they filmed their own umpalumpa act, they paid the price, but you have to take celebritie cases with a grain of salt, they will do almost anything to be the headline. Max didn't consent to anything that's why he won the case and it was judged fairly, you can look at it as the slimball won, I look at it as the law was written to protect its citizens and it worked.

Max is a high p[rofile public person no matter which way you look at it! He is president of a world wide Federation that not only deals with Motorsports but also road automobile clubs! A person who represents such a vast group of orginzations and sporting bodies as its head and lead person should not put him/herself in oppertunities of this kind of affair happening! like the NOTW editor said over 40 years of this going on he put alot of trust in the whores he was screwing around on!

Max cant seem to see that he himself is in the wrong here. firstly for actively cheating on his wife secondly once the affair went public he put himself ahead of his position!

Max is nothing but a selfish dirty disrespectul old man and he is a great figure of how not to behave for any respectful bloke!

Never said he wasn't a high profile person, but he works for a non-profit organization that deals with sports and car shows. He was summoned by his organization to answer for his actions and they decided that his private life has no interference with his business life. When the story broke, all the manufacturers on the grid came out with the company's line "disgusting, morally wrong, sad, embarrassing, unfit, blah blah blah" yet not a single manufacturer tried to force him out either by vote or court and why?? because they have smart lawyers that tells them its a privacy case and anything else will not hold up in court.

Max is a public figure but that doesn't mean that we have a right to intrude in his sick private life. He should resign because he will not be able to perform the job as FIA president. Middle eastern countries will not want him at any public meetings and that goes for the Americans and Germans. He has no respect left to lecture anyone on any issue and especially on moral ones. However if he is true to his word he will resign next year but somehow i doubt it

, people are forgetting this is a privacy case not a MORAL CASE. Max won doesn't mean what he did was right but that's between him, his wife, and his employer. I have no doubt that he made a deal with the FIA, they couldn't force him out but because the damage and embarrasement that it caused, both side agreed to give him only one year and he will resign after that.

[racechick]

Well im no law expert, you obviously have the upper hand there. I just remember reading something in the Times that if he wins its, rules of law in at the back door, as it hasnt been debated and decided in governmet. Things went part that way with the cases you mentioned but this case goes further.

I know he works for a non profit making organisation but that is somewhat of a misnomer given the huge profit his corrupt actions made last year against McLaren. Also, he is at liberty to use that profit to bribre developing nations to vote for him behind closed doors. The very fact that so much of his actions are 'behind closed doors' makes it more important that the public understand what sort of a person is representing motorsporting interests. I did not just mean the FIA when I said people need to know what they're dealing with, I meant the manufacturers, the dignitaries around the world, the fans. He has shown he has no integrity,he lies, he cheats and he has brought the sport into disrepute, yet he stands judgement on people over these issues and these people have a right to know.

[McLaren Fan]

From Planet F1:

Renewed calls for Mosley to step down
Friday 25th July 2008

Max Mosley may have emerged victorious from his day in court, but that has not prevented renewed calls for him to resign as head of the FIA.

Mosley was awarded a record £60,000 compensation after winning his privacy action against the News of the World, which had accused the 68-year-old son of 1930s Fascist leader Sir Oswald Mosley of taking part in a "sick orgy" with five prostitutes.

It was Mosley's second triumph in the space of 52 days as he also won a vote of confidence on June 3 to remain in office, claiming 61% of a secret ballot that took place at the FIA's headquarters in Paris.

Mosley was accused of "playing hardball" on that occasion as 103 members of the 169 who voted at the hearing did so in favour of him continuing as president.

Thursday's success in the High Court will almost certainly serve only to steel his resolve to see through his mandate to October 2009.

But there are appreciably those critics who feel Mosley should now call it a day after finally vindicating himself.

Three-times former Formula One World Champion Sir Jackie Stewart, a staunch Mosley critic, said: "Max should now step down and cut out of it totally.

"His stewardship of the FIA simply cannot be undertaken in its fullest form because of what has occurred. That's straightforward.

"But the biggest downside is the FIA themselves have come out of this very badly. The fact he does not resign puts a shadow over the FIA.

"They should have more knowledge of life than to allow this to continue, and that is what is showing up negatively against them.

"But it is understandable he survived because of the way he runs the FIA."

Even pleas from Formula One supremo Bernie Ecclestone fell on deaf ears as Mosley stood his ground.

"That just shows you what is wrong with the FIA," added Stewart.

"No other organisation in the world would put up with that, but he is so powerful within the FIA.

"Very high standing people, like race team owners, team principals, team managers and drivers are frightened to speak out. That's wrong isn't it?

"That's the negativity within the FIA because they should be able to put their own house in order, but nobody is prepared to stand up.

"That's a bad sign - the bully factor."

Stewart claims confidence within the commercial side of the sport is not high due to Mosley's continued presence, and at a time when the economics of the world are far from healthy.

"Formula One is the world's largest capital investment sport," said Stewart.

"In Monaco, chairman and CEOs who traditionally attend did not appear because Max announced he would be there.

"There were others who had people working for them who made sure they would not be confronted or photographed shaking hands with Max Mosley.

"That's no way for the sport to behave.

"The FIA needs to be run by full-time, fully-paid executives, and completely restructured to provide correct corporate governance that is totally transparent."

Former Minardi team principal Paul Stoddart also feels Formula One is now "without credibility" while Mosley remains in office.

Even Stirling Moss, who concedes to liking Mosley and appreciates what he has achieved for motoring around the world, not just F1, does not think his position is tenable.

"I can understand how people feel, and therefore he cannot hold the stature he did before," Moss told the BBC.

"With a number of countries behind him, that must at least be quite gratifying to him, that he has the right to continue.

"But I think he would probably feel a bit untenable, and I would have thought this has hurt him tremendously."

[bud]

The prostitute who sparked the Max Mosley umpalumpa scandal has gone public - again! - this time claiming that there was never talk of a Nazi theme to the five-hour S&M session that has dominated motorsport since the story first broke in the News of the World on March 30.

In an interview with Sky News - like the News of the World, part of Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation - her face pixelated, the young, married, mother of two, says she is deeply sorry for the damage she has done.

While admitting that she did approach the News of the World with her story in return for money, she claims that in addition to not realising the importance of the story much of what appeared in the tabloid in the April 6 issue - when she talked of the Nazi theme to the orgy - was written by a third party, and that she was "put under massive pressure" to put her name to it.

In the interview, despite the comments previously attributed to her in the News of the World, and therefore the basis of the newspaper's defence, Woman E claims that there was never any talk of a Nazi theme to the orgy.

"I know for a fact, that it was spoken about, that Max actually found it quite a turn-on to speak in German," she says. "He liked the German language. It was prison uniforms because we were doing a German prison scene. But it wasn't Nazi."

Referring to how the News of the World sting came about, she continues: "I didn't decide to go to the News of the World because of what he (Mosley) was asking me to do - I'm used to stuff like that. It was just an opportunity.

"I spoke to my husband," she continues, referring to the MI5 Intelligence Officer who has since been forced to resign. "It was going to be more of a joke situation than anything. I didn't know how big it was going to be. And I certainly didn't know how big the response would be over Max Mosley and the importance of him.

"I feel really sorry for Mrs Mosley and her family," she continues. "It's devastating for her. She didn't ask for this and I'm very sorry that it came out as it did. I don't think enough sorries could make up for this.

"I do feel responsible," she adds, although she claims she was always confident that Mosley would win his case. "I'm quite happy with the outcome of it," she says, "I think he was hard-done by as was everyone else that was involved."

Referring to the News of the World team behind the story, she continues: "I constantly told them that I didn't want to put my name to that. I would never have said it was Nazi - I would never have said he was a liar. There was lots in that second (April 6) article that didn't come from me.

"I signed the article," she admits, "but I was put under massive pressure as I was told I would be put on the front cover and basically they would do a story on me anyway."

"I can't take back what's happened," she sniffs. "I can only apologise for what's happened. But it won't take back all the damage."

Asked what advice she would give to others considering running to the tabloids with their kiss and tell stories, she adds: "If anyone wants to speak to me about it I would sit there and tell them that no money is worth this sort of trouble and anguish which it's caused for everybody."

All very well, and all very noble of this woman coming forward. However, the fact is that it's a little bit late to be saying sorry.

Ignoring the ethics that allow a married woman, a mother of two, to follow such a profession - and this is no poor uneducated trash needing to work the mean streets for her next fix of heroin - there is the fact that she broken a code of confidentiality and for that she will rightly be shunned by all.

It is all very well sobbing in front of the cameras now, attempting to make out that she too was a victim of a joke that got out of hand, the fact is that this is a woman, who, in league with others, attempted to exploit a situation for a handful of silver. She has let down everyone involved in this wretched saga.

The fact that Mosley has now instigated libel proceedings against at least two newspapers means that this story will continue to keep our sport in the headlines for all the wrong reasons for some time to come.