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[bmwpower]

Bud wrote:

F1racer if you read my post you would now be aware that you are ignorant and it appears quite stupid!

Bud, I expect better from you since you have been on this forum longer and this is a discussion forum, so now that we don't see the world through your eyes, that make us ignorant and stupid?? You my friend have become nothing more then a forum diva and I nominate you for that

Bud wrote:

what we saw with Lewis and Heikki has been seen many a time since team orders were banned. team mates on different strategies leading to speed differentials with one getting out of the way not to hinder the other.
this is not the classis case of team orders where one guy had a chance at a win but was told to pull aside for his team mate.
If you cant see the difference between the two scenarios then thats your own ignorance thats the problem here

Once again, guessed we are a bunch if ignorant people. But back to the point, Ferrari have used different tactics during the Micheal's era with Massa and Ruben, while I don't agreed with a couple of times with what they did, they did it to move one driver in front of another. Micheal was brilliant in Qualyfying beating both Massa and Ruben so he gets the upper hand in choosen the race strategy. During this era, Massa and Ruben never threatened for the Championship so Ferrari would use some smoke screen moves to help move Micheal back in front to help the team win. Some of the arguments is that Heikki was slow and never had a chance to win the race so he had "common sense" to move over to help LH win because its important for the team to lead the Championship. Both teams used different tactics to move one leading drivers over another, so why is Ferrari being branded evil while McLaren being brilliant??

[bud]

Bud, I expect better from you since you have been on this forum longer and this is a discussion forum, so now that we don't see the world through your eyes, that make us ignorant and stupid?? You my friend have become nothing more then a forum diva and I nominate you for that

i expect better than you to call someone who has been on the forum so long a diva bla bla bla wank wank wank ahhh mate you can nominate me for whatever turns you on the most


BMW power where is all this arse talk from you when drivers move out of the way of team mates on different strategies in the early stages of the race? do you have a problem with those GUTLESS drivers aswell or is it only when McLaren does it?

[texasmr2]

Bud wrote:

F1racer if you read my post you would now be aware that you are ignorant and it appears quite stupid!

Bud, I expect better from you since you have been on this forum longer and this is a discussion forum, so now that we don't see the world through your eyes, that make us ignorant and stupid?? You my friend have become nothing more then a forum diva and I nominate you for that

No poo!! bud since you know so much why are you not working for McLaren? Frankly my friend, and I know you will say we are not friend's because you will be on the defensive, but simply your arrogance has once again led me to initiate a defensive against you. Why oh why is everyone else wrong when their opinion contradict's your's? I wish you would just let us, present and future member's, know what kind of mood your in so we can all decide how to respond to you or if it's even worth the hassle.

bud I have never doubted your passion or knowledge about F1 but quite frankly sometime's you go alittle overboard. You see no wrong in the same team tactic's when McLaren perform's them and WIN but god forbid Ferrari does the EXACT same thing, place them one the crucifix and may God have mercy on their sole.

Your sounding like the proverbial

[bmwpower]

Bud wrote:

i expect better than you to call someone who has been on the forum so long a diva bla bla bla wank wank wank ahhh mate you can nominate me for whatever turns you on the most

Bud, what are you?? 4? Being on this forum longer then most I don't expect you to be wiser but at least more mature. This is what I expect from a "newbie" not you Bud.

Bud wrote:

BMW power where is all this arse talk from you when drivers move out of the way of team mates on different strategies in the early stages of the race? do you have a problem with those GUTLESS drivers aswell or is it only when McLaren does it?

I may have missed something during the race but what driver moved out of the way for his teamate during the early stages of the race?? And if they did I wouldn't have a problem but if you do it on the final leg where you may have chance to finish in the top 4 then yes. And no I don't have a problem with what Mclaren did because its not different with what Ferrari did or whoever else, the problem I have is that some of you argued that Heikki did it for the good of the team, which is true so why can't that also be said about Ferrari?? And yes, Heikki's pulling to the side of the hairpin is considered gutless to me, it admits defeat mentally.

[bud]

Tex is what Heikki did the EXACT SAME THING as what happened in Austria 02?
its not my fault you cant see the difference.....
and btw your whinging about me is the broken record here you think youre going to change me with think this is the 5th time youve had a go at me this way? think again but keep playing this song if it makes you feel better

[scotty]

Haahaha, McLaren and Ferrari fans are just as bad as each other, this thread is great! I love how the supporters TRY and justify/defend their team's actions!

[bud]

I may have missed something during the race but what driver moved out of the way for his teamate during the early stages of the race?? And if they did I wouldn't have a problem but if you do it on the final leg where you may have chance to finish in the top 4 then yes. And no I don't have a problem with what Mclaren did because its not different with what Ferrari did or whoever else, the problem I have is that some of you argued that Heikki did it for the good of the team, which is true so why can't that also be said about Ferrari?? And yes, Heikki's pulling to the side of the hairpin is considered gutless to me, it admits defeat mentally.

im talking about any race! it has happened many a time in the past few years where a driver moves aside for his team mate on a different strategy!

and its f***ing hilarious you have no issue with that for they are racing arent they? by letting them go on their merry way wont it come back to bite them in the arse later in the race where you consider to be more important - the final leg of the race!?? haha mate youre full of it!!

gutless was Piquet gutless?? he admitted there was no need to hold off Hamilton so was he gutless by admitting defeat?
again i think youre full of s*** with this gutless talk dude mate cobber


classic case of team orders right here ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlPrj9a88ME

Rubens lapping faster or equal to Schumacher but still being told to let Michael by, this is NOT the same scenario as what just happened with Heikki and Lewis

[texasmr2]

Tex is what Heikki did the EXACT SAME THING as what happened in Austria 02?

No matter what my answer is I will still be deemed as an aloof turd by you.

its not my fault you cant see the difference.....

Did I not mention earlier that we can agree to disagree?

and btw your whinging about me is the broken record here you think youre going to change me with think this is the 5th time youve had a go at me this way? think again but keep playing this song if it makes you feel better

Not taking a personal whing at you bud and I am by no mean's trying to change you, if I did not have you to argue with I would be bored . Hmm let's see the fifth time I have had a 'go at you' compared to the hundred's of time's you have blatantly bashed other member's AND resorted to name calling? Check your stat's mate because your on the loosing end of that battle .

[F1racer]

This has all been explained before. If you can't see the difference the problem is with you, not McLaren, not bud, or I.

Really, tell my why "McLaren, bud, or you" have more credibility that the rest of us.

Please I am intrigued.

MF get off your F***ken high horse mate.
But what else can you expect from a McLaren lamb, it just filters down from the top down.

McLaren = Moral crusaders of the world.

its time you got off your high horse mate


this F1racer and anyone else who cant UNDERSTAND SIMPLE PHYSICS of RACING
Heikki did not slow down he was LAPPING SLOWER he was not LAPPING FASTER than Lewis !!!! totally different from being told to pull over when he is lapping equal or faster to his team mate. Lewis showed with his speed by passing Massa and Piquet that he was going to pass Heikki if he put up a fight or made it easy !

and all these Ferrari lambs talking sneaky team orders or what ever else you got coming out your arse why not go download Fuji 07 and see Massa make a miraculous pitstop in the closing stages of the race giving track position to Kimi... nothing wrong with that really it won Kimi the title

Do you have any idea how your posts look to the rest of us, any idea at all? Your childish rants and over use of the smiley icons notwithstanding...the point remains pretty simple - Mclaren regularily claims that thier drivers are "free to race" and there is no number 1. Midway through the season, Hiekki has 28 points and is not even close to being out of the championship race...ifsofacto, we should have seen them dice for p3, yes?

Please explain to us how the "physics of racing" has anything to do with Mclaren claiming thier drivers are racing each other on equal terms, and then blatently having one of thier so called equal status drivers pull over for the other "equal" driver, for positon, for WDC points...that is the point here - not that Mclaren uses team orders, that they claim they do not and they claim thier drivers have equal status...

The bottom line is that Ron Dennis wanted Lewis to win the race, so he comprimised his ideal that his drivers can race eachother, and told Hiekki NOT to race Lewis - therefore Mclaren is now full of . Much like you are in this thread.

[bud]

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you liking these icons buddy??

[texasmr2]

Dang bud it's only a difference of opinion get a grip ok?

[bud]

go look up lap times and come back and call me names is edited for content? Im better im American edited for content?

profanities yeah edit that s*** but anyway F1 racer like i said go look up physics of racing i have a copy if you want it
lesson A. guy who is lapping faster than you is more than likely going to pass you

see Heikki could not match Lewis pace so why hold up your team mate? it is in no way the same as the above video i posted where Rubens was coming second lapping equal to Michael but was still asked to move aside!

its black and white i do not understand how anyone can fail to see the difference

[darwin dali]

go look up lap times and come back and call me names is edited for content? Im better im American edited for content?

profanities yeah edit that s*** but anyway F1 racer like i said go look up physics of racing i have a copy if you want it
lesson A. guy who is lapping faster than you is more than likely going to pass you

see Heikki could not match Lewis pace so why hold up your team mate? it is in no way the same as the above video i posted where Rubens was coming second lapping equal to Michael but was still asked to move aside!

its black and white i do not understand how anyone can fail to see the difference

Now see? That's much better and gets your point across at least as well

[Mikep99]

This has all been explained before. If you can't see the difference the problem is with you, not McLaren, not bud, or I.

Really, tell my why "McLaren, bud, or you" have more credibility that the rest of us.

Please I am intrigued.

MF get off your F***ken high horse mate.
But what else can you expect from a McLaren lamb, it just filters down from the top down.

McLaren = Moral crusaders of the world.

its time you got off your high horse mate


this F1racer and anyone else who cant UNDERSTAND SIMPLE PHYSICS of RACING
Heikki did not slow down he was LAPPING SLOWER he was not LAPPING FASTER than Lewis !!!! totally different from being told to pull over when he is lapping equal or faster to his team mate. Lewis showed with his speed by passing Massa and Piquet that he was going to pass Heikki if he put up a fight or made it easy !

and all these Ferrari lambs talking sneaky team orders or what ever else you got coming out your arse why not go download Fuji 07 and see Massa make a miraculous pitstop in the closing stages of the race giving track position to Kimi... nothing wrong with that really it won Kimi the title

Bud, you and your mates live in a fantacy world where you worship the Holy McLaren MYTH GOD

Bow to your Gods BUD, there are three of them








We all are not as stupid and gullible as you think we are mate.

[bud]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlPrj9a88ME

no Mike you live in the fantasy world im not going to repeat myself over again. its like MF said your problem if you are too thick to see whats going on....

are you still caught up in the hysteria popes visit to your city or something??? youre not thinking straight